Wanderers Fade Out In Newcastle

1 hour ago, lloydy136 said:

We are giving up poor goals every week.

Llorente is great going forward but quite a few of them are on him. Stood off brillante in derby and got caught on his heels for cross against both jets and perth letting winger in behind him.

Janjetovic has cost us too. Drop against ccm was hideous and pushing ball back into the middle of the area yesterday wasn't  awesome either. Thats 4 points dropped right there.

I love corny but he was out of position for the goal too. Can't  let striker goal side in that situation.

Aspro against adelaide too - less said the better.

Fitness, slow passing etc all factors too but i reckon individual errors have been  the biggest problem.

Llorente copped a big knock in this game - I'm prepared to cut him some slack.

Vedran seems to go through periods where he loses confidence. I'd still rather have him than a goal stacked with 10 Redmaynes.

Redmayne is a **** no doubt about it he seems to have lifted his game 50% since moving east agree I still like snake better.

Agree with others, faded again the conditions was the last thing we needed after a taxing schedule for the week but they are professionals so it can't be used as an excuse.

It was a great day in the RBB though thought everyone put in a decent shift in the heat. Wish there were more clouds!

Victory & City away next up. Are the board waiting to see what Foxes does in those games - could be tempting fate.  Agree with Mack don't think hes up to it

Not a bad result yesterday considering , we went in with a sick Baccus senior and Roly on the bench , we lost our holding midfield in Baccus and Herd early second half, Llorient was on 1 leg for a greater part of the second half and that's where their attack came from.

Not bad all in after a hard couple of weeks with the Derby then Adelaide mid week,

We can now recover with an extra day or 2  and head to Melbourne for the Monday Victory game.

13 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

We lack a La Rocca type in the middle. Somebody to kick lumps out of the opposition.

That's supposed to be Herd. But the idiot headbutted NTS' shoulder and knocked himself out. Turning point in the game because we lost our DM/CM combo and had a makeshift midfield. Lost all shape and cohesion.

Llorente getting a dead leg from Boogard completely took him out of the game too.

probably should have sat deeper and park the bus after we lost our midfield. Put Sotirio on and play the counter. Playing a possession game didn't work once Baccus and Herd were out. Llorente didn't run up the park at all in the 2nd half because he was on 1 leg.

You'd take the draw after those circumstances, but we completely dominated in the first half and should have been 2 or 3 goals up if we turned possession into goals. Story of the season atm.

I don't think our issue in defence is on Vedran alone. It is on the backs and DMs.

The stats are

Team GA Shots faced

Vi$ion....1...6

Smurfs..4..11

Jets......5..13

WSW.....6..26 

Adel......6..18

Perth.....7..22

Nix........8..19

Melb v...6..16

CCM....10..19

Roar.....9...65

The stat that is impossible to get without the detailed timing of shots is how many shots we face after the fade out time of 60 minutes.

How can Foxe be proud of that performance? 

We don't look well prepared, players don't look match fit,  once we take the lead we are cruise control mode and foxes tactical decisions are just baffling. Its like watching Roy Hodgson coaching Liverpool again. 

Granted we are still unbeaten but we have dropped 6 easy points.

13 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Not a bad result yesterday considering , we went in with a sick Baccus senior and Roly on the bench , we lost our holding midfield in Baccus and Herd early second half, Llorient was on 1 leg for a greater part of the second half and that's where their attack came from.

Not bad all in after a hard couple of weeks with the Derby then Adelaide mid week,

We can now recover with an extra day or 2  and head to Melbourne for the Monday Victory game.

 

  

I'd have to agree here. You could see that Llorente was struggling on one leg for all of the second half and we lost our attacking impetus when Baccus went off. Yes we dropped off again in the second half but it could have been worse given the circumstances. However, I firmly  believe that the club needs to appoint a new coach before the Victory game with this 8 day break. 

Two draws in games we should of won is reason to be worried, we need a coach pure and simple, we have assembled the best squad we have ever had but we are rudderless.  Poor substitutions, and reacting to things with substitutions instead of trying to create things with substitutions.  No subs in the Derby when blind freddy knew we needed legs, yesterday putting Aspro a young bloke with confidence issues into defensive mid instead of swapping him and Hammill who has played there and pushing Aspro where he is comfortable further back was dumb beyond belief, that is when we lost any control of the midfield. Simple question you need a goal history says who is going to get it for you Sotirio or Santalab? 

