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Big storm brewing in the nba. League wants everyone vaxxed but has no official mandate yet for players. Team officials coaches etc have already fallen into line but there is a group of players that are vocally resisting. Kyrie Irving is the most famous but there are a few more. Some are pushing some conspiracy stuff that would make Alex Jones blush (google Modena conspiracy it has everything - secret societies, microchips, controlling supercomputers, satan's master plan!) Several of the resisting NBA players are pretty high up in the player's union so they have actively sought to block the mandate - successfully so far. Problem is - multiple nba cities (including New York where Irving plays) have a requirement to prove vax to participate in indoor sports which means unvaxxed NBA players wouldn't be able to play games in those cities. Definitely a bring🍿 situation. More info here if anyone is interested https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nba-anti-vaxxers-covid-1231988/

most mainstream media is trash on that you won't get much argument here but that doesn't mean that avi whats his name or real rufshod or whatever his name is or russell brand whichever other charlatan has appointed themselves the source of truth. the majority of these are just people trying to turn themselves into minor celebrities (or trying to keep themselves in the limelight in brand's case). i have said this a number of times in previous discussions - we desperately need truth in media laws like the canadian ones. it is the only path I can see to regaining credibility in the media.

marron beat me to it but.... 30 years on from Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody and we have gone backwards. https://caepr.cass.anu.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/2021/4/WP_140_Anthony_et_al_2021_0.pdf the difference is the police brutality in these cases isn't followed around by youtube 'journalists' or 'alt-right influencers' so the general public doesn't see it on their facebook feed.

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Yep doing a wonderful job representing the farmers of rural nsw.

That we are still doing this fracking **** despite the overwhelming evidence that we shouldn't be tells you how beholden to the fossil fuel lobby we still are. The fact that we are coughing up 50mil of our money for the privilege is just sickening. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/23/grave-mistake-climate-scientists-issue-dire-warning-over-beetaloo-basin-fracking-plans

I do need someone to explain something to me about this...... If we have vaccines available for all who want them age 12 and up and everyone who wants to is vaccinated. And the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it anyway, it just mitigates the seriousness of the symptoms. So even the vaccinated can get it and spread it. What is the logic then behind sacking and banning the unvaccinated? Aren't they only risking their own health? Can't the vaccinated spread it just as easily? I just can't figure out the logic aside from maybe the incentive it provides for people to actually get vaccinated, to take away people's livelihoods. Is there a net benefit to society of taking this approach? What is the logic behind it?

I am hearing that another NBL anti-vaxxer is out the door........ Edit: Found a link https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/7439719/

Pretty big news this - tai Webster is a pretty big star. Will be interesting to see what happens with him - whether it ends up in court or he just heads to Europe to play (which he easily could and has previously). Could be a test case......

no argument here - just as I noted in my earlier post that crisis is often a time for govts to ram through restrictions and controls on people under the guise of protection - similarly it is also the time that fringe ****wits use it as a trojan horse to try to recruit and push their agenda and gain support. There are people out there that are very frustrated that are marks for these type of groups. I share your concerns on this.

there is a fair bit here that makes sense. to lock down indefinitely without adequate safety nets is wrong. can't argue with that at all- it just advantages further the already advantaged. jobkeeper was designed as a rort to transfer a whole bunch of public money into the private hands of the already wealthy and so it has come to pass, it was never about supporting workers who couldn't WFH. I feel we have been let down BADLY by our leaders both state & federal in both NSW & VIC. From the Ruby Princess onwards we have been failed by those entrusted to steer us through. It is tired ground now so I won't labour the point - quarantine, vaccines, jobkeeper, stranded aussies o/s etc etc. even Boris is doing better than us in the UK which is shameful - they are all back in full stadiums watching football and we are locked down indefinitely. I think this is way past being a left/right issue which some are continually trying to paint it (and one area I agree with people like Bogut who have been saying for months that pollies of all persuasions have let us down). Based on this I understand that some people do want to protest - not because of some carny huckster conspiracy theory but because we have been let down and we should be angry. What I see that worries me the most out of all this long term is the erosion of protections that we have had under the law. This happens whenever we hit a big crisis (after 9/11 was the last one) where a series of measures are put in place under the guise of protecting everyone against covid/terrorism/communism - the politicians tell us it is only for this purpose but once they are in place they stay even after the 'threat' is gone and then it just quietly creeps into other aspects of our lives. Look at the metadata laws ostensibly for anti-terror protections - now look at the number of agencies that are able to access that data without a warrant, it is staggering. I see this cycle repeating itself with covid - laws and extra powers for 'protection' during the crisis and then stay and expand once things move on. I tell you one thing that I find utterly disgusting though (and this isn't directed at you Stokz - it is a general observation about the public discussion) - is all of these RWFW's all of a sudden pretending to care about mental health because it suits their agenda. It is just so cynical, manipulative & self-serving - especially given the history of fwits like latham, jones, kelly, bolt et al piling on people and programs that are designed to support mental health. It is embarrassingly hypocritical but called out by absolutely no one given the shambolic sycophancy that passes for oz media.

But they are asked non-softball questions in a public forum that the media can report on. That is the accountability - at least in theory anyway.

pressers with hand picked journos who publish press releases as news are worse than useless. you are 100% right marron - the lack of parliament sittings is the bigger concern. how sturdy is our democracy where a virus can shut it down indefinitely? Or is the shut down deliberate to stifle debate and scrutiny? Tough questions that go beyond party allegiances. this is a good point. how will covid elections play out? Mcgowan has come off as a hero in WA and won by the landslide of all landslides. Eastern states where cases, restrictions and deaths have been higher could all get rolled at their next poll but the opposition in each state are in various degrees of shambles so who knows. i reckon scomo and friends will daily telegraph/cambridge analytica their way to a win at the next fed one despite all the scandals and **** ups - people just don't care and federal labor are such a wet newspaper (to steal from keating) that likely none of it will stick.

headline: random man on internet football forum solves 230 years of failed reconciliation I don't have the answers. I can tell you anecdotally what I have seen work on a micro level in the couple of places I have lived/worked and I can tell you what research and studies have shown has an impact and why say NZ which has a similar history to us has better outcomes but I don't have the solution. But that is straying away from my original point. I was responding to Wendy saying that a vacc passport would create a caste system - I was arguing that we already have a very tiered society and the pandemic had shone a light on that. I gave the example of the covid impact in western nsw and how it has exposed the metro vs rural/remote divide. I don't think that is a controversial opinion. You don't need to have lived in a western town to know that higher levels of average underlying conditions, higher average number of people in a household, comically low vacc rates and much lower access to hospitals and health care was a disaster waiting to happen and so it has come to pass. You can quote me how much money has been thrown at the problem but it doesn't change the fact that the problem exists. It is convenient for people to do this - just as many politicians have done in the past and present - Barilaro & Gladys are 2 of the worst mind - but covid has exposed the problem and the people in charge in pretty stark fashion imo. I have part of a solution for you though - not organising for vacc's that were meant for the regions to go to private school kids in sydney. but you know little things hey?

$30 billion awesome!!!!! Let's move there after the pandemic it must be paradise. You in? we have spunked more than that on jobkeeper to businesses already making a profit. Seriously though you can quote the spending figures all day but the life expectancy and health outcomes are comparable to 3rd world countries - most aren't aware of this, covid has highlighted the difference, that was my point.