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    The Wanderers inability to score reared it's ugly head again as they were kept scoreless despite an early red card to Victory defender Sam Gallagher.

     

     

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    An own goal to Michael Beauchamp and a counter-attack finished off by Archie Thompson consigned the Wanderers to their second straight home defeat.

     

    Tony Popovic left Dino Kresinger in the starting line-up, Shannon Cole was given a start as Popovic shuffled his squad to accommodate the loss of Hersi. The Wanderers started well through D'Apuzzo. Shinji Ono attempted an audacious lob from half-way after spotting Victory keeper Nathan Coe off his line.

     

    The 15th minute set the scene for the match to come. Shinji Ono climbed above the Victory midfield to head a flick-on over the defensive line of Melbourne. Dino Kresinger took advantage of a stumble by Sam Gallagher to take control of the ball. Gallagher dragged down the Wanderers target man and Ben Williams showed the starting debutante a straight red card for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity. The foul occurred just outside the penalty box and the Wanderers were unable to take advantage of the situation from the set piece.

     

    Mark Bridge had the best of the Wanderers early chances when Aaron Mooy dinked a cross to the back post. Bridge ran onto the ball but from the tight but point blank range Nathan Coe was able to tip the ball over the bar. With the Wanderers pressing and creating chances Ange Postecoglu sacrificed starlet Andrew Nabbout to bring on Jonathan Bru to shore up the Victory defense.

     

    On the stroke of half time disaster struck for Western Sydney. Melbourne spread the ball wide to Guilherme Finkler, who took on Shinji Ono, got around him and drove a cross low into the box. Wanderers captain Michael Beauchamp stuck out a boot, deflecting the ball past the stranded Ante Covic and into his own net. The first ever Wanderers own goal and meant the Wanderers went into the break a goal down despite being a man up.

     

    Iacopo La Rocca was substituted for Jason Trifiro, Popovic replacing his holding defensive midfield with Trifiro who has a better range of passing and is better going forward. Cole had the first chance of the 2nd half when he attempted a curling side footed shot from outside the area. He placed the shot well going for the top corner but the ball didn't drop enough and hit the top of the net after going over the bar.

     

     

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    On 60 minutes the Wanderers task became that much harder. Michael Beauchamp, having one of the worst games in his entire career, picked up a pass from Trifiro. With all but Topor-Stanley and Covic behind him the Wanderers Captain dribbled 10 yards into the Victory half before he attempted a pass out to Shannon Cole. The pass was extremely poor, Beauchamp did not spot Marco Rojas drifting infield to make the interception. Rojas blocked the ball to a team-mate, who returned the ball instantly, setting the Kiwi flier into the Wanderers half. Topor-Stanley came across in cover defence. With Archie Thompson looming large on the opposite side of the pitch Topor-Stanley was only able to deflect the pass. It fell kindly to Thompson, Covic had come out for the ball but was beaten to it and Thompson finished through the legs of the keeper to put his side 2-0 up.

     

    Mere minutes later Western Sydney committed heavy numbers up forward again and were almost punished with a third. This time it was Topor-Stanley who made the error and only a poor pass from Thompson to Rojas dulled the attack. At this point the Wanderers attack devolved into the same long shots and aimless crosses from deep areas. Despite moving to a 4-4-2 formation chances were few and far between, a heavy volley by Trifiro flashed wide in the 73rd minute. Mooy, D'Apuzzo, Polenz and Bridge all had similar efforts with no result.

     

    The final action of the game served as a microcosm for Western Sydney's performance on the night. Dino Kresinger escaped from the tight marking of the Victory defence to get on the end of a deep cross. He rose above and won the ball cleanly, only to miss the target completely.