The lack of discipline from our players is a major concern and that is coaching as well.  I cannot even count the amount of stupid fouls we have conceded when we are in attacking positions and defenders either with their back to goal or even from set pieces and attacking opportunities we let the pressure off with a dumb foul.  We need a coach now, Foxe is not the answer, nice bloke and all but a long way away from a Manager. 

1 hour ago, scarcev said:

Two draws in games we should of won is reason to be worried, we need a coach pure and simple, we have assembled the best squad we have ever had but we are rudderless.  Poor substitutions, and reacting to things with substitutions instead of trying to create things with substitutions.  No subs in the Derby when blind freddy knew we needed legs, yesterday putting Aspro a young bloke with confidence issues into defensive mid instead of swapping him and Hammill who has played there and pushing Aspro where he is comfortable further back was dumb beyond belief, that is when we lost any control of the midfield. Simple question you need a goal history says who is going to get it for you Sotirio or Santalab? 

The lack of discipline from our players is a major concern and that is coaching as well.  I cannot even count the amount of stupid fouls we have conceded when we are in attacking positions and defenders either with their back to goal or even from set pieces and attacking opportunities we let the pressure off with a dumb foul.  We need a coach now, Foxe is not the answer, nice bloke and all but a long way away from a Manager. 

I think Sotirio has a good record of scoring against Newcastle, maybe scored in the last 3 games? Someone will no doubt correct me on that, maybe why Foxe fancied him for a run out in that heat, a younger lad than Santa of course.

1 hour ago, scarcev said:

Two draws in games we should of won is reason to be worried, we need a coach pure and simple, we have assembled the best squad we have ever had but we are rudderless.  Poor substitutions, and reacting to things with substitutions instead of trying to create things with substitutions.  No subs in the Derby when blind freddy knew we needed legs, yesterday putting Aspro a young bloke with confidence issues into defensive mid instead of swapping him and Hammill who has played there and pushing Aspro where he is comfortable further back was dumb beyond belief, that is when we lost any control of the midfield. Simple question you need a goal history says who is going to get it for you Sotirio or Santalab? 

The lack of discipline from our players is a major concern and that is coaching as well.  I cannot even count the amount of stupid fouls we have conceded when we are in attacking positions and defenders either with their back to goal or even from set pieces and attacking opportunities we let the pressure off with a dumb foul.  We need a coach now, Foxe is not the answer, nice bloke and all but a long way away from a Manager. 

I think Foxe used Aspro in DM because he didn't want to disrupt the defence at such a late stage. It was more that we were out of legs and bodies and it was a battlefield promotion.  Midfield was carnage but he wanted stability in the back 4 especially with Aspro's confidence levels.

We are already leading the league in draws. Could we top last years record of 12?

Just now, xxBrandonxx said:

We are already leading the league in draws. Could we top last years record of 12?

2 more in our next 2 games wouldn't surprise anyone

23 minutes ago, xxBrandonxx said:

We are already leading the league in draws. Could we top last years record of 12?

Yes

2 hours ago, Paul01 said:

I don't think our issue in defence is on Vedran alone. It is on the backs and DMs.

The stats are

Team GA Shots faced

Vi$ion....1...6

Smurfs..4..11

Jets......5..13

WSW.....6..26 

Adel......6..18

Perth.....7..22

Nix........8..19

Melb v...6..16

CCM....10..19

Roar.....9...65

The stat that is impossible to get without the detailed timing of shots is how many shots we face after the fade out time of 60 minutes.

It's too early in the season to read too much into it, but there are some interesting averages from these stats - i.e. goals against as a proportion of shots faced:

- half the teams have an average of around 33%

- exceptions are vision 17%

- WSW 23%

- Nix 42%

- CCM 53% [distorted by R1 loss 1-5?]

- Roar 14% [is 65 shots correct?]

4 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

It's too early in the season to read too much into it, but there are some interesting averages from these stats - i.e. goals against as a proportion of shots faced:

- half the teams have an average of around 33%

- exceptions are vision 17%

- WSW 23%

- Nix 42%

- CCM 53% [distorted by R1 loss 1-5?]

- Roar 14% [is 65 shots correct?]

Sorry shots faced for roar is 12. 

Puts roar at 75%

Stat is just above tackled won.

