Melbourne Heart vs Western Sydney Wanderers 8/11/2013 7:30PM

More seriously, Heart have recruited well, and they are playing a lot better than last season. They seem tougher to beat.

Shame their two marquees, Engelaar and Kewell are out. They do have that Migliorini (sp?) person but he hasn't really impressed me in the past few games so... yeah.

They also made several great chances against the Roar and were unlucky, I felt, to not score one.

For the club overall, you can't build a team based on on field success. You need something else. For me, the outsider, I always felt Victory were the glamour club of Melbourne: "Look at me, we're named Victory. We're great."

Meanwhile, Heart were supposed to be the team that were the hard-working, nitty, gritty, tough team that played with passion and... well, heart. Or maybe I'm drawing comparisons with ESFC and WSW.

 

ABC got a point, im not from the west, Im from the southern suburbs of sydney. I technically should be folowing esfc. Never folowed a team in the A-league, ive always want to be involved in active support  so i thought id give WSW a chance, after round 1 last year i was hooked and havent looked back.

 

 

Teams that call themselves Sydney and play at Moore Park = Eastern Suburbs, the North Shore, Northern Beaches.

 

Southern Sydney is not now, and will never be Sydney FC territory.

 

they have a strong hold on the south, a good portion of their membership comes from there

When JVS was coach it was building momentum especially with the style of play. John Alois, who was a great player, has put MH back to where it started. The style is shocking and as a supporter does not g me up to watch them. What's done is done. Just like Sydney FC. Farina, was a decent player but sucks balls as a coach. I'm starting to like Adelaide's style. They are great in the first half, but completely fall apart in the second. Popa as a coach? Love the guy! Not only the fact that he played for my second best NSL club but the style, determination and change he brings. If he continues, there is no doubt he will make it big here and eventually abroad.

On a seperate note, would be nice if all A-league clubs have a minimum of 10k members and build from there. Time will tell with the free-to-air now readily available.

Heart only become relevant when the Melb derby is on.

honestly dont mind Heart (more because I have MV lol), would be interesting to see how ppl of Melbourne would react if the heart became a top side in the A-league.

I think Heart should really go for the working class, against all odds approach to the club, that connects with everyday people. no point going for Marqee stars like Kewell/Aloisi etc. Heart fans would see that as trying to be like MV & SFC.

IMO their next Marqee should be Bresciano, very hard working, professional who gives his all for the team. Marqee player yes but different type of Marqee, someone who wants to play for the club, not collect their next pay cheque.

back on topic, heart to give WSW a scare but WSW will get the 3 points. WSW defenders need to be on their game, can see heart surprising WSW tommorow night.

 

So you would rather have South Melbourne in the A-league that attracts a crowd of 2,000 to play in the A-league? Sorry, Greek boy, but the whole purpose of the A-league was not to have ethnic teams in it. You guys were getting under 10k including one game that had 6k until you started winning. See what success does to a club? I'm glad WSW are in the A-league and the crowd and excitment they bring, but f* me, grow up and support the A-league regardless which teams are in there. MH and MV share the same stadium and same radius of the city so it does take time to build a club considering those factors. We don't have a "West" Melbourne like they do in Sydney.

 

And you might want to do some research before you comment on the incident when the two teams met last. The guy that threw the punch is a MV supporter.

 

May the best team win.

 

Look at your forum, that guy even tells everyone to grow up for talking up the off-field antics. I support the A-league as a whole and thus think it would be much better if your license was given to a club who could establish itself as different from MV and be able to grow a strong supporter base. Heart isnt doing that any time soon. 

I haven't been able to find anything to suggest that it was a MV supporter, although id be willing to tone down the hate if i was wrong and someone shows me otherwise.

Heart only become relevant when the Melb derby is on.

 

honestly dont mind Heart (more because I have MV lol), would be interesting to see how ppl of Melbourne would react if the heart became a top side in the A-league.

 

I think Heart should really go for the working class, against all odds approach to the club, that connects with everyday people. no point going for Marqee stars like Kewell/Aloisi etc. Heart fans would see that as trying to be like MV & SFC.

 

IMO their next Marqee should be Bresciano, very hard working, professional who gives his all for the team. Marqee player yes but different type of Marqee, someone who wants to play for the club, not collect their next pay cheque.

 

back on topic, heart to give WSW a scare but WSW will get the 3 points. WSW defenders need to be on their game, can see heart surprising WSW tommorow night.

