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The nrl and fox could always buy their own upgrade for nrl only grounds like Brookvale or Cronulla.

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It’s typical of infrastructure spending in NSW:

1) Government needs to spend money or start project before term ends otherwise the opposition will either cut the project or change plans

2) Nothing is certain until the money has been committed and the first shovel has hit the ground.

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I wonder how long that AFL oval will last in practice.

Depending on the facilities and how the grandstands end up with the football field, it could be a place for npl and wleague games.

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2 minutes ago, mack said:

I wonder how long that AFL oval will last in practice.

Depending on the facilities and how the grandstands end up with the football field, it could be a place for npl and wleague games.

If the AFL are part funding this redevelopment (and it wouldn't surprise me if they were), then I'd expect it to stay for quite a while.

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3 minutes ago, mack said:

Even if it stays I doubt anyone will use it.

That's a given, but the AFL still get their way as it is probably one less Rugby League/Union field that would be more in demand.

They are ruthless and determined to rob western Sydney of playing fields for more in demand sports.

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That is one of the dumbest locations I've ever seen used for a stadium.

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They should just buy a huge block of land at Menai, build the stadium, training facility, club offices & a social club in the one place.

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1 hour ago, mack said:

They should just buy a huge block of land at Menai, build the stadium, training facility, club offices & a social club in the one place.

Whats the closest Train station to Menai?

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Its good to see that they have identified the ideal location for their stadium proposal.  (Its the same site I identified :) )  Just a relatively short walk from Sutherland Station and on the main railway line.  Doesn't interfere with the parks just to the east which are scarce as hen's teeth in the shire.

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1 hour ago, SBW said:

Whats the closest Train station to Menai?

Meh. Get enough room, build a giant parking lot and let people drive. The idea they'll even need a 30k stadium is baseless.

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On 9/29/2017 at 1:44 PM, Wanderboy said:

Why in the **** are they spending money on an AFL field in those plans?

Bribed again?

Thats an example of AFL buying out councils

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I wish I'd said that.

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23 hours ago, SBW said:

Thats an example of AFL buying out councils

You gotta admit AFL is great a long-term strategy and discipline.  They know how to play that game and make things happen.  If only the FFA was anywhere near as smart.

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49 minutes ago, wengerboy said:

You gotta admit AFL is great a long-term strategy and discipline.  They know how to play that game and make things happen.  If only the FFA was anywhere near as smart.

The FFA simply doesn't have the money or political power to convince governments or councils the way the AFL does. But then the AFL has been in this position for the last 20 or so years. They even convinced the government to keep the Olympic Stadium oval shaped post Olympics. Paid money for it to be like that. They had an ideology that AFL would eventually take over.

But slowly things are changing. Swans used to get 70k at ANZ. They will never play there again. Their home is the SCG. GWS will never be fit for the stadium either. That is slowly getting through to the AFL. They gave it their all, but it isn't working. Even with success. Mike Fitzpatrick (AFL chairman) is no longer part owner of ANZ Stadium. Now in hands of NSW government. Just a matter of time when stadium gets rectangularised. You would think with enough pressure (mostly from NRL) it will eventually happen.

Only obstacle is SCGT and sports minister at the moment. But the AFL really don't have much of a leg to stand on when you look at the current situation.

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rofl I can't believe a code that

has as much standing in New South Wales as the nbl,  have so much influence  I seriously think now , we have got to strike while the iron is hot hopefully bring in a world class football manager 

Get football people back into our beautiful there are a lot more football people then any other code in this region but the sad reality is they only want to support a champion as seen with visits from  arsenal Liverpool man united ect 

so we disposed of a dictator, so it's up to everyone involved with lederer get in the mans ear get a world class manager not a local to build on popovics legacy  not some local hick for god sakes 

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9 hours ago, beatsurrender said:

Just looked at the "writer" it f..ing Bossi. 

Needed a Bossi alert. 

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3 hours ago, Paul01 said:

Just looked at the "writer" it f..ing Bossi. 

Needed a Bossi alert. 

