Perth Break Losing Streak With VAR Help

I'm not paying to attend any more away games while the VAR is in.

They certainly don't help, but I don't even think it's fine in theory. Football is just much too fluid of a game for it to work. Unless you use it for every single wrong decision, whether it be a throw in or a foul in the middle of the park (which you obviously can't do), then you're just using it for the 'big moments'...but those moments wouldn't have existed without the seemingly inconsequential error earlier. Today's game was a great example. 

The only justification for the inconveniences it provides seem to be that it gets decisions right, but it doesn't, so get rid of it. Being at a ground and celebrating in the VAR era is like being half way through an orgasm but not being sure if you're going to reach the end. UNNATURAL. 

10/10 analogy there if I do say so myself.

Why is Hammil so bad ?

Someone tell me why he keeps doing this to us.

From Perth:

1. Fair play to Castro, the second goal was well timed.

2. Security was calm. They just stood and looked around rather than nitpicking about arms on the fence.

3. The Shed did their own mock Poznan which prompted a few WSW fans to do our one despite the gloom.

4. Obviously there are a lot of people with more technical knowledge about the game. I felt that the players at least tried to go forward. Herd, Riera, Thwaite and Carrusca stood out for me.

5. Most importantly, Santa is a class act. He encouraged the rest if the team to come over and thank the fans for coming over. Several took the time to pose for some photos.

6. Gombau also walked over. People were trying to encourage and be supportive to him.

I know the VAR is an absolute calamity and what not ...but we can’t blame it on how much of a ******* tin pot team we have become. 

what happened to us?

6 minutes ago, xxBrandonxx said:

I know the VAR is an absolute calamity and what not ...but we can’t blame it on how much of a ******* tin pot team we have become. 

 

 

It's okay ...I'm sure we will sign some 'good' players in the next few days.

The only thing longer than the off season is have to endure a season of this diabolical mess 

like last year the only thing that makes in a  complete non write off would be beating the Smurfs once 

where was big baccus anyone know is he injured? 

The worst thing about this season and our results is that we are subjected to ANOTHER season after this at Sydney Olympic Park.

I'm just not sure how many of our fans will be able to tolerate it. I'll be there through thick and thin but I think I'll be in the less than 50% minority who see us through another season at that shithole.

I appreciate that we are getting a brilliant new stadium, but my fear is, if the club does not do something about our on field results soon, we will be going back to Parra starting from a very low supporter base again. That would be just devastating.  

We should be waltzing back there to full houses.

Homebush has been a complete disaster.

The VAR didn't help us up but we still managed to get level. Usually a team that goes a man down start falling apart late in the 2nd half due to exhaustion...we didn't (we were better in the 2nd half). We lost because of our really bad defending and our weak attack. We played a team worse than us and once again failed to score in the 2nd half.

Each week we blame the ref, VAR, opposition,ground weather, stadium or pick on one of our players 'the scapegoat of the week'. 

Let's stop with the excuses, our team is not good enough and the coach doesn't seem to know where to start to fix these issues.

23 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

tting a brilliant new stadium, but my fear is, if the club does not do something about our on field results soon, we will be going back to Parra starting from a very low supporter base again. That would be just devastating.  

We should be waltzing back there to full houses.

 

No-one can say for sure, of course, but that's pretty much the only thing I'm optimistic about atm.

The die hards like the people on here will be back for sure. As for the rest, people love shiny new things. There will be so much hype and build up for the new stadium that people will want to be there just so they can say they were there and hashtag it on instagram. 

So as long as we start reasonably competitively, I don't see it being an issue. It'll only take one game of a good atmosphere to remind people what Parra was like.

8 hours ago, luisenrique said:

They certainly don't help, but I don't even think it's fine in theory. Football is just much too fluid of a game for it to work. Unless you use it for every single wrong decision, whether it be a throw in or a foul in the middle of the park (which you obviously can't do), then you're just using it for the 'big moments'...but those moments wouldn't have existed without the seemingly inconsequential error earlier. Today's game was a great example. 

The only justification for the inconveniences it provides seem to be that it gets decisions right, but it doesn't, so get rid of it. Being at a ground and celebrating in the VAR era is like being half way through an orgasm but not being sure if you're going to reach the end. UNNATURAL. 

10/10 analogy there if I do say so myself.

Agree with a lot of that, VAR getting mixed reviews home and away, it's seen as extra drama by the TV companies i think, good idea in theory but **** it off, it is just not working for me, i want to watch a live game without these silly interruptions.

Only thing worth keeping is the goal line technology, that's good and fair.

Refs have been making mistakes at games for the last 100 years, players & fans accept it as part of the game, some thing to talk about after the game in the bar as far as i'm concerned.

8 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

The worst thing about this season and our results is that we are subjected to ANOTHER season after this at Sydney Olympic Park.