In all honesty, Harry is a joke. he is only in it for himself but when you have a GM that thinks Harry will pull in the crowds he is kidding himself. I think our Maltese international is too pacey for your backline. But since Kisonorbo is out and if Hoffman plays this Friday, we will get smashed. That guy is simply not A-league material just like your tall Croatian sticker you had last season (can't remember his name)...... but then again, at least he scored a couple.

 

 

So you would rather have South Melbourne in the A-league that attracts a crowd of 2,000 to play in the A-league? Sorry, Greek boy, but the whole purpose of the A-league was not to have ethnic teams in it. You guys were getting under 10k including one game that had 6k until you started winning. See what success does to a club? I'm glad WSW are in the A-league and the crowd and excitment they bring, but f* me, grow up and support the A-league regardless which teams are in there. MH and MV share the same stadium and same radius of the city so it does take time to build a club considering those factors. We don't have a "West" Melbourne like they do in Sydney.

 

And you might want to do some research before you comment on the incident when the two teams met last. The guy that threw the punch is a MV supporter.

 

May the best team win.

 

Look at your forum, that guy even tells everyone to grow up for talking up the off-field antics. I support the A-league as a whole and thus think it would be much better if your license was given to a club who could establish itself as different from MV and be able to grow a strong supporter base. Heart isnt doing that any time soon. 

 

I haven't been able to find anything to suggest that it was a MV supporter, although id be willing to tone down the hate if was wrong and someone shows me otherwise.

 

 

You will always get idiots at every club acting like wannabe hooligans. In terms of that guy that knocked out the WSW supporter last season, you are probably the last guy who didn't know he is a MV supporter. So there is nothing to show or prove otherwise. He is a MV supporter that no one at Heart HQ or Yarraside know of.

 

 

ABC got a point, im not from the west, Im from the southern suburbs of sydney. I technically should be folowing esfc. Never folowed a team in the A-league, ive always want to be involved in active support  so i thought id give WSW a chance, after round 1 last year i was hooked and havent looked back.

 

 

Teams that call themselves Sydney and play at Moore Park = Eastern Suburbs, the North Shore, Northern Beaches.

 

Southern Sydney is not now, and will never be Sydney FC territory.

 

they have a strong hold on the south, a good portion of their membership comes from there

 

I've lived, worked and coached Fooball in the St George area in recent years. It's true a fair % of SFC memberships come from the area, this is a sign that this is a Football area, not a SFC area.

In my two years coaching I saw one kid wear a SFC jersey to training. Of all the families/parents I dealt with there were 2 who were SFC supporters.

If this is what counts as SFC having a "hold" on the area then they truly are screwed.

The South should have it's own A-League team one day. It's a Football area with it's own identity, SFC doesn't come close to representing it. And you're not alone btw - I attended a number of St George FC games at Barton Park last season - the carpark had a lot of cars with Wanderers stickers on them. 

 

Heart only become relevant when the Melb derby is on.

 

honestly dont mind Heart (more because I have MV lol), would be interesting to see how ppl of Melbourne would react if the heart became a top side in the A-league.

 

I think Heart should really go for the working class, against all odds approach to the club, that connects with everyday people. no point going for Marqee stars like Kewell/Aloisi etc. Heart fans would see that as trying to be like MV & SFC.

 

IMO their next Marqee should be Bresciano, very hard working, professional who gives his all for the team. Marqee player yes but different type of Marqee, someone who wants to play for the club, not collect their next pay cheque.

 

back on topic, heart to give WSW a scare but WSW will get the 3 points. WSW defenders need to be on their game, can see heart surprising WSW tommorow night.

 

In all honesty, Harry is a joke. he is only in it for himself but when you have a GM that thinks Harry will pull in the crowds he is kidding himself. I think our Maltese international is too pacey for your backline. But since Kisonorbo is out and if Hoffman plays this Friday, we will get smashed. That guy is simply not A-league material just like your tall Croatian sticker you had last season (can't remember his name)...... but then again, at least he scored a couple.

 

One pacey striker won't trouble our back line.

How can any fan of a club that recruits a Maltese striker and Harry Kewell claim that they have the best recruitment off-season? Let's look at a few counter-arguments from other clubs:

Wanderers: Tomi Juric has scored 3 goals already (more than the entire Heart tally for 2013/14), and Brendon Santalab has shown repeatedly his potential to knock in goals, only to be cruelled by the woodwork.

