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6 hours ago, Erimus said:

Ahhh well..no need for a late night tonight at least. Will be all over by lunch time...before midnight our time.

Congrats Australia...

The Taunton Tendulkar will save Eng........

:D

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Well Australia massive faves to win the Ashes now......no wait...can't do that shyte anymore :(

 

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They gave the MOTM to Steve Smith but it should of gone to Pat Cummins. His two wickets the previous evening were decisive in the outcome. Eng came within 14 overs of a draw. If Burns and Root had not been dismissed....?  the result would of been a draw as shown by the tailenders who hung around.....especially Leach, and Overton who batted for 3 hours.

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No complaints from me. Australia have won many more sessions and bowled with much more consistency. Anderson was a big miss for England, especially so this OT test.

I think the batting without Steve Smith is about as poor as Englands. Having the worlds best batsman in your line up is massive. I expect Smith to go BIG at the Oval, i honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him chalk up 300, the way he is playing a triple century isnt out of the question at some point.

Well done Australia. I can go back to enjoying watching Australia now...like a day out at the SCG test regardless of opposition.

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6 hours ago, Erimus said:

No complaints from me. Australia have won many more sessions and bowled with much more consistency. Anderson was a big miss for England, especially so this OT test.

I think the batting without Steve Smith is about as poor as Englands. Having the worlds best batsman in your line up is massive. I expect Smith to go BIG at the Oval, i honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him chalk up 300, the way he is playing a triple century isnt out of the question at some point.

Well done Australia. I can go back to enjoying watching Australia now...like a day out at the SCG test regardless of opposition.

Both batting line ups are poor, Smith has been the difference there. When he goes past 50 he generally goes on to a big score, Joe Root is basically a rich mans Ian Bell loads of pretty 50s but rarely converts.

England also picking a bunch of bits and pieces players doesn’t help. is Overton really the best bowler they could find? They in part picked him as he can bat, maybe they should actually pick batsmen instead of 20 sloggers.

Paine said the Australians result was the result of 2 years planning, England seemed to just make it up as an afterthought post World Cup.

If Roy was the answer why wasn’t he picked a year or two ago rather than experimenting in the ashes 

 

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Mitch Marsh to replace Travis Head for 5th Test.........lol

 

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Win the toss and bowl at The Oval??

WTF

This will be interesting 

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Not to mention they are worried about bowler burnout and they could have given them another day and a half rest.

Weird.

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5 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

F off England you bunch of useless tossers

Yes, you have every right to be frustrated.  Australia bowls first on the easiest pitch in England, drops 3 catches, takes a wicket off a no-ball, and still England lose 8 wickets.  If Starc was in the team instead of Siddle, probably would have been all out for under 250.

Innings like Buttler's are a mirage.  Selectors probably thinking he is ok at Test cricket now. Stokes regressing to the mean was always a real possibility, and the others are not good enough. If not for a freak innings and a couple of bad reviews, Aus would be going for a whitewash. That it could still end 2-2 is a travesty, and Australia is not a solid squad itself.

England are going through what Aus did a few years ago - T20 and ODI scheduling affecting the Test team, still haven't replaced great players etc.  Aus are not the finished article, but they are about 2 years ahead of England, who need to start again. Pick the kids for next few series and stick with them. If they haven't got a solid core of top order batsmen by December 2021 they are in big trouble. There's plenty of time but they need to start now. They need to find another opener, a #3, and a #5 or #6 (despite Stokes' heroics, he's inconsistent and if he's gonna bowl he is probably better at #6 which is a spot that allows all-rounders to play their natural game). Bairstow should probably go for that Foakes dude, and they need at least another two decent bowlers as both Broad and Anderson have average records in Australia and might not make it. Archer will suit Aussie pitches, if he's motivated.

Also might have to rethink the captaincy... 

Lots to do.

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As for Australia, we need to find an opener (or two, but have to assume Warner will be ok at home), and just one of a #3, #5 or #6 (ML can drop from #3 to #5 if need be). In fact, just finding an opener or #3 might be enough, with Ussie back in and ML to #5.

Bowling is clearly fine.

Paine will probably be gone within a year or two, perhaps with Carey in.  So the bigger issue is who captains. Don't think it should be Smith. He's not a good captain, and his obsessive approach to batting and not sleeping etc. mean that he gets worn down when he has captaincy as well - he was scatterbrained when he allowed sandpapergate and we don't need that again. Paine has shown how strong leadership can help the team and its culture.

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8 hours ago, btron3000 said:

Yes, you have every right to be frustrated.  Australia bowls first on the easiest pitch in England, drops 3 catches, takes a wicket off a no-ball, and still England lose 8 wickets.  If Starc was in the team instead of Siddle, probably would have been all out for under 250.

Innings like Buttler's are a mirage.  Selectors probably thinking he is ok at Test cricket now. Stokes regressing to the mean was always a real possibility, and the others are not good enough. If not for a freak innings and a couple of bad reviews, Aus would be going for a whitewash. That it could still end 2-2 is a travesty, and Australia is not a solid squad itself.

