10 Man Wanderers Succumb 1-0 To City

Was anyone else annoyed at piss ant Slater's continued efforts at implying Vedran and the club did some dodgy training sessions while he was still contracted with the Smurfs?

 

It obviously happened, but c'mon. You sound like a douche mate.

One thing I can't understand is....

Cornthwaite did one dodgy backpass and got banished for half a season while we have been forced to watch borda **** up week after week after week and there he is on the team sheet again.

I didn't understand it while it was happening and it's even harder to get my head around it now after how well he played last night.

Been thinking about this too. Unless Robbie has been off the pace in training (and he did say he was getting close to a return so possibly he felt that way too), I can only think they like Borda's passing more and think he fits the play out from the back style better.

 

 

Last night Showed how badly we got our foriegn players wrong..

Borda stupid send off (again)

Then down to 10 one nill down which player does the coach take off? Overseas player needs to be the guy you look to in the situation to get you out of it, not the first player you sacrifice (as he has been ineffective)

I think that's a little simplistic. Sotirio and Nichols are going to run all day, and you need that more than ever when you're down to 10.

I know it's simplistic but really what is Jumpei for?

 

His finishing is poor (with goal scoring record to match)

His passing and crossing is poor

He runs fast but apparently not for long

 

If he was the player he should be, he wouldn't be first taken off in that situation. Sotirio is offering more in the same position right now.

Jumpei has not made the contribution we needed from a foreigner ...

 

He'll be useful in acl as the +1 extra we can have over and above the 3, but he's been a huge disappointment

Last night Showed how badly we got our foriegn players wrong..

 

 

Jumpei  - he is the +1 in the "3+1" formula. As soon as a competent superior import winger is found he should be on an ACL contract only. Period. Enough of this nonsense. 

 

Borda, Bruno - the downgrade of the season.

 

Dimas - error prone in comparison with last year, and mainly ineffective in standards.

 

Still no goal scorer in sight.

 

I am hoping that Babalj is healthy enough, and that Scotty Mc has packed his bag an is on the way to the airport. The outlook for the derby is grim.

Jumpei has not made the contribution we needed from a foreigner ...

 

He'll be useful in acl as the +1 extra we can have over and above the 3, but he's been a huge disappointment

I don't see him as an advantage as +1 a local player can do his role better. Even the +1 foriegn player should give you something above your local players.

 

He's been dreadful the last two games

Jumpei has not made the contribution we needed from a foreigner ...

 

He'll be useful in acl as the +1 extra we can have over and above the 3, but he's been a huge disappointment

 

No he hasn't. He's doing what he's been doing for most of his professional career which is very little. He is the football player he is. The question is why we bothered signing him, Borda, and Bruno.

One thing I can't understand is....

Cornthwaite did one dodgy backpass and got banished for half a season while we have been forced to watch borda **** up week after week after week and there he is on the team sheet again.

I didn't understand it while it was happening and it's even harder to get my head around it now after how well he played last night.

I agree Lloydy, it has been implied that he is a horrible player, being that he is second behind Borda. Not sure if he necessarily deserved that assumption. He definitely seemed more up to speed and coherent than Bordas performances

 

 

  

 

 

 

Borda has surely played his last game for WSW, and will be remembered as yet another s***house signing.

 

Aspro was immense, Nice looked good at times but was off his usual standards. Vedran was great.

 

Hamill continues to be a waste of space, Keanu showing great promise. Nichols just looks tired and frustrated.

 

Time's ticking, need a visa striker. Borda needs to be f***ed off ASAP. As in 10 minutes ago.

 

 

Hamill was not a waste of space last night, he did a solid job at RB. People forget that his average performance at the start of the season was at LB when he is not naturally a left-sided player. His most natural position is at CB also, so him managing to get forwards down the right and contribute to attacking play is a positive sign. He also made some very key defensive tackles, especially the block on Fornaroli's shot that would have had us dead and buried.

 

Silver linings

Cornflakes > Borda

Baby Baccus > Neville > hammil

Team with Jumpei > team without Jumpei

 

 

Again, comparing them to Hamill at RB is apples and oranges. K. Baccus showed some good signs but Neville has been one of our most solid defenders for the past year. He can be frustrating at times going forwards but he has improved immensely in that area. Also if not for Vedran, K. Baccus would have gifted City a goal with a horrendous backwards pass in our defensive third.