Mariners: Flores has been their go to man for creating attacking options, whilst youngster Storm Roux is already shaping up as one of the best young Kiwis to play for an Aussie team since Rojas

Victory: James Troisi must have been considered for Socceroo duties especially after his effort against the Nix, whilst Mitch Nichols has done very well (notably against the Roar)

Roar: Matt McKay's return to the Roar is already showing he is improving after his sojourns overseas and was kept in the Socceroos squad for the Costa Rica game

Wellington: Hernandez is back to a not entirely dissimilar standard to that shown with the Victory

Perth: How well will Gallas go? Hard to say but someone of his stature would be highly unlikely to be ineffectual like Heart's Mifsud or as damaged as Kewell

Adelaide: Cirio and Isais are giving depth to Gombau's tactical style and Zullo has shown similar value for the Reds as per McKay for the Roar.

So...c'mon ABC12345 (by the way, can't work out how to put your club allegiance on your profile? or too embarrassed?)...how have the Heart recruited better than these examples?

 

You will always get idiots at every club acting like wannabe hooligans. In terms of that guy that knocked out the WSW supporter last season, you are probably the last guy who didn't know he is a MV supporter. So there is nothing to show or prove otherwise. He is a MV supporter that no one at Heart HQ or Yarraside know of.

 

So no one at General Pants Co had heard of him?

 

 That guy is simply not A-league material just like your tall Croatian sticker you had last season (can't remember his name).

 

I would not recruit Harry on his fitness record alone. They saw the marketing side of it.

 

 

 That guy is simply not A-league material just like your tall Croatian sticker you had last season (can't remember his name).

 

 

I think somewhere in Western Sydney Balkanite just turned into the hulk. 

How can any fan of a club that recruits a Maltese striker and Harry Kewell claim that they have the best recruitment off-season? Let's look at a few counter-arguments from other clubs:

 

Wanderers: Tomi Juric has scored 3 goals already (more than the entire Heart tally for 2013/14), and Brendon Santalab has shown repeatedly his potential to knock in goals, only to be cruelled by the woodwork.

Mariners: Flores has been their go to man for creating attacking options, whilst youngster Storm Roux is already shaping up as one of the best young Kiwis to play for an Aussie team since Rojas

Victory: James Troisi must have been considered for Socceroo duties especially after his effort against the Nix, whilst Mitch Nichols has done very well (notably against the Roar)

Roar: Matt McKay's return to the Roar is already showing he is improving after his sojourns overseas and was kept in the Socceroos squad for the Costa Rica game

Wellington: Hernandez is back to a not entirely dissimilar standard to that shown with the Victory

Perth: How well will Gallas go? Hard to say but someone of his stature would be highly unlikely to be ineffectual like Heart's Mifsud or as damaged as Kewell

Adelaide: Cirio and Isais are giving depth to Gombau's tactical style and Zullo has shown similar value for the Reds as per McKay for the Roar.

 

So...c'mon ABC12345 (by the way, can't work out how to put your club allegiance on your profile? or too embarrassed?)...how have the Heart recruited better than these examples?

Manfred, some research might help. But I'll save you the time. MH recruits: Aziz Behich (came back from Turkey and played for Socceroos and still only 22), Orlando Engelaar (previous club PSV and had the chance to go sign for an EPL team - can't rem which one), Iian Ramsey (3 good seasons with Adelaide FC), Massimo Murdocca (played for Roar 3 seasons), Patrick Kisonorbo (from Leeds UTD and Socceroo until he injured his leg), Andrea Migliorino (half decent from Italy), Michael Mifsud (Maltese International - only played 1 game so far for Heart), I'll throw in Harry Kewell for the sake of it.... Having said that, you can have a killer team on paper but if players are played out of position, playing long balls to the Maletese International who is 5'5 and playing a crap style will get you no where with good players. That is the point I'm trying to make. Tomi Juric was let go by Adelaide but look at him now.

Not embarressed by anything. ABC12345 is merely a username so I can post.

I would not recruit Harry on his fitness record alone. They saw the marketing side of it.

 

 

 

 That guy is simply not A-league material just like your tall Croatian sticker you had last season (can't remember his name).

 

 

 

I think somewhere in Western Sydney Balkanite just turned into the hulk. 

They did see him as a marketing tool. Big mistake!