Unfortunately he's the only football journo left at the Rugby Union leaning SMH.

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19 hours ago, beatsurrender said:

Unfortunately he's the only football journo left at the Rugby Union leaning SMH.

That's debatable. He the only Sydney FC reporter more like.

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NRL and FFA lobbying the state government.....

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/codes-join-forces-to-fight-for-anz-stadium-upgrade/news-story/9126fd6029d7e6b4bb686a0c873787c2

Codes join forces to fight for ANZ Stadium upgrade

Brent Read

Rugby league and soccer have joined forces to heap more pressure on the NSW government to honour their commitment to turn ANZ Stadium into a world-class rectangular venue.

The Weekend Australian has obtained a letter sent to NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian less than two weeks ago urging her government to honour a commitment to ANZ Stadium and calling for action to dispel inaccuracies that could jeopardise the project.

The letter was signed by NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg as well as his FFA counterpart David Gallop. It was also signed by the heads of NRL clubs Canterbury, South Sydney, Parramatta, St George ­Illawarra and Wests Tigers, as well as the A-League’s Western Sydney Wanderers.

The letter says the codes want construction of ANZ Stadium to begin by March 2019, which would allow completion prior to 2023. That would allow it to be considered as a venue for the 2023 women’s soccer World Cup if Australia’s hosting bid is successful.

The letter says the codes’ commitments to supply content to the venues are contingent on the construction of ANZ Stadium starting by the agreed date.

“We write today to express our collective support for the NSW Government’s promise to deliver a new 30,000 seat stadium at Parramatta; rebuild ANZ Stadium so that it becomes the best rectangular stadium in the country with all 70,000+ seats closer to the field; and refurbish Allianz Stadium,” the codes say.

“When the $1.6 billion stadia funding allocation was announced in April 2016, the two dominant sporting code administrations in western Sydney, the NRL (and) FFA, were unanimous in their … support for a major redevelopment of ANZ Stadium into a rectangular configuration — an endorsement matched by an unambiguous decision by the NSW Cabinet to prioritise this project.

“This commitment, which included the NRL Centres of Excellence Fund and the long-term content agreements with the NRL and FFA, still has our full support as being in the very best interests of … the people of NSW.

“The NRL’s and FFA’s content commitments are based on the understanding that the proposed investment in ANZ would see construction commence by March 2019 on the best rectangular stadium in the country with every seat closer to the action.

“This timetable would allow for construction to be complete prior to 2023, allowing the venue to be considered as a potential host for a FIFA Women’s World Cup final if FFA’s bid is successful.”

More than a year after announcing it would devote $1.6bn to Sydney stadiums, the NSW government is yet to confirm where and when that money will be spent. The issue has been delayed by argy-bargy between Allianz and ANZ stadiums.

The NRL has been campaigning to have ANZ Stadium made a priority: Greenberg personally met Berejiklian recently. There is speculation the matter could go to cabinet next week, indicating a ­decision could be close. It is understood there are three options for ANZ Stadium, the most likely resulting in the venue being knocked down and rebuilt.

That would mean the stadium would be out of action for up to three years, forcing the NRL to take grand finals on the road. Queensland and Victoria want to host the NRL decider.

In the letter, also signed by business leaders in western Sydney, the codes and clubs promise to offer their support and that of their members to ensure a positive outcome for the region.

“We ask that you stay steadfast in the delivery of these projects under way and those in the pipeline, and act quickly and decisively to dispel inaccuracies that could otherwise jeopardise these projects, the sporting content on display and the economic and community benefits they will deliver,” it says. “The state’s major sporting codes … are excited by the prospect of having what could be one of the world’s best rectangular stadia, in western Sydney.

“This includes more than 100,000 members across five NRL teams alone (the Bulldogs, Rabbitohs, Eels, Tigers and Dragons) and given the growth the code has achieved over the past five years, planning, building, and improving the customer experience needs to remain a top priority.

“The same can be said for the NSW Rugby League, the Socceroos and Western Sydney Wanderers, who also use the stadium.”

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The issue has been delayed by argy-bargy between Allianz and ANZ stadiums.

