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5 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

To cancel a whole round seems harsh but what other way do you end up around it?

If you only stop the teams playing who were involved with that behavior, what happens to the games? Do these teams forfeit? Who gets points?

Difficult situation to find the best solution here, do Canterbury districts use Sin Bins? At least they’ve identified the issues & linked it to decrease in ref numbers. Hope something comes of it.

5 hours ago, mack said:

Also, how about that garbage handball call in the CL final.

Spot on 100%, seriously though, why is his hand in that position in the penalty box of all areas. Craziness. Don’t know how you blame the referee there :acute:

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Oh man, y'all missed it today

I gave thirteen yellow cards and one red today (in two games) - with about ten of them for dissent

It was incessant, bunch of whining and whinging sore losers who can't understand that the reason they're copping so many free kicks (and hence yellows) is because they're being put to the sword by a better team. It's like, "Well if you spend 87 minutes of the game defending, why are you complaining about not winning any attacking free kicks? Your last bloody attack was 20 minutes ago"

And somehow it's my fault and I'm biased and etc.

I felt bad for not giving more cards away because at like 4-1 down or so, I figured, "Nah, let's not kick them when they're down" but bloody hell I should've continued. I thought I'd be nice but nooooooooooooo

 

Then, in the second game, had a captain literally yell at all of the players on the team that I was wrong and that they shouldn't listen to me

Needless to say, the five minutes after that had about five bookings for that team. Unbelievable.

I gave someone like four warnings about dissent and they sat there with a big 'WTF' on their face after I booked them for it

Then they're sitting there going 'REF WHY ARE YOU WASTING TIME COME ON' while I'm calmly recording the bookings on my notepad

They asked me if I was going to add this time on at the end. I'm like "Nope, you're not the Prems"

They were giving me the hurry up so I told them, "You're damn right I'm wasting time. If you're going to go on like that, then I'm going to waste as much time as I want until you behave yourselves".

I have to say, the last portion of that game was beautiful. Not a peep from them. No more cards. Wonderful.

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On 01/06/2019 at 5:53 PM, CaptainJess said:

I know it’s not the same sport, but hockey shares a lot of similarities to football. 

 We have a green, yellow and red card. A red works the same way in both sports but the green and yellow are different. 

A big change like this needs to come from IFAB but definitely agree that football can learn from other sports on how they deal with indiscipline.

23 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

My problem with this is that refs cop a lot worse than the example I gave and more often than not, do nothing. I see and hear it weekly in my son's 17-1's games.

I do NOT condone any of that. And I never would. I deplore abuse of referees. But surely, coming from a captain of a team, its hardly a hanging offence. We get good and bad refs. As does all sports. A good ref would have called him over and had a quiet word. A bad ref over reacts and sends him to the sin bin. The good refs approach garnishes respect amongst the players. Anyway, just my opinion.

It’s tough, I’m guessing a few things:

- The older (even considerably older) will generally be able to cop more than the younger ones. I put this down to the fact that they’ve been around a lot longer & experienced far worse. I suspect why we seem to have this large number of older referees & many younger to mid aged referees walked away from the game. That experience will affect the way you react in these situations.

- When you say there are good & bad referees, you can say that different referees have different strengths. Not all referees are comfortable speaking to players in fact when I first started refereeing I was told it was better not to speak to players. Some are better at game management, some are better at lotg interpretations, some have better fitness etc etc

- At grassroots level, the better referees will be saved for the prems or div 1’s. The rest it’s a bit of pot luck on who you’ll get, some good & others well...

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14 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

Oh man, y'all missed it today

I gave thirteen yellow cards and one red today (in two games) - with about ten of them for dissent

I had one of those last Sunday, seems like it was your turn today :lol:

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17 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

Oh man, y'all missed it today

I gave thirteen yellow cards and one red today (in two games) - with about ten of them for dissent

It was incessant, bunch of whining and whinging sore losers who can't understand that the reason they're copping so many free kicks (and hence yellows) is because they're being put to the sword by a better team. It's like, "Well if you spend 87 minutes of the game defending, why are you complaining about not winning any attacking free kicks? Your last bloody attack was 20 minutes ago"

And somehow it's my fault and I'm biased and etc.

I felt bad for not giving more cards away because at like 4-1 down or so, I figured, "Nah, let's not kick them when they're down" but bloody hell I should've continued. I thought I'd be nice but nooooooooooooo

 

Then, in the second game, had a captain literally yell at all of the players on the team that I was wrong and that they shouldn't listen to me

Needless to say, the five minutes after that had about five bookings for that team. Unbelievable.

I gave someone like four warnings about dissent and they sat there with a big 'WTF' on their face after I booked them for it

Then they're sitting there going 'REF WHY ARE YOU WASTING TIME COME ON' while I'm calmly recording the bookings on my notepad

They asked me if I was going to add this time on at the end. I'm like "Nope, you're not the Prems"

They were giving me the hurry up so I told them, "You're damn right I'm wasting time. If you're going to go on like that, then I'm going to waste as much time as I want until you behave yourselves".

I have to say, the last portion of that game was beautiful. Not a peep from them. No more cards. Wonderful.

So if you had temporarily dismissals as an avenue (10 minutes for each dissent against a match official), would that have helped?