 

 

ABC, I have no idea what the point is that you're tryin to make!

 

You slag off wanderers for being successful then defend heart for well.......not having a heart and blaming wanderers or it, what in gods name is that?

Of course you don't get it. It's because you are not reading my posts properly so I will make it simple for you, rephrase and post:

 

1. I'm happy that WSW are successful

2. Happy the excitment and style they bring to the A-league

3. I conceed MH will never surpass MV in terms of success (at least in the near future)

4. We (MH) made the best recruitment off-season

5. We (MH) have one of the best team on paper but with a s*** coach it will go no where

6. May the best team win on Friday..

1. No you're not!

2. No your not!

3. That's a mute point!

4. Let me get you an A4 paper, write down your recruitment a on paper, might actually help you get an away win outside of Victoria!

5. No you don't!

6. Best team won 3 times last season, and long may it continue into the new season!

 

Fair enough dude. I give up with you honestly. Judging by your abilities to read and respond I'm guessing you are still in your teens.

 

They did see him as a marketing tool. Big mistake!

 

Dino scored as many goals as your boy Grella played minutes last season.

heart have some good players but do they have enough?

 

 

They did see him as a marketing tool. Big mistake!

 

Dino scored as many goals as your boy Grella played minutes last season.

 

Grella offered to play for MH and was not paid a single cent and funded his own rehab. No harm in a club trying to help out a great Socceroo.

 

How can any fan of a club that recruits a Maltese striker and Harry Kewell claim that they have the best recruitment off-season? Let's look at a few counter-arguments from other clubs:

 

Wanderers: Tomi Juric has scored 3 goals already (more than the entire Heart tally for 2013/14), and Brendon Santalab has shown repeatedly his potential to knock in goals, only to be cruelled by the woodwork.

Mariners: Flores has been their go to man for creating attacking options, whilst youngster Storm Roux is already shaping up as one of the best young Kiwis to play for an Aussie team since Rojas

Victory: James Troisi must have been considered for Socceroo duties especially after his effort against the Nix, whilst Mitch Nichols has done very well (notably against the Roar)

Roar: Matt McKay's return to the Roar is already showing he is improving after his sojourns overseas and was kept in the Socceroos squad for the Costa Rica game

Wellington: Hernandez is back to a not entirely dissimilar standard to that shown with the Victory

Perth: How well will Gallas go? Hard to say but someone of his stature would be highly unlikely to be ineffectual like Heart's Mifsud or as damaged as Kewell

Adelaide: Cirio and Isais are giving depth to Gombau's tactical style and Zullo has shown similar value for the Reds as per McKay for the Roar.

 

So...c'mon ABC12345 (by the way, can't work out how to put your club allegiance on your profile? or too embarrassed?)...how have the Heart recruited better than these examples?

 

Manfred, some research might help. But I'll save you the time. MH recruits: Aziz Behich (came back from Turkey and played for Socceroos and still only 22), Orlando Engelaar (previous club PSV and had the chance to go sign for an EPL team - can't rem which one), Iian Ramsey (3 good seasons with Adelaide FC), Massimo Murdocca (played for Roar 3 seasons), Patrick Kisonorbo (from Leeds UTD and Socceroo until he injured his leg), Andrea Migliorino (half decent from Italy), Michael Mifsud (Maltese International - only played 1 game so far for Heart), I'll throw in Harry Kewell for the sake of it.... Having said that, you can have a killer team on paper but if players are played out of position, playing long balls to the Maletese International who is 5'5 and playing a crap style will get you no where with good players. That is the point I'm trying to make. Tomi Juric was let go by Adelaide but look at him now.

 

Not embarressed by anything. ABC12345 is merely a username so I can post.

 

How can any fan of a club that recruits a Maltese striker and Harry Kewell claim that they have the best recruitment off-season? Let's look at a few counter-arguments from other clubs:

 

Wanderers: Tomi Juric has scored 3 goals already (more than the entire Heart tally for 2013/14), and Brendon Santalab has shown repeatedly his potential to knock in goals, only to be cruelled by the woodwork.