That should probably say "the issue has been delayed by argy-bargy between Alan Jones, Stuart Ayres & everyone else in Sydney.

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15 minutes ago, mack said:

 

 

That should probably say "the issue has been delayed by argy-bargy between Alan Jones, Stuart Ayres & everyone else in Sydney.

Yep, this is the only reason why the state government appear to be wavering.

They know that Alan Jones can single handedly bring them down.

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On 9/30/2017 at 10:54 PM, marron said:

Cracking away day.

Tram museum, and then, er, the game, I guess.

that'd be mad. remember those days in parra where you were late to the game cos beers or food. like that, but stuck in the national park waiting for the tram to head back.

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Our Parramatta stadium won't be big enough for grand finals, it is vital ANZ win this fight so we have a good stadium to play those finals in.  This is a national stadium coming against regional rich clubs.  Allianz knows it will lose a lot of events to the new Parramatta stadium.

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United front on Allianz Stadium redevelopment

Senior sports writer Sydney 

@brentread_7

The clubs and codes who use Allianz Stadium have continued the lobbying of the state government by drafting a letter urging NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian to knock down and rebuild the venue with a minimum capacity of 35,000.

As the state government edges towards making a decision on where to direct the $1.6 billion it has earmarked for Sydney stadiums, the Alliance of Moore Park Sports is ready to re-enter the debate by outlining its vision for the future.

It is understood the state government could make a decision on its stadium plans as early as next week, heightening the sense of urgency and edginess within the codes and clubs over Allianz and ANZ Stadiums.

The letter drafted by AMPS suggests that the codes support two world-class venues in the Moore Park precinct. One would be the SCG once all of its stands have been upgraded.

The other would involve a new venue where Allianz Stadium currently stands. The letter to Berejiklian discusses a minimum capacity of 35,000, although it is understood that some of the codes would like the ground to hold significantly more than that — current capacity is in excess of 45,000.

The letter also discusses putting a roof on Allianz Stadium that at the very least protects the spectators. Crucially, the letter does not address timing.

While the NRL have made it clear their preference would be to see work started on a redevelopment of ANZ Stadium as a priority — March 2019 was discussed in a letter addressed to the Premier earlier this month — it is understood rugby union’s desire is to make Allianz Stadium the priority.

As of last night, the letter was still in draft form and yet to be signed by all the members of AMPS.

The body is made up of the NRL, the Sydney Roosters, Australian Rugby Union, the NSW Waratahs, Cricket NSW, Sydney FC, the NSW/ACT AFL and the Sydney Swans.

The stadium war has entered a crucial period amid speculation NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres is on the verge of taking a recommendation to cabinet.

Much is at stake given the NRL and Football Federation Australia have pledged their future to NSW provided the state government meets their commitment to turn ANZ Stadium into a world-class rectangular venue. The NRL has promised to play grand finals in Sydney for 20 years from the completion of ANZ Stadium, a deal that would be placed in jeopardy if the government failed to meet their commitment to redevelop the ground.

Their hope is that Allianz Stadium will also be given a significant overhaul, making it a more palatable venue for clubs and spectators. The ground is in dire need of work given a recent building assessment claimed the venue was a potential deathtrap.

While those claims were dismissed by some as a powerplay to ensure the ground gets its fair share of government funds, there is no denying the venue is in need of redevelopment. The issue for the state government is that ANZ Stadium is also in desperate need of an overhaul and there are only limited funds to be spent.

It is understood the state government has been given three options for ANZ Stadium but the preferred option for everyone involved is to have the stadium knocked down and rebuilt to make it one of the best venues in the southern hemisphere. The alternatives would involve bringing in the existing stands, although that is regarded as a piecemeal approach.

As well as the stadiums issue, NRL clubs are also on edge over the distribution of funds for centres of excellence. Ayres is buying more time to find additional money to satisfy aggrieved clubs Manly and Wests Tigers.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/united-front-on-allianz-stadium-redevelopment/news-story/701c1905f3fc28020577150c1f29730a

Updating the stadium redevelopment situation.The SCG trust and the teams that play out of Moore Park have been lobbying the State Government to give Allianz stadium priority ahead of ANZ stadium, through a series of letters to the Premier.