I'm just not sure how many of our fans will be able to tolerate it. I'll be there through thick and thin but I think I'll be in the less than 50% minority who see us through another season at that shithole.

I appreciate that we are getting a brilliant new stadium, but my fear is, if the club does not do something about our on field results soon, we will be going back to Parra starting from a very low supporter base again. That would be just devastating.  

We should be waltzing back there to full houses.

Homebush has been a complete disaster.

They will all come out of the woodwork for the new stadium. People who have not been since the old parra will come crawling back.

Played Victory and Perth into form.. Mariners next. 

3 minutes ago, wanderersfanatic said:

Played Victory and Perth into form.. Mariners next. 

They haven’t won a game since November...   

I'm sorry, but there is no one to blame but those members who voted for Homebush as our interim home. I can assure you it was my last preference. I travel well over an hour to get to games and would be more than happy to head to Penrith, Leichhardt, Campbelltown, wherever if it meant the team had a real home ground advantage. Sadly the majority obviously thought otherwise!

We are not playing teams into form. It’s our team that is ****. Perth will most likely lose next week.

Same as Olympic Park. It wouldn’t be such a **** hole if we were winning. I remember season 3 in Parramatta, some of those games had an eerie feeling. Very quiet in many games.

Saying that, Parramatta does feel like home for the Wanderers. But I wonder if it will be the pot of gold that people imagine. It might lift the players a bit, but if we are still shite, we will lose more than we will win. We need new players. 

Yeah over this playing teams into form suggestion when ur shite you are shite 

Playing the bottom on the ladders teams over next few weeks will tell us how shite we are

i would have never though it but we coupd

potetnially finish last the way we are going 

i just realized... the FFA wants the a-league with VAR to become like the NRL and NBA.

i could have sworn with the amount of stoppages in play i thought the Eels and Oklahoma City Thunder were playing? was waiting for the try/no try

46 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

Yeah over this playing teams into form suggestion when ur shite you are shite 

Playing the bottom on the ladders teams over next few weeks will tell us how shite we are

i would have never though it but we coupd

potetnially finish last the way we are going 

It is difficult to comprehend our situation now considering how well we played at home to Melb City, than away to Brisbane. Even the draw against Adelaide we did well. We were competing. 

The last two defeats have been massively disappointing. The Cornthwaite loss has been big for us, and more importantly that we haven’t replaced him. Also no winger? We needed to fill those positions in the January transfer. But it looks like we won’t, and I think we would be close to being favourites to finish last now. Even CCM can play some nice football with average players. 

I wonder whether it's worth bringing someone in at this point. We aren't going to win any trophies so maybe the club are banking some of the salary cap to use next year.

I personally think it is a little risky what they are doing. Being competitive should always be in the culture and part of the DNA of any well run club. Even in the bad seasons. 

I guess I am just trying to make sense of the process. Especially when Brendan Hamill is the future of your club.

28 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

It is difficult to comprehend our situation now considering how well we played at home to Melb City, than away to Brisbane. Even the draw against Adelaide we did well. We were competing. 

The last two defeats have been massively disappointing. The Cornthwaite loss has been big for us, and more importantly that we haven’t replaced him. Also no winger? We needed to fill those positions in the January transfer. But it looks like we won’t, and I think we would be close to being favourites to finish last now. Even CCM can play some nice football with average players. 

In those three games Captain Cornflakes and other senior players were able to rally the playing group. With Cornflakes' departure the heart seems to have been ripped out of the team. That the club let the captain go without having a replacement lined up looks amateurish.

9 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

I personally think it is a little risky what they are doing. Being competitive should always be in the culture and part of the DNA of any well run club. Even in the bad seasons. 

I guess I am just trying to make sense of the process. Especially when Brendan Hamill is the future of your club.

"We are Wanderers" no more, I don't recognize my club any longer. 

Popa leaving when and how he did ripped the guts out of the WSW. In the wake we at club level appear to have lost the plot, and with it our DNA. It has caught up with the playing group, and it now shows on the pitch very clearly. VAR, referees and SOP sure are issues we could do without, but they are a just side show. 

The "process" is the road to self destruction. Gombau out, Rudan/Crittenden in, and if it is just to get the "West" back into the club. The big tidy up has to wait until May. 

14 minutes ago, GrEmIoWaNdErEr said:

From my point of view popa put together a farkin shite team and we couldn't even beat 10 man victory in November so what we need is a new team **** all the players off except for Santa and Riera and vedran we should start poaching in early March get the players gombau needs for next season and make the players now play for their contracts I don't think bonevacia will be in gombau's plans so bye bye I do see gombau signing up likes of elrich and Elsey also he could poach bujuis from ESFC and we keep risdon then in midfield we can have k Baccus Jr. And carrusca and foreign midfielder then wingers I'd take that arzani and a foreign winger and Riera up front that what I'd think he would go for but who knows.