Mariners: Flores has been their go to man for creating attacking options, whilst youngster Storm Roux is already shaping up as one of the best young Kiwis to play for an Aussie team since Rojas

Victory: James Troisi must have been considered for Socceroo duties especially after his effort against the Nix, whilst Mitch Nichols has done very well (notably against the Roar)

Roar: Matt McKay's return to the Roar is already showing he is improving after his sojourns overseas and was kept in the Socceroos squad for the Costa Rica game

Wellington: Hernandez is back to a not entirely dissimilar standard to that shown with the Victory

Perth: How well will Gallas go? Hard to say but someone of his stature would be highly unlikely to be ineffectual like Heart's Mifsud or as damaged as Kewell

Adelaide: Cirio and Isais are giving depth to Gombau's tactical style and Zullo has shown similar value for the Reds as per McKay for the Roar.

 

So...c'mon ABC12345 (by the way, can't work out how to put your club allegiance on your profile? or too embarrassed?)...how have the Heart recruited better than these examples?

 

Manfred, some research might help. But I'll save you the time. MH recruits: Aziz Behich (came back from Turkey and played for Socceroos and still only 22), Orlando Engelaar (previous club PSV and had the chance to go sign for an EPL team - can't rem which one), Iian Ramsey (3 good seasons with Adelaide FC), Massimo Murdocca (played for Roar 3 seasons), Patrick Kisonorbo (from Leeds UTD and Socceroo until he injured his leg), Andrea Migliorino (half decent from Italy), Michael Mifsud (Maltese International - only played 1 game so far for Heart), I'll throw in Harry Kewell for the sake of it.... Having said that, you can have a killer team on paper but if players are played out of position, playing long balls to the Maletese International who is 5'5 and playing a crap style will get you no where with good players. That is the point I'm trying to make. Tomi Juric was let go by Adelaide but look at him now.

 

Not embarressed by anything. ABC12345 is merely a username so I can post.

 

How many goals, how many wins have your so-called super-recruits achieved....

Dud recruits for a dud club with dud fans and a dud coach

 

 

How can any fan of a club that recruits a Maltese striker and Harry Kewell claim that they have the best recruitment off-season? Let's look at a few counter-arguments from other clubs:

 

Wanderers: Tomi Juric has scored 3 goals already (more than the entire Heart tally for 2013/14), and Brendon Santalab has shown repeatedly his potential to knock in goals, only to be cruelled by the woodwork.

Mariners: Flores has been their go to man for creating attacking options, whilst youngster Storm Roux is already shaping up as one of the best young Kiwis to play for an Aussie team since Rojas

Victory: James Troisi must have been considered for Socceroo duties especially after his effort against the Nix, whilst Mitch Nichols has done very well (notably against the Roar)

Roar: Matt McKay's return to the Roar is already showing he is improving after his sojourns overseas and was kept in the Socceroos squad for the Costa Rica game

Wellington: Hernandez is back to a not entirely dissimilar standard to that shown with the Victory

Perth: How well will Gallas go? Hard to say but someone of his stature would be highly unlikely to be ineffectual like Heart's Mifsud or as damaged as Kewell

Adelaide: Cirio and Isais are giving depth to Gombau's tactical style and Zullo has shown similar value for the Reds as per McKay for the Roar.

 

So...c'mon ABC12345 (by the way, can't work out how to put your club allegiance on your profile? or too embarrassed?)...how have the Heart recruited better than these examples?

Manfred, some research might help. But I'll save you the time. MH recruits: Aziz Behich (came back from Turkey and played for Socceroos and still only 22), Orlando Engelaar (previous club PSV and had the chance to go sign for an EPL team - can't rem which one), Iian Ramsey (3 good seasons with Adelaide FC), Massimo Murdocca (played for Roar 3 seasons), Patrick Kisonorbo (from Leeds UTD and Socceroo until he injured his leg), Andrea Migliorino (half decent from Italy), Michael Mifsud (Maltese International - only played 1 game so far for Heart), I'll throw in Harry Kewell for the sake of it.... Having said that, you can have a killer team on paper but if players are played out of position, playing long balls to the Maletese International who is 5'5 and playing a crap style will get you no where with good players. That is the point I'm trying to make. Tomi Juric was let go by Adelaide but look at him now.

 

Not embarressed by anything. ABC12345 is merely a username so I can post.

I'd just like to point out that Mifsud has actually played TWO games for the Heart, not just one.

 

Really? And which games were they?

 

 

How can any fan of a club that recruits a Maltese striker and Harry Kewell claim that they have the best recruitment off-season? Let's look at a few counter-arguments from other clubs:

 

Wanderers: Tomi Juric has scored 3 goals already (more than the entire Heart tally for 2013/14), and Brendon Santalab has shown repeatedly his potential to knock in goals, only to be cruelled by the woodwork.