5 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

It's too early in the season to read too much into it, but there are some interesting averages from these stats - i.e. goals against as a proportion of shots faced:

- half the teams have an average of around 33%

- exceptions are vision 17%

- WSW 23%

- Nix 42%

- CCM 53% [distorted by R1 loss 1-5?]

- Roar 14% [is 65 shots correct?]

1 minute ago, Paul01 said:

Sorry shots faced for roar is 12. 

Stat is just above tackled won.

So Roar have conceded the 3rd lowest number of shots! Wow, I never would have thunk that! And that takes their goals against average to 75% of shots faced.  And WSW has the highest number of shots faced!

Frustrating game but just wanted to second the praise for the rbb. Fantastic shift.  It was hot and the sun was blinding but they really put in. Newcastle supporters were a bunch of zombies.

They have the two slowest CBs in the league by far. Why didn't we just move Sotirio up front and kick it over their heads all second half?

Because we would've kicked it too long or too wide or he'd be offside

I streamed the game so haven't seen a replay, but I can't recall any shots on goal taken by Riera. I may be mistaken but he seemed missing for most of the game. ?

3 minutes ago, sonar said:

I streamed the game so haven't seen a replay, but I can't recall any shots on goal taken by Riera. I may be mistaken but he seemed missing for most of the game. ?

To be fair, the service he was getting he may as well have put up a deck chair in the Jets penna area, slapped on some sun cream and read a book.

3 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

To be fair, the service he was getting he may as well have put up a deck chair in the Jets penna area, slapped on some sun cream and read a book.

fair enough.....lol

Was Gombau at the game?

25 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

To be fair, the service he was getting he may as well have put up a deck chair in the Jets penna area, slapped on some sun cream and read a book.

This was an opportunity to rest Oreo and give Santa a start.  Zero service for the Spaniard to work with but Santa's high energy terrier like workrate would have contributed more.  Bring Oreo on once Santa was forked. 

2 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

 

So Roar have conceded the 3rd lowest number of shots! Wow, I never would have thunk that! And that takes their goals against average to 75% of shots faced.  And WSW has the highest number of shots faced!

The roar fans are calling for Young now.

1 hour ago, WSWBoro said:

To be fair, the service he was getting he may as well have put up a deck chair in the Jets penna area, slapped on some sun cream and read a book.

This, we have probably one of the best headers of the ball in the league yet we seem incapable of putting in anything resembling a decent cross. 

The one good cross that got put in, he went to the back post for no reason and was nowhere near it.

8 minutes ago, mack said:

The one good cross that got put in, he went to the back post for no reason and was nowhere near it.

Because all the other crosses went there!?

9 hours ago, scarcev said:

Two draws in games we should of won is reason to be worried, we need a coach pure and simple, we have assembled the best squad we have ever had but we are rudderless.  Poor substitutions, and reacting to things with substitutions instead of trying to create things with substitutions.  No subs in the Derby when blind freddy knew we needed legs, yesterday putting Aspro a young bloke with confidence issues into defensive mid instead of swapping him and Hammill who has played there and pushing Aspro where he is comfortable further back was dumb beyond belief, that is when we lost any control of the midfield. Simple question you need a goal history says who is going to get it for you Sotirio or Santalab? 

The lack of discipline from our players is a major concern and that is coaching as well.  I cannot even count the amount of stupid fouls we have conceded when we are in attacking positions and defenders either with their back to goal or even from set pieces and attacking opportunities we let the pressure off with a dumb foul.  We need a coach now, Foxe is not the answer, nice bloke and all but a long way away from a Manager. 

I agree. Anything less is a rationalization of incompetence. That which is within our control is left in the lap of the gods. No doubt if this continues in Melbourne next week the same 'tactical' denial of the bleeding obvious will surface. We blew the Derby and a silverware rematch and nearly lost this one. Injuries the heat the ref luck and voodoo magic are little explanation for circumstances beyond us.  

The reason the players get tired so easily is partly fitness, and partly because they fail to play as a unit.

Our forwards and attacking mids have always been a little on the lazy side in defence, especially when we take the lead in a game. The first season is the exception, where we would defend a lead well and always look to go for the second or third with counter attacks. We should set up a defensive wall when we take a lead, but still be wary that a second or third goal will kill the game off. Our forwards these days seem satisfied once they score one or two goals in a game. Santa is the only one who I would say looks like he wants to desperately score more, and he is on the bench.