     

    Analysis. Yet again Dino Kresinger hurt the team rather than helping it. This has gone on long enough. Dino needs to be booted out of the squad and sent to the youth team until he figures out how to score. You could say he won the red card, but it was lucky because he not only clipped the Victory player to create the chance, but a fast player would have just sprinted past and gone one on one with the keeper. Dino had only 3 shots, and got none of them on target. The rest of the team were just as poor with their shooting. Non-stop long shots, blasting from distance but failing to work the keeper, 24 shots for only 6 on target is a pitiful amount. We can't keep carrying a target man who can't head the ball on target even on free headers, can't hold the ball up properly, is too slow to make effective runs behind the last line of defence and can't shoot. His end product is not up to A-League level and it is punishing the team. Our midfield is one of the best in the leagues, and we need a striker who can take advantage of that.

     

    My suggestion is get Kubi on. Get him up front and centre. This would stop the pointless long balls and aimless diagonal crosses, and would mean we could start playing to get in behind the other teams. Kubi scored in the recent Youth League fixture against the AIS and perhaps it is time to unleash speed instead of height. Secondly, Popovic and the coaching stuff must delve into the transfer market to find another striker. Thanks to Joint A-League Strategic Committee (JALSC) the club has room to bring in a foreign player.

     

    Defensively the red card to Victory pulled the Wanderers out of their defensive shape. This hurt them for the second goal, a lightning counter started when Beauchamp lost possession deep inside the Victory half. They almost conceded again due to the exact same error by Topor-Stanley. There was no way either central defender would have been pulled that deep with 11 men on the pitch for Victory and I doubt it was part of Popovic's plan. The first goal came from a corner not cleared effectively and caused Shinji Ono to have to try and defend inside the Wanderers penalty box. There were only 2 Victory players up for that attack after the corner was cleared, but none of the 8 Wanderers defenders were in position to defend the resulting cross. Topor-Stanley for example was standing on the penalty box marking no-one.

     

    The team need to improve markedly with their end product and with their defensive concentration. This was not an acceptable loss and we were completely outplayed by a team with less men on the field. There are no excuses and the players will demand better of them self for their next match.

     

    The Wanderers next match is against Wellington at Westpac Stadium on Sunday the 2nd of December at 2:30pm Eastern Daylight Savings Time.


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    Terrible game tonight with nobody showing enough desire compared to last week.Many thing wrong, we missed Hersi and had no wingers and it showed tonight.Kressinger is just useless. I have given him the benefit of the doubt until now. But thats it.

     

    Victory were able to play a very high backline due to his and our other forwards lack of pace. Kubi, Taj and Elrich wuld have been better and after the send off the game was there for us to be aggressive and win it and maybe we saw a side of popa tonight that we wont be happy with?

     

    Is he the attacking minded coach we needed tonight. He took of Cole and Polenze and to be honest both these guys were two of our best!! Yet he left on Kressinger, moved Mooy out of his normal position to allow Triforo in who was terrible.

     

    I just did not get it tonight!!!The sub where Elrich came on for Polenze was bewildering???? a RB for a RB!! wtf???

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    I think as far as the last sub goes, They should've taken Dino off, put bridge up front with Gibbs, and put Elrich on the left wing. I though that would've possibly sparked something

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    I think we have to just forget about this game and move on. No use dwelling on it. I am sure popa will take whatever positives he can from the game and move onto the next week. I am still REALLY HAPPY where we are with this team. Its not easy to start a team from scratch and expect a winning season. So to be where we are right now. Its pretty amazing. No one played well tonight, its so easy to bag players or a team, but we dont know the full circumstances of what goes on out there. Players might be carrying a niggle or there maybe be personal issues or whatever. The fact is its not as easy as people think it is. Its much easier being arm chair coaches saying this should happen or that should happen. From what I have seen from the boys in the team is that they PUT THE EFFORT IN, its always there. They didn't have the best game tonight, but not every week is going to be a stellar week. Unfortunately for us the whole team seemed to have an off night, which is a shame because it was a BIG match against a club we could measure ourselves up against. Just not our night tonight.

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    i will have to watch it again before i can completly judge the performance.

    but guys you got to remember that popa is learning also, and i dount he would have been in the position of his team playing against 10 men for the majority of the match. he will learn from this

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    There have been enough lessons for popa to NOT play Dino though. Seriously affects the teams performance whenever this guy plays. Its clear for all too see.