Well as a straight player comparison, yeah it's apples and oranges. Judging as who is best in the given spot, I think it's a fair judgement. It isn't Hammils fault for being played there, but as a RB I think Baccus Jnr & Neville offer more going forward (important with a narrow midfield). Hammil played alright last night, contributing to the attack a few times in the second half and defending well. Neville is a better player at RB, but I believe Baccus Jnr has more potential given the same exposure to game time.

 

Young players will make mistakes, but as long as they learn and develop they can be accepted. Neville, Aspro & Baccus boys have learnt from mistakes they've made (to various degrees of success). Scott is making little mistakes currently, but he is young and under a lot of unplanned pressure (he should have been a bit-part player except for our failed striker recruitment), so there is fair amount of leeway. Sotirio is frustrating because we see him do similar things each year. The question is whether his development has stagnated due to him reaching his ability ceiling, or whether there are other factors like coaching/coaches or external influences. Not forgetting Jaushua is only 21. Anyway, I'm shooting off on a tangent.

 

Last night Showed how badly we got our foriegn players wrong..

 

 

Jumpei  - he is the +1 in the "3+1" formula. As soon as a competent superior import winger is found he should be on an ACL contract only. Period. Enough of this nonsense. 

 

Borda, Bruno - the downgrade of the season.

 

Dimas - error prone in comparison with last year, and mainly ineffective in standards.

 

Still no goal scorer in sight.

 

I am hoping that Babalj is healthy enough, and that Scotty Mc has packed his bag an is on the way to the airport. The outlook for the derby is grim.

Why do you think this is so?

The problem for Australian teams and the +1 rule is Asian players of the level we are after are overpriced. They can get paid more in their own leagues.

Dimas has made a few noticeable errors this season but another thing last night showed was how much we miss him when he's not there. He controls the middle for us, no one could do that last night.

 

Last year it was an easy job as he had Andreu with him and Alberto playing it out from the back. If we lost those two because we dug in over a few thousand, then that's he issue. Yes I know there is a salary cap, but can't blame that when we have an open marquee spot

 

Last night Showed how badly we got our foriegn players wrong..

 

 

Jumpei  - he is the +1 in the "3+1" formula. As soon as a competent superior import winger is found he should be on an ACL contract only. Period. Enough of this nonsense. 

 

 

If we don't get rid of Borda, we should do exactly that. Look for another foreigner and convert Jumpei's contract now... 

I know it's simplistic but really what is Jumpei for?

 

His finishing is poor (with goal scoring record to match)

His passing and crossing is poor

He runs fast but apparently not for long

 

If he was the player he should be, he wouldn't be first taken off in that situation. Sotirio is offering more in the same position right now.

Not exactly an embarrassment of riches.... negative value vs zilch... and that's probably being overly generous to Sotirio

Braad,

 

Dimas is missing Andreu, has been all season. And he needs to play deeper than last season to provide additional cover for our CBs. He played the odd poor pass in midfield last season. This year it happens close to the box, and it matters more.

The problem for Australian teams and the +1 rule is Asian players of the level we are after are overpriced. They can get paid more in their own leagues. Dimas has made a few noticeable errors this season but another thing last night showed was how much we miss him when he's not there. He controls the middle for us, no one could do that last night.

Last year it was an easy job as he had Andreu with him and Alberto playing it out from the back. If we lost those two because we dug in over a few thousand, then that's he issue. Yes I know there is a salary cap, but can't blame that when we have an open marquee spot

 

That's what I'm thinking. Feeling secure in your position helps you play better. He had that last year, but he must surely know he hasn't got the freedom of knowing Andreu/Alberto/NTS had his back

 

Edit: @FCB yeah seems about right. Wonder if that added with the pressure of captaincy is a positive or negative?

 

 

 

I know it's simplistic but really what is Jumpei for?

His finishing is poor (with goal scoring record to match)

His passing and crossing is poor

He runs fast but apparently not for long

If he was the player he should be, he wouldn't be first taken off in that situation. Sotirio is offering more in the same position right now.

 

Not exactly an embarrassment of riches.... negative value vs zilch... and that's probably being overly generous to Sotirio

To be fair, Sotirio helps the defence. Jumpei is useless. Jumpei constantly lets our full-back be exposed, whereas Sotirio doesn't Edited January 7, 2017 by braad

Did the players go over and acknowledge the fans tonight?