Can you elaborate: what are your expectations for next season once Gombau got these players? Will WSW be like the Reds in 13/14 (coming 6th), or in 14/15 (coming fourth)? 

53 minutes ago, GrEmIoWaNdErEr said:

From my point of view popa put together a farkin shite team and we couldn't even beat 10 man victory in November so what we need is a new team **** all the players off except for Santa and Riera and vedran we should start poaching in early March get the players gombau needs for next season and make the players now play for their contracts I don't think bonevacia will be in gombau's plans so bye bye I do see gombau signing up likes of elrich and Elsey also he could poach bujuis from ESFC and we keep risdon then in midfield we can have k Baccus Jr. And carrusca and foreign midfielder then wingers I'd take that arzani and a foreign winger and Riera up front that what I'd think he would go for but who knows. Also the penalty decision in first half **** me same **** happen in Adelaide a few months back with corny handball then five minutes later ref stops game and he takes 2 or so minutes to just give a decision **** the var we don't need it my pov was it looked a bit soft that chianese went down as I was in the away bay right in front of were it happened and to be honest it not worth a red yellow at best but for me it was soft 

I think you make a little too much of the Popa thing. He still copped a few hidings, had one absolutely awful season and his treatment of players was questionable. He was also owned by Arnie and Muscat, and couldn’t adjust to get the better of either of those two. But I do get the qualities he bought to the club.

I don’t mind your suggestion of Rudan and Crittenden if we get to that point. I always felt when we have a coaching staff of two bouncing ideas of each other, it seems to work better. I also rate Rudan as being fairly intelligent, and Crittenden having good experience. 

Edit: This was in response to FCB. Quoted wrong post.

Just now, GrEmIoWaNdErEr said:

Huh wat

It was in response to FCB. Quoted the wrong post

3 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

I think you make a little too much of the Popa thing. He still copped a few hidings, had one absolutely awful season and his treatment of players was questionable. He was also owned by Arnie and Muscat, and couldn’t adjust to get the better of either of those two. But I do get the qualities he bought to the club.

I don’t mind your suggestion of Rudan and Crittenden if we get to that point. I always felt when we have a coaching staff of two bouncing ideas of each other, it seems to work better. I also rate Rudan as being fairly intelligent, and Crittenden having good experience. 

Edit: This was in response to FCB. Quoted wrong post.

I recall a Polenz interview when he was with the Roar.

WSW had lost a S1 warm up game against Sydney United. Popa just about tore the players' heads post game in the locker room.

A few days later he called a team meeting and outlined his plan how they were going to win the title, and asked those who didn't want to buy in to leave. 

Gombau, in contrast, tells the players that 6th spot will do for now, and says "we will win" the derby. 

Popa understood the West, and he got the West into the team. Gombau does neither, and I doubt that is going to change in a hurry. The last bit of the wsw winner mentality walked out of the door with Foxe and Cornflakes. 

35 minutes ago, GrEmIoWaNdErEr said:

Wsw will win the league, what you got too look at is popa brought this team together he left then gombau comes along obviously it's not working  what we saw with Adelaide is gombau brought together a team that actually won the league the year after, 95% of those players from 15/16 team played together at the time of the gombau  era  so I expect gombau will sign players that will play his style who knows we might get a strong team and win the league and beat ESFC plus ESFC will lose players to bigger clubs in Middle East and China so I expect gombau will start poaching players from rival clubs for next season that means he might even get players from teams better than us don't always think of the negative think positive give gombau time that's one thing I hate about critics is they pick on managers who only been manager for three months while other managers like okon and Aloisi don't get criticized and all the pressure falls on gombau seriously tho I've never ever met so many fans of this great club who always criticize gombau even farkin bozza and **** criticize gombau I farkin hate them all I'm saying is give him time and he will turn this club around 

I understand that people have a positive attitude. Gombau's track record does not suggest that something positive is going to happen any time soon. If I understand you correctly then we can expect the WSW to win the title with the coach coming in after Gombau in 20/21. With a coach who will not use Gombau's style, but will have the team play far more defensively.

I am far too negative for this. I prefer a manager who cuts through the crap now, comes up with a game plan suitable for the current squad's strengths, and tries to salvage something from the last quarter of this season. A manager who engages and rallies team, club, and supporters.

3 hours ago, octa9ona11 said:

I'm sorry, but there is no one to blame but those members who voted for Homebush as our interim home. I can assure you it was my last preference. I travel well over an hour to get to games and would be more than happy to head to Penrith, Leichhardt, Campbelltown, wherever if it meant the team had a real home ground advantage. Sadly the majority obviously thought otherwise!

 

Losing home ground advantage has been massive but there was nothing in the survey about letting your best centre back go mid season, not replacing him and  starting  Brendan Hammil as captain and centre back.