    Sets a bad tone too for the squad as clearly form and performances arnt eing rewarded. If Gibbs isnt starting next week its a bloody joke.

     

    Otherwise i love how the team is prpgressing and the fluid passing in midfield is working. Its good to watch despite the final third tonight. Just needs the appropiate tweaks and changes upfront.

     

    Poppas subs were horrible tho.

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    We've nearly had a 3rd of the season and he's done jackshit. Anyone with a modicum of pace would've got clean through on goal and/or drawn the red card anyway. Useless. Sack him. Back to the reserves.

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    i honestly wouldnt have minded losing if we actually put a fight up or converted any of our chances we had so many chances and just couldnt take them, at half time i had the feeling that we were not going to score a goal and i guess our team had that same feeling

     

    onto next week though

     

    also as much as i hate Dino, it was troubling to see the RBB booing him when he came up on the big screen before the match, the cove boo their own players, we do not

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    also as much as i hate Dino, it was troubling to see the RBB booing him when he came up on the big screen before the match, the cove boo their own players, we do not

    Agree. Should not happen simply for not being very good.
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    also as much as i hate Dino, it was troubling to see the RBB booing him when he came up on the big screen before the match, the cove boo their own players, we do not

    Agree. Should not happen simply for not being very good.

    thanks it wasnt a massive boo just a small one but it definitely came from around bay 56 and just worrying to hear and wanted to mention something before it got any worse

     

    overall very frustrating result but hopefully we will learn from it and come back stronger next week, also credit to victory they deserved it tonight

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    I think the constant bagging of Dino is a bit unfair, he works alot harder than alot,

    However I understand the frustration in that he is a striker and his job is to score goals and he hasn't delivered.

     

    Think the problem is he was signed as a guy who will hold the ball up for our outside guys like Hersi and bridge, but our game has changed a bit into a more pass and move thing? I dunno

     

    Whichever way you cut it up tho losing to 10 men 2-0 ain't on, however this is probably the 1st performance we haven't been proud of......

     

    Could be worse, could be a smurf.

     

    Next time boys.

     

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    I thought overall the team performed poorly but I'll attempt to provide some analysis of what I took out of the match.

     

    Firstly everybody is going to be talking about Dino after tonight. I thought he looked a useless signing after the first game, but I felt tonight that he played his role quite effectively. At one point in the first half, Dino peeled off to the left to make a run for Ono, and Popa yelled out "Dino, stay in the middle!". He is being instructed to act as the focal pivot in the middle, to carry the ball, and distribute back to the AMC, AML or AMR in the initial 4-2-3-1 (433) we always start with.

     

    My big disappointment tonight was Shannon Cole, to me he proved why at best all he is at most is a versatile player to come off the bench. Almost every attack, he killed by either holding the ball far too long, losing possession with a mistimed pass/cross, or shooting ridiculously when he should have just simply passed. At the 30th minute I was hoping Popa would take Cole off for Gibbs, and change the "433" structure from 4231 to the more attacking 4132. Popa infact realised Cole's inefficiency and went to this move in the 70th odd minute.

     

    Back to Kresinger, so many people were screaming "take him off" for the sake of bagging the man without realising the role he was playing. Furthermore, the main flaw of Popa's tonight wasn't leaving Kresinger on, it was the makeup of the bench. Popa did not have an option to make an attacking change in the event we went behind other than Gibbs, and if it were Gibbs for Kresinger, it would have been like for like. I really like Tarek Elrich as a person, but his cameo proved why Newcastle released him. He just is not up to A-League level anymore, he has a few chances to put in good crosses but I do not recall a successful one. I'm not Haliti's biggest fan, but having him on the bench allows for a more attacking impetus, same with either Kubi or Tahj. Our only attacking move was Gibbs.

     

    Polenz came off because he ran to the bench, asked for a Gatorade and was tired. I couldn't work out why he changed La Rocca for Trifiro at HT. LR didn't do anything noticeably wrong, perhaps the reasoning was to get more pace and endeavour in the centre of the field.