In case this hasn't already been answered - yes they all did and Cornthwaite was the one leading the way and calling for the others to follow

IMO our second half was better than last weeks game vs Perth taking into consideration our lack of a man, our lack of a striker and the absolllllute flogging the players copped in the first half (they had 78% possession)

 

 

Agreed that our second half was much better, I was temporarily heartened by it. But I had to ask myself why we can't seem to find the fighting spirit unless we are under the pump, being put to the sword by the opposition, down to 10 men etc. That's passive/reactive play, and we aint going to win the plate nor the toilet seat playing that way. As my sister said last night, where is this aggressive, fighting spirit in the first half? In the first 10 damn minutes?

 

We have talented individuals, we have potential. But, we aren't going to move up the ladder by chasing our opponents game in-game out. Unless we take hold of the match and dictate the flow of the game, combined with actually converting our shots on goal, we will be 8th this season. 

 

Sounding negative, but I am ever hopeful - if we can get in a striker with bonafides, work on defense - we've got a chance. But unless we work on the team gelling on the pitch, it will all be for nought. 

Dimas has made a few noticeable errors this season but another thing last night showed was how much we miss him when he's not there. He controls the middle for us, no one could do that last night.

 

Last year it was an easy job as he had Andreu with him and Alberto playing it out from the back. If we lost those two because we dug in over a few thousand, then that's he issue. Yes I know there is a salary cap, but can't blame that when we have an open marquee spot

Course you can. We were obviously planning to fill the marquees spots with attackers. That that didn't happen looks bad, but that was obviously the plan. 

 

Also, we have no idea whether those players would have stayed or not, even if we could match their wage demands. Rumours of homesickness. Yeah yeah, they're in Greece or whatever. 1 hr flight compared to a whole day. Point is, we just don't know.

 

All we know is we stuffed up the recruitment. To say it was over a few thousand, or any of the other zillion reasons that people have offered up, is just guesswork.

Edited January 7, 2017 by btron3000

One thing I can't understand is....

Cornthwaite did one dodgy backpass and got banished for half a season while we have been forced to watch borda **** up week after week after week and there he is on the team sheet again.

I didn't understand it while it was happening and it's even harder to get my head around it now after how well he played last night.

To me he wasn't that bad a player, but he did mention at the start of the season after the Adelaide game that he still wasn't fit. He also mentioned that he wanted to develop a combination with one other player playing week in, week out. He will now have the chance. But you have to ask why are we not fit at the start of the season, and why don't we have combinations sorted out? But I agree with ou that it was a harsh punishment for one error. But then Borda and Aspro did take their chance.

 

I'd rather be an FFA play thing that wins games than a team that played amicably but loses.

No.

 

 

Some people seem to prefer 'sing...winning' rather than 'win or lose we will always follow you' 

 

 

Dimas has made a few noticeable errors this season but another thing last night showed was how much we miss him when he's not there. He controls the middle for us, no one could do that last night.

 

Last year it was an easy job as he had Andreu with him and Alberto playing it out from the back. If we lost those two because we dug in over a few thousand, then that's he issue. Yes I know there is a salary cap, but can't blame that when we have an open marquee spot

Course you can. We were obviously planning to fill the marquees spots with attackers. That that didn't happen looks bad, but that was obviously the plan.

 

Also, we have no idea whether those players would have stayed or not, even if we could match their wage demands. Rumours of homesickness. Yeah yeah, they're in Greece or whatever. 1 hr flight compared to a whole day. Point is, we just don't know.

 

All we know is we stuffed up the recruitment. To say it was over a few thousand, or any of the other zillion reasons that people have offered up, is just guesswork.

Hey I agree on the guesswork (to be fair I did or an if) if rumour is to be believed (and it probably isn't) Alberto would have stayed for more money but Andreu wanted back to Europe regardless.

 

However I still hold that we can't blame the salary cap for our problems this year. We haven't used the whole cap and bigger still we haven't used a marquee spot. City, victory and Sydney all have and as a consequence are spending far more than us, and it shows.

 

Also If the plan was to get a foriegn marquee either at start or in January then how are we going to do that with our foriegn spots already filled? With 3 very average players.

 

Hopefully we can get antonis fit and on the park really quickly as he is class above most of what we have.