England are going through what Aus did a few years ago - T20 and ODI scheduling affecting the Test team, still haven't replaced great players etc.  Aus are not the finished article, but they are about 2 years ahead of England, who need to start again. Pick the kids for next few series and stick with them. If they haven't got a solid core of top order batsmen by December 2021 they are in big trouble. There's plenty of time but they need to start now. They need to find another opener, a #3, and a #5 or #6 (despite Stokes' heroics, he's inconsistent and if he's gonna bowl he is probably better at #6 which is a spot that allows all-rounders to play their natural game). Bairstow should probably go for that Foakes dude, and they need at least another two decent bowlers as both Broad and Anderson have average records in Australia and might not make it. Archer will suit Aussie pitches, if he's motivated.

Also might have to rethink the captaincy... 

Lots to do.

Slightly more articulate assessment of English cricket than mine is 

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Well Australia showed their flaws yesterday with the bat, and in this Test with their catching.  And reviews again terrible.

I'm torn about Paine.

He has clearly turned around the attitude of the team.  They are no longer colossal ****s - even Warner is behaving, though Wade is still a dick - and they work hard and humbly, so that's good. He also had a big hand in changing the attitude about bowling, so we aren't just going to England trying to blast them out like Aussie bowlers do, and they have bought into the idea that sheer pace means nothing on those decks. So not only has the attitude adjustment meant they are behaving better, but they are willing to adapt to situations much more.

But he has been in the middle of the some massive errors.  His reviewing is horrendous. There is no other way to describe it. Missed another LBW today and on this pitch you can't miss chances. Reviews are a massive part of the game, and he looks like he is worried every time, he's twisting himself in knots second-guessing and it's like he's gonna do exactly the opposite of what he should do every time. Started off not reviewing, then missed a couple that he should have, so then he thought he'd have a go and made that ******* RIDICULOUS one in third Test, and so now has gone gun shy again.

Also, sending them in when winning the toss in second Test, and again in this one. Woeful decisions. The selection of Siddle in this Test when we have Mitch Marsh in anyway and so he could play the relief bowler, which would allow Starc to play (though I reckon Langer would have had a major role in that), was stupid.

Just from the quality of the batting and bowling we should have won this series about 3 or 4-1. Too many self-inflicted wounds.

 

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8 hours ago, btron3000 said:

Well Australia showed their flaws yesterday with the bat, and in this Test with their catching.  And reviews again terrible.

I'm torn about Paine.

He has clearly turned around the attitude of the team.  They are no longer colossal ****s - even Warner is behaving, though Wade is still a dick - and they work hard and humbly, so that's good. He also had a big hand in changing the attitude about bowling, so we aren't just going to England trying to blast them out like Aussie bowlers do, and they have bought into the idea that sheer pace means nothing on those decks. So not only has the attitude adjustment meant they are behaving better, but they are willing to adapt to situations much more.

But he has been in the middle of the some massive errors.  His reviewing is horrendous. There is no other way to describe it. Missed another LBW today and on this pitch you can't miss chances. Reviews are a massive part of the game, and he looks like he is worried every time, he's twisting himself in knots second-guessing and it's like he's gonna do exactly the opposite of what he should do every time. Started off not reviewing, then missed a couple that he should have, so then he thought he'd have a go and made that ******* RIDICULOUS one in third Test, and so now has gone gun shy again.

Also, sending them in when winning the toss in second Test, and again in this one. Woeful decisions. The selection of Siddle in this Test when we have Mitch Marsh in anyway and so he could play the relief bowler, which would allow Starc to play (though I reckon Langer would have had a major role in that), was stupid.

Just from the quality of the batting and bowling we should have won this series about 3 or 4-1. Too many self-inflicted wounds.

 

On the last bit, with Smith you should have won about 4-1 without It’s 3-2 either way.

both teams batting is largely ****, take Smith out and England’s is possibly less ****

Seam bowling wise Australia have the edge in but would possibly go the other way with a fit Anderson 

spin lyon is way out, but be interesting to see what Leach does in 4th innings 

England, some really poor selections 

- why did we pick Moeen for first test?

- The Roy experiment was a disaster 

- Root shouldn’t be Captain it stuffs his batting and we need it 

- Anderson wasn’t fit and shouldn’t have played 

- Bairstow shouldn’t be keeper give him a few tests as a batsmen to win his place 

- if you insist on manufacturing a Warner of old type opener Buttler is more of a chance he at least can play straight  

Denly looks like a find 

Archer is boss 

 

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Can’t really argue with this can you?

As the players walked off for lunch, Stokes was heard calling David Warner “a ******* prick”.

 

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27 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Can’t really argue with this can you?

As the players walked off for lunch, Stokes was heard calling David Warner “a ******* prick”.

 

No, but Stokes is living in a bit of a glass house. Granted, Warner seems like a prick all the time, while Stokes looks like he's just got anger issues, but still.

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It will most probably go to Steve Smith but my Man of the Series is Pat Cummins. 

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