     

    Which brings me to the topic Mooy. Unfortunately Mooy, like a few others, was off tonight. We were dominated in the centre of the field by Bru and Finkler, especially Finkler. Mooy also seemed to be caught out of position for my liking when in transition from attack to defence, I feel that his slow transition culminated in the two counter attacks one of which lead to a goal (I haven't watch the game back yet, just my recollection from the night). Mooy didn't tick, and subsequently the whole team seemed a bit off. Hopefully the AUS callup doesnt get to his head.

     

    NTS resorted to a few useless long balls tonight, and D'appuzzo didn't have the best of times out there.

     

    Ono played reasonably well, apart from the fact that he shouldn't have let the ball come in for the own goal. Balls from that area of the field should never be allowed to be crossed in.

     

    Overall a disappointing performance, but credit must be paid to the Tards, you can really see Ange's influence on them. They were excellent in possession, and their positional play and width was superb, especially considering they were down to 10. I'm putting our performance just down to "you can't win them all".

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    Guest ZipGunBop

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    Btw, can't believe kwabi hasn't got a start. So quick and direct. Dosent matter if he can't finish, he'll win you alot of corners. But I ain't at training. So dunno.

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    Could be worse, could be a smurf.

    lol that line really puts things in perspective

     

    i would really love to see Dino do well, i know he does work hard and i respect him for that but he really needs to offer more up front

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    Dino is a hack, doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that we were performing better as a team when dino wasnt in the team, now that his back (for unknown reasons) he completely ruins the attacking opinions, and doesnt have the strikers instances.

     

    popa should realise this and drop him, ffs bring in tahj or kubi, give them a run.

     

    We need a striker. Badly

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    Btw, can't believe kwabi hasn't got a start. So quick and direct. Dosent matter if he can't finish, he'll win you alot of corners. But I ain't at training. So dunno.

     

     

     

    Kubi is underrated ;-) He has good flair & ridiculous pace, hes shown already he can mix it with the big boys, time to get him back..

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    At one point in the first half, Dino peeled off to the left to make a run for Ono, and Popa yelled out "Dino, stay in the middle!". He is being instructed to act as the focal pivot in the middle, to carry the ball, and distribute back to the AMC, AML or AMR in the initial 4-2-3-1 (433) we always start with.

     

    I dont care who you are - this is a very difficult position to play. A thankless task if you will. I am not trying to defend Dino, but I dont like players being bagged out without having to know the background behind their roles. Nice analysis by the way WSWGeorge.

    I wasnt at the game so I didnt hear the crowd booing Dino, BUT THAT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

    We are quite limited in our options up front and I myself prefer Gibbs or promoting young players like Kubi to step up and take their opportunities than play Dino. popa is trying to play a certain way with Dino up front, its just not working for mind, and it might not totally be his fault.

     

    I think popa should consider benching Dino for the next few matches and let Gibbs and young Kubi get in the mix.

    Our defence and midfield look solid, we need more oomph up front. We already have speed in Hersi and he has looked great last few matches he has played. We really missed his penetrating runs down the flanks tonight. Get the young kids on and lets see what they can do.

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    Let's clear the air on something right now. None of the RBB boo'd any of our players. I think you'll find that bullshit came from the same morons who, after booing their own, stood with their arms folded for the whole game.

     

    I'm sure I'll torrent the game and have an opinion on that at some point...

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    Let's clear the air on something right now. None of the RBB boo'd any of our players. I think you'll find that bullshit came from the same morons who, after booing their own, stood with their arms folded for the whole game.

     

    I'm sure I'll torrent the game and have an opinion on that at some point...

     

    This.

    I couldn't agree more. Week after f-ucking week. same blokes who start refs a wanker chants, dino sucks chants, etc.

    The amount of times I've told these ***** to shut the f-uck up is beyond laughing about.

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    disappointing result and performance, two reasons maybe - had our pants pulled down by ange who didn't allow us to play; and remember we played last sunday, it was a long away trip, we played in the middle of the day in mid 20 degrees temp, we played over a half with 10 men, and we had a six day break. not an excuse but we did look flat.