 

To look at things positively

 

I think Vedran will solve our keeper problems

Cornthwaite did ok when he came on, if we get Neville back next week our back 4 is ok

Dimas is back next week

Week after we get Santalab back

Was anyone else annoyed at piss ant Slater's continued efforts at implying Vedran and the club did some dodgy training sessions while he was still contracted with the Smurfs?

 

It obviously happened, but c'mon. You sound like a douche mate.

 

Didn't listen to much of the Foxtel commentary...had the Wanderers Live radio stream playing. Yes it was behind the TV but even their technical drop outs were better listening than Slater and Speed

 

Did the players go over and acknowledge the fans tonight?

In case this hasn't already been answered - yes they all did and Cornthwaite was the one leading the way and calling for the others to follow

 

I did say elsewhere he's captaincy material !!

I was prepared to cut Jump-High some slack but since a few early games when he seemed a possible he is now not only a poor mans Romeo but a pauper's Romeo. I actually would play Sotirio in his spot from here on in (when we have a striker, otherwise looks like Sotirio is our 'false 9'). Never has the word 'false' been more correctly used in that context BTW.

 

 

From Popa last night:-   (underlined in bold is the stuck record bit)

 

"“There isn’t much more I can ask from the players, when you go down to 10-men away from home, 1-0 down and up until the 90th minute I don’t think Vedran had a save to make,†he said.

“I felt they would crack for the whole second half, we always looked dangerous when we were around the box.

“(Janjetovic) made a very good one at the end. Up until then I felt we would get a chance and get a goal, we had some opportunities there but couldn’t put it away.â€

Edited January 7, 2017 by beatsurrender

I get the impression that there are a few people on here, and even more on Facebook, who have convinced themselves that player x is shyte and therefore have no praise for them even when they play competently.

Borda?

His form at the start of the season was odd, because he has always been someone I thought was really solid. You don't have his resume if you're s***. Last night he was a real positive. If the defence locks up, at least it gives us a chance.

 

^^ referring to Cornthwaite. Borda is poor, end of.

Edited January 7, 2017 by Themumf

 

 

 

Did the players go over and acknowledge the fans tonight?

In case this hasn't already been answered - yes they all did and Cornthwaite was the one leading the way and calling for the others to follow

I did say elsewhere he's captaincy material !!

Interesting. If he could solidify his spot in the 11 I think Cornflakes would be a better choice than Dimas and Nichols.

 

 

 

Did the players go over and acknowledge the fans tonight?

In case this hasn't already been answered - yes they all did and Cornthwaite was the one leading the way and calling for the others to follow

I did say elsewhere he's captaincy material !!

Interesting. If he could solidify his spot in the 11 I think Cornflakes would be a better choice than Dimas and Nichols.

 

I think with some game time under his belt, Cornthwaite could give us the style we miss from Spira - not in the same class, but similar vision and defensive nous.

You're embaressing yourself tragic ...

 

Cornthwaite will being many things to our starting 11, bit vision is not one of them (and please don't ever put Spira and cornthwaite in the same paragraph again).

 

In saying that, as I said in his thread , he is a welcome addition and will do much better than borda

You're embaressing yourself tragic ...

 

Cornthwaite will being many things to our starting 11, bit vision is not one of them (and please don't ever put Spira and cornthwaite in the same paragraph again).

 

In saying that, as I said in his thread , he is a welcome addition and will do much better than borda

Yeah, I think not. When I said vision I was referring to him being able to size up where the ball is headed. Borda is always in the wrong place, but Cornthwaite has the instinct of a good CB.

This talk about Cornflakes could be in his own thread, however in the context of last night's horror show Robbie C showed he must be included in future line ups at the back. I'm not so sure of his Spira-esque capabilities. However as an experienced CB who has played at the highest levels, and is aware of how Asian teams play, he can do far more good for us from now on than Borda. He should be able to guide Aspro and add more leadership to our back four, which frankly is 100% absent since NTS left. with Corny, Aspro in the centre, Clisby on the left and Neville on the right we are looking better than Hamill, Borda, Aspro, Clisby.

 

I think it must be said that Borda's red didn't do as much damage to our cause defensively as perhaps might be expected. Where it hurt us was our ability to come back from that flukey fooking goal. Our 4-4-1 formation had almsot no cut through, though Butter arguably should've scored an equaliser.