Mariners: Flores has been their go to man for creating attacking options, whilst youngster Storm Roux is already shaping up as one of the best young Kiwis to play for an Aussie team since Rojas

Victory: James Troisi must have been considered for Socceroo duties especially after his effort against the Nix, whilst Mitch Nichols has done very well (notably against the Roar)

Roar: Matt McKay's return to the Roar is already showing he is improving after his sojourns overseas and was kept in the Socceroos squad for the Costa Rica game

Wellington: Hernandez is back to a not entirely dissimilar standard to that shown with the Victory

Perth: How well will Gallas go? Hard to say but someone of his stature would be highly unlikely to be ineffectual like Heart's Mifsud or as damaged as Kewell

Adelaide: Cirio and Isais are giving depth to Gombau's tactical style and Zullo has shown similar value for the Reds as per McKay for the Roar.

 

So...c'mon ABC12345 (by the way, can't work out how to put your club allegiance on your profile? or too embarrassed?)...how have the Heart recruited better than these examples?

 

Manfred, some research might help. But I'll save you the time. MH recruits: Aziz Behich (came back from Turkey and played for Socceroos and still only 22), Orlando Engelaar (previous club PSV and had the chance to go sign for an EPL team - can't rem which one), Iian Ramsey (3 good seasons with Adelaide FC), Massimo Murdocca (played for Roar 3 seasons), Patrick Kisonorbo (from Leeds UTD and Socceroo until he injured his leg), Andrea Migliorino (half decent from Italy), Michael Mifsud (Maltese International - only played 1 game so far for Heart), I'll throw in Harry Kewell for the sake of it.... Having said that, you can have a killer team on paper but if players are played out of position, playing long balls to the Maletese International who is 5'5 and playing a crap style will get you no where with good players. That is the point I'm trying to make. Tomi Juric was let go by Adelaide but look at him now.

 

Not embarressed by anything. ABC12345 is merely a username so I can post.

 

 

How many goals, how many wins have your so-called super-recruits achieved....

 

 

 

Dud recruits for a dud club with dud fans and a dud coach

 

Hey Manfred, how many points did WSW have after their first 5 games last season? You probably wouldn't be able to answer that as you have no idea. You only remember the second half of the season.

How many games after 5 games? Five.

Next question?

(Ah, nice to see you picked up your own error noob)

After five games of the 2012/13 season's start the Wanderers had 7 points, thanks to two wins and a draw (in order draw against Mariners, loss to Adelaide, loss to ESFC, win over Roar and win over your dud club). And no one was making idiotic comments about best recruitment in pre-season like you are...

I have a friend whose last name is Mifsud. I always pronounced it "Mif-suhd". Apparently it's "Mif-sood".

I've been saying it wrong for the past 16 years

(just trying to lighten up the mood a bit)

Re: Mifsud:

Against Perth in Perth (Round 3), and against Brisbane in Brisbane (Round 4).

He missed only the first two matches, because of Maltese international duties.

Good to know you keep SUCH a close eye on your players!

How many games after 5 games? Five.

 

Next question?

Answer the first question then I'll ask another one

 I think our Maltese international is too pacey .

..cant shoot for **** though based on last weeks efforts...same goes for Ramsey. 

I think that will be your problem this season, tight at the back but cant score and get run down in the second half just like last week.

WSW 3 Heart 0 Bridge, Bridge and Shinji

Hey Manfred, how many points did WSW have after their first 5 games last season? You probably wouldn't be able to answer that as you have no idea. You only remember the second half of the season.

 

5...

ABC12345 - The mistake the FFA made was not coming up with two teams per city from Season 1 of the A-League. Had this happened I think Heart would be a lot further advanced in terms of crowd support. 

The problem is that colours and emblems aside there is nothing to differentiate the Heart from the Victory.

They both play in the same area, target the same areas etc.

With WS there is a cultural/geographic divide. The concept of the "westie" has an immediate emotional connection. It doesn't mean WSW haven't worked hard to engage the community - but its a good starting spot. 

The Heart need to differentiate - you have South Melbourne coming in with club facilities, history, infrastructure and know how and a geographic point of differentiation. As  I understand it their bid has been turned down (?), but it is worth looking at.