     

    i will say though we looked slow at the back today with rojas and thompson and others running around us, i don't think any of the back 4 have a lot of pace, maybe elrich has more pace, not sure haven't had foxtel for a few years, but i couldn't see him taking polenz's place unless polenz moves to mid. i think we missed poljak today, been our most underated player imo, would have made a difference in place of la rocca/trifiro. bridge could have scored from a header when it was 0-0 and the result might have been different, we still created quite a few chances but again couldn't finish. and their goals came from an own goal and a terrible giveaway pass. i know they were a man down and everyone agrees we played shockingly but despite that, stats at http://espnfc.com/en/gamecast/356401/gamecast.html?soccernet=true&cc=3436 say we still had 18 scoring shots and only 5 against, so it's not all doom and gloom.

     

    and now to everyone's favourite topic dino, my take is this - everyone knows we have been more effective with gibbs up front but it's not about this year or next, at the moment it's about practising playing a certain style. and popa thinks that dino is a striker more in that certain style, like an out and out striker. also popa needs to play him to see if we keep him long term, same with some other players. he may still not be 100% fit either.

    but i could be wrong, maybe dino gets dropped next week and we don't see him again.

    we are going to have to go with popa on this one.

    it is a bit sad though we are only 8 games old as a club and already one of our own players is being boo'd and bashed. i know we have high expectations but lay off it a bit.

     

    anyway onto next week...

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    I think we all agree if Dino's time isn't up then it must be getting close. I was speaking with one promo any A-league personality who was saying Dino lacked support. But Gobbs slotted in nicely when DIno was out and was effective.

     

    It's about makin yourself attractive to your team mates. No one is saying Dino doesn't try but he is paid to score goals and I don't really understand Poppas obsession with playing him.

     

    Actually I can. popa by all accounts is an analytical coach with attention to even the smallest detail. As a personality type this makes him what's called a complier or in the steadfastness category.

     

    Advantage is they will be plan their systems down to the last detail and give the players an exact understanding of their roles. Nothing is left to chance.

     

    DIsadvantage is that they are often resistant to change, and will preserver with a course of action longer then is necessary.

     

    That's psych 101 or today lads lol

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    I agree with some of your analysis WSWGeorge. Some of Dino's problems and the team problems last night were down to Popa and his decision-making. However there is no way you can tell me he played the focal point well last night or that he has done so in any game. If you watch him closely he is always moving away from our midfielders and struggles to link up with them and he is always trying to run in behind the defender and constantly gets caught goal-side. He also very rarely holds the ball up to play back to the midfield. For me he just doesn't make intelligent runs to utilise the skill and creativity of Ono and Mooy. So rather than bag Dino, my analysis is that he doesn't play the focal point well at all, and that at times we play too much long ball when he is on the field. I like to think that we have a lot of well educated football fans out there and rather than just trying to lay the blame at Dino's feet, they are actually just frustrated as to why this guy is starting games. I guess only Popa can answer that question. The last thing that frustrates me is people saying that Dino is putting in a lot of effort. No one is questioning the guys heart and the effort he is giving to the team. But I am sorry but effort just isn't enough. If it was, myself along with a lot of others here on the forum could be out there running on the field and giving our all for the team. Unfortunately that doesn't take into account the fact that we would not be up to the standard of the A-Leauge.

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    The last thing that frustrates me is people saying that Dino is putting in a lot of effort. No one is questioning the guys heart and the effort he is giving to the team. But I am sorry but effort just isn't enough. If it was, myself along with a lot of others here on the forum could be out there running on the field and giving our all for the team. Unfortunately that doesn't take into account the fact that we would not be up to the standard of the A-Leauge.

     

    I am going to assume this quote was directed at my earlier post. I agree that effort is not enough and he needs to start to producing. But thats not my call to make. Thats Popa's he is the coach, but while we have 11 players out on the field I will be supporting them no matter what and that includes Dino. Do I think Dino is up to the A league standard, no I do not. Do I think we should start players like Gibbs or Kubi? Yes I do. Why the f*ck is Dino getting booed? I dont understand this mentality of supporters booing a player. Thats what frustrates me as a supporter of our team. I remember when Terry McFlynn was getting booed by Sydney FC fans. While we were grinning with delight seeing the Sydney fans turning on one of their own, we end up doing the same thing. I hoped as a club we are better than that. STOP FU*KING BOOING DINO.