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NRL breaks ranks to support ANZ over Allianz Stadium

BRENT READ Senior sports writer

The NRL has broken ranks with its fellow Sydney Moore Park inhabitants only days from a cabinet meeting that is expected to determine whether the NSW government makes Allianz Stadium or ANZ Stadium their priority for redevelopment.

The Australian last week revealed a letter had been drafted on behalf of the Alliance of Moore Park Sports (AMPS) urging NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian to knock down and rebuild Allianz Stadium at Moore Park with a minimum capacity of 35,000.

However, it is understood that the letter was subsequently revised to also request that Allianz Stadium be made the priority for development once the freshly-minted Parramatta Stadium is complete in early-2019.

The NRL has consistently requested that ANZ Stadium at Sydney Olympic Park be next in line and as such, elected not to offer their support to the letter before it was sent to Berejiklian.

AMPS includes all codes and clubs who use Allianz Stadium and the SCG — the Sydney Roosters, Cricket NSW, Sydney FC, the Sydney Swans, the NSW Waratahs, AFL NSW/ACT and the Australian Rugby Union. It is understood all the Allianz Stadium clubs including the Roosters — as well as the ARU — signed the letter.

In its original draft, the letter made no mention of timing and merely asked that Allianz Stadium be knocked down and rebuilt. However, the NRL was left with little choice but to withdraw their support when it was altered to ask that Allianz Stadium be given preference over ANZ Stadium once the time comes to undertake the next stage of the state government’s stadiums strategy,

The state government pledged $1.6 billion to the redevelopment of Sydney stadiums more than a year ago but while Parramatta Stadium has progressed as planned, the futures of Allianz and ANZ Stadiums have become bogged down by lobbying behind the scenes over which of the city’s two major venues should receive the lion’s share of money.

The powerful SCG Trust have been pushing for priority for Allianz Stadium, a decision that would threaten agreements that have already been struck with the NRL over future content.

The NRL, which supplies the vast majority of content to Sydney stadiums, has outlined their position to the NSW government on a number of occasions in recent weeks and months.

Chief executive Todd Greenberg met personally with Berejiklian while he and his Football Federation Australia counterpart David Gallop wrote a letter to the premier late last month urging the state government to honour their commitment to ANZ Stadium.

That letter made it clear that any prior agreements — the NRL has pledged to play grand finals at ANZ Stadium for 20 years after the redevelopment is complete — would be placed in jeopardy if the NSW government changed its original course.

The letter was also signed by the heads of Canterbury, South Sydney, Parramatta, St George Illawarra and Wests Tigers, as well as the A-League’s Western Sydney Wanderers.

Several of those NRL clubs are also waiting to hear whether they receive their share of the $40 million that the state government put aside for Centres of Excellence.

It is understood NSW sports minister Stuart Ayres delayed an announcement on the distribution of that money because he was trying to raise more funds to ensure all the interested clubs received some money.

It is understood Wests Tigers and Manly were the most in danger of missing out on a share of the $40m.

The most critical issue as far as the NRL is concerned is the timeline and spending on Allianz and ANZ Stadiums. The governing body are desperate to dramatically improve the standard of Sydney stadiums as they look to build crowds for the code. ANZ Stadium is a central part of that plan given the ground hosts Souths and Canterbury as their main tenants, as well as the NRL’s marquee matches such as the grand final and State of Origin.

Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra also use the ground on a part-time basis while Parramatta will move back to their own stadium in 2019.

Ayres will front the media with NSW chairman George Peponis and prospective Blues coach Brad Fittler at Olympic Park tomorrow as they lay the foundation stone for the NSW Rugby League Centre of Excellence.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-breaks-ranks-to-support-anz-over-allianz-stadium/news-story/ebf6411e9eecd4b43ae0b960d329fc73

A second revised letter that pushes the position that Allianz should be given priority and start to be redeveloped before ANZ stadium.

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