The best thing about temporary dismissals, especially if given early in the game, usually changes game management to settle the problem team or teans. But there are those teams who never learn. I spoke to the coach of a player who received a temporary dismissal last week today said the same player got another one today.:crazy:

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13 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

A big change like this needs to come from IFAB but definitely agree that football can learn from other sports on how they deal with indiscipline.

It’s tough, I’m guessing a few things:

- The older (even considerably older) will generally be able to cop more than the younger ones. I put this down to the fact that they’ve been around a lot longer & experienced far worse. I suspect why we seem to have this large number of older referees & many younger to mid aged referees walked away from the game. That experience will affect the way you react in these situations.

- When you say there are good & bad referees, you can say that different referees have different strengths. Not all referees are comfortable speaking to players in fact when I first started refereeing I was told it was better not to speak to players. Some are better at game management, some are better at lotg interpretations, some have better fitness etc etc

- At grassroots level, the better referees will be saved for the prems or div 1’s. The rest it’s a bit of pot luck on who you’ll get, some good & others well...

Had one of those today as well

Long ball comes in from an attacker. The defender kicks at it but because of spin/bounce/technique, the ball loops up onto an attacking player who was in an offside position when the ball was hit by their attacker.

Anyway, clean through on goal - the attacker scores.

Had a minute or so explaining 'second phase play' and why it is not offside and why what happened is comparable to you deliberately passing the ball back to the attacker

Just now, Paul01 said:

So if you had temporarily dismissals as an avenue (10 minutes for each dissent against a match official), would that have helped?

The best thing about temporary dismissals, especially if given early in the game, usually changes game management to settle the problem team or teans. But there are those teams who never learn. I spoke to the coach of a player who received a temporary dismissal last week today said the same player got another one today.:crazy:

Depends how it's structured. Overalll, I think it would have helped definitely, if I gave about four of them a TD and they'd be playing 11 v 7. They'd learn very quickly.

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1 hour ago, Wanderboy said:

Both players SHOULD be serving a suspension, although I'm guessing both clubs would be prepared to let this incident fly under the radar. Only reason this will be taken further I think is if there was an Association official present at the game. That I don't know.

Each send-off results in a fine for the club so he clubs won't to report it. 

That said, if club officials were informed they may have their own in-club disciplinary policy but it's usually swept under the carpet.

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Bit of encroachment watch at the U20's. Go ahead to about 2:45.

Apparently VAR over-turned this penalty save because of keeper encroachment.

Very dodgy.

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No different to redmayne against perth......

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1 hour ago, mack said:

Have a look at around 1:15 and check out that decision.

I remember that when I first saw it and wondered whether it was correct. While the final contact looks bad with studs showing like that it can also be seen as just the follow through from kicking the ball. Despite the "unnatural" looking final position of the foot it didn't look like there was any attempt or intent to make contact.

I also recall Lisa DeVanna getting a yellow after simply slipping when kicking the ball and making minor contact.

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1 hour ago, mack said:

Have a look at around 1:15 and check out that decision.

Have to feel sorry for the RSA defender there. At first glance she kicked the ball and it was the follow through that caused the raised foot. (she was obviously trying to hoof it downfield). What was she supposed to do.?

Personally I think it was the wrong call as I've seen countless similar examples in games ....men and women .... and where no action is taken It will be interesting to see if any similar decisions are made.

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21 minutes ago, sonar said:

Have to feel sorry for the RSA defender there. At first glance she kicked the ball and it was the follow through that caused the raised foot. (she was obviously trying to hoof it downfield). What was she supposed to do.?

Personally I think it was the wrong call as I've seen countless similar examples in games ....men and women .... and where no action is taken It will be interesting to see if any similar decisions are made.

 there is no distinction with studs up contact above the foot is a send off. The severity of the punishment is determined by type of tackle, longer suspension for two-footed leg breaker.

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It was a second yellow so it wasn't a straight send off so they didn't think it was 'that bad' it just happened to be in the penalty area and a 2nd yellow.

The first spanish goal was also stupid, apparently the new handball rules means if you have your hands in front of your chest that's an "un-natural" position even if the ball got kicked into you path from a meter away.

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I grant there are those on here who have more knowledge about the rules than myself but I am struggling to understand how a player who clearly gets full contact with the ball first can be held responsible for how a attacking player positions themselves. I have no doubt that there was contact with the studs but as I said before I've seen this happen in HAL games where a player has made contact with the ball first and then made contact with an opposition player and ....nothing. First time I've seen a penalty. 

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30 minutes ago, sonar said:

I grant there are those on here who have more knowledge about the rules than myself but I am struggling to understand how a player who clearly gets full contact with the ball first can be held responsible for how a attacking player positions themselves. I have no doubt that there was contact with the studs but as I said before I've seen this happen in HAL games where a player has made contact with the ball first and then made contact with an opposition player and ....nothing. First time I've seen a penalty. 

Don't quote A-league referees in the same paragraph as decent referees.

A-league are beholden to Fox Sports as they keep players on the field who would be sent off a lower levels (Brosque and Grant from the Smurfs), fail to call foul throws to supposedly speed up the game,  fail to penalise players or teams for persistent fouls or fail to penalise at all.

Look what happens to Melb Victory and the Smurfs in the ACL when they are called for fouls they get away with in the HAL.

Edited by Paul01
Correction

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