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    The last thing that frustrates me is people saying that Dino is putting in a lot of effort. No one is questioning the guys heart and the effort he is giving to the team. But I am sorry but effort just isn't enough. If it was, myself along with a lot of others here on the forum could be out there running on the field and giving our all for the team. Unfortunately that doesn't take into account the fact that we would not be up to the standard of the A-Leauge.

     

    I am going to assume this quote was directed at my earlier post. I agree that effort is not enough and he needs to start to producing. But thats not my call to make. Thats Popa's he is the coach, but while we have 11 players out on the field I will be supporting them no matter what and that includes Dino. Do I think Dino is up to the A league standard, no I do not. Do I think we should start players like Gibbs or Kubi? Yes I do. Why the f*ck is Dino getting booed? I dont understand this mentality of supporters booing a player. Thats what frustrates me as a supporter of our team. I remember when Terry McFlynn was getting booed by Sydney FC fans. While we were grinning with delight seeing the Sydney fans turning on one of their own, we end up doing the same thing. I hoped as a club we are better than that. STOP FU*KING BOOING DINO.

     

    + 1

     

    As an aside, I'm watching the replay on fox now, and after being there yesterday, I really thought the crowd was about 11-12K last night. Most of the North End where we sit was full, most of the Eastern end was full especially down the bottom, Western End close to 50-60% full, only the dry Southern End was relatively empty.

     

    Where do the other 11.5K sit if that was a 9.6K crowd?

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    Credit where credit is due. MV played well. You had big numbers of supporters as well, which was impressive.

    Do you mind if we take Rojas and Nabbout off your hands. I would love to see those young guns at our club.

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    Rojas destroyed us from what I saw. dude is a gun. MV did very well to win with 10 men, and as soon as archie was free running down that right hand side, there was no stopping him for that second goal. I dont blame him for giving the RBB and CPC some **** either, thats what makes him melbourne victory through and through. As soon as we went 1-0 down, MV were able to park the bus and hit us on the counter, which they did. After it went to 1-0, chuck gibbs, kubi, hersi, anyone up front, and its going to be much harder to score. Especially when our only mode of attack is cross+hope

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    For a positive I thought Polenz had a great game up and down the line all night, he gave his all.

     

    10 men holding out over 11 is becoming a constant theme each week is this league... I thought the main problem was the lack of quick passing in the final third too many times we ended up going backwards. It's up to the coach to change things mid game to come up with a plan to outsmart the two lines of four men 'walls' you end up facing against playing a team with a man down - like wswgeorge mentioned the system perhaps could have changed.

     

    My two cents on the Dino man - as i said last night popa selects him so if he's not up to scratch in people's eyes, perhaps bagging the player isn't the smartest thing. Also there was a moment in the game last night I think around the 80th minute when he tracked all the way back and made a wonderful challenge to gain possession - it was more about firing up the team. I am not saying this forgives all, but I loved the fact he did it. He wanted to win as much as anyone.

     

    What I will say about him is he knows he isn't going to get in behind the last defender due to foot speed, but it would be good if he tried once and a while thus mixing up our attacking play. Right now if I was an opposition coach I would be doing exactly what Ange did, shut the space on Mooy and Ono and force someone else to beat you, it's obvious we are relying on them to create. Dino is never going to score when Hersi, Bridge, Cole or whoever are crossing in because every time he is the only in the box and he gets squeezed by the two central men, he isn't agile enough to create space for himself.

     

    We all know scoring goals is out issue, this is the next step it popa's short term coaching evolution now, to show he is up to the challenge of getting the best of what he has to start getting the ball in the net. If he can't by the Sydney derby, we really should be looking at bringing in someone in the Jan xfer market.

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