The Refereeing Thread

[mack]

Roar had a goal overturned by an offside earlier this year didn't they?

[tardotz]

5 hours ago, mack said:

Roar had a goal overturned by an offside earlier this year didn't they?

Yes and after that mistake they changed the VAR "guidelines"

[Paul01]

Wanderers record under Barreiro 

16/17 R21 v Perth - Loss (0-2) 3 yc

17/18 R06 v Heartless - Draw (1-1) 2 yc

17/18 R10 v Smurfs - loss (0-5) 4 yc 

17/18 R18 v Perth - loss (1-3) 2yc, 1rc

Note that the smurfs received 0 cards for this years home derby

[Paul01]

Card Watch Round 18

 highest yellows first

Card Watch based on HAL team stats

Brisbane.... 47 yc, 0 x 2y, 2 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Wanderers. 46 y, 2 x 2y, 1 red, 4 sus for 5 yc

Perth...........39 yc, 0 x2y, 0 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Melb vic.....37 yc, 1 x 2y, 2 red, 3 sus for 5 yc

Mariners.....37 yc, 3 x 2y, 3 red, 2 sus for 5yc

Adelaide......37 yc, 2 x 2yc, 1 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Newcastle...35 yc, 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Phoenix.......33 yc, 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Heartless.... 31 yc, 1 x 2y, 4 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Smurfs.........25yc, 0 x 2y, 1 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Suspended (or should be)

Georgievski, Baro, O'Neill, Geria, Baccus Jnr, Brama, Mills

[lloydy136]

MRP only gave brama 2 weeks for that leg breaker horror show of a tackle.

The a-league is steadily building its resume for most tin pot league on the planet.

[Wanderboy]

9 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

MRP only gave brama 2 weeks for that leg breaker horror show of a tackle.

The a-league is steadily building its resume for most tin pot league on the planet.

A disgraceful penalty and embarrassing to the sport.

[btron3000]

28 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

MRP only gave brama 2 weeks for that leg breaker horror show of a tackle.

The a-league is steadily building its resume for most tin pot league on the planet.

6 weeks for spitting, 2 weeks for potentially ending someone's career. Ridiculous.

[Paul01]

45 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

6 weeks for spitting, 2 weeks for potentially ending someone's career. Ridiculous.

I just looked up the FFA disciplinary rules. They distinguish between challenging and not challenging in red card incidents. Technically Brama was challenging for the ball and was given double the sentence.

Serious foul play (R1), as this tackle has been classified, in my association also receives a 2 match ban. 

Whether or not the punishment is adequate is a different question.

[Hiriser]

20 hours ago, lloydy136 said:

MRP only gave brama 2 weeks for that leg breaker horror show of a tackle.

The a-league is steadily building its resume for most tin pot league on the planet.

Should've been at least 6 matches. Embarrassing.

[Paul01]

Card Watch Round 19 (Wanderers miracle Round 0 yellow or red cards)

 highest yellows first

Card Watch based on HAL team stats

Brisbane.... 49yc (2.58yc/game; 16.1 fouls conc/game), 0 x 2y, 2 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Wanderers. 46yc (2.56yc/game; 16.6 fouls conc/game) 2 x 2y, 1 red, 4 sus for 5 yc

Perth...........41yc (2.16yc/game; 13.4 fouls conc/game), 0 x2y, 0 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Adelaide.....40yc (2.11yc/game, 14.4 fouls conc/game), 2 x 2yc, 1 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Mariners.....39yc (2.05yc/game; 12.7 fouls conc/game), 3 x 2y, 3 red, 3 sus for 5yc

Phoenix.......38yc (2.11yc/game; 13.7 fouls conc/game) 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Newcastle...38yc (2.00yc/game; 14.8 fouls conc/game), 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Melb vic.......37yc (1.95yc/game; 17.3 fouls conc/game)1 x 2y, 2 red, 3 sus for 5 yc

Heartless.... 33yc (1.74yc/game; 15.6 fouls conc/game), 1 x 2y, 4 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Smurfs.........25yc (1.37yc/game; 13.0 fouls conc/game) 0 x 2y, 1 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Suspended (or should be)

Brama, Golec, Corey Brown 

[SomeGuy1977]

Nice little game to test your AR skills.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/assistant-referee-offside-game-0gjxrnfg6

[mack]

5/5 for Easy.

4/5 Medium (found a log-in on bugmenot that let me do the rest). Got tricked by the bad camera angle.

3/5 for Hard. Although I believe their answer for the first one for Hard is wrong, they've put the line on his foot not his shoulder which is further forward. 

That's at least A-League quality.

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

if you have to make difficult offside calls its way better than a-league quality

[lloydy136]

Watching an nba game over the weekend and it showed again just how farcical video refs are.....

Minute to go in a close game....

Hawks player fouled taking a shot ruled a 2 point shot. Player takes 2 free throws. Play continues and knicks player scores and is fouled. While lining up to take the free throw video ref calls refs over to review the previous hawks  play. Its ruled a 3 point attempt so they wipe off the knicks play, wind the clock back and give the hawks player an extra free throw.

The whole episode took 5 minutes+ to sort out and cost the knicks the game. Even when a video ref gets it right as it did in this case it still distorts the game itself.

Its pretty easy to picture a similar schmozz occurring in the a-league and a legitimately scored goal taken away to go back to a penalty shout at the other end.

Its just not workable in most sports but football especially.

[mack]

4 hours ago, lloydy136 said:

Its pretty easy to picture a similar schmozz occurring in the a-league and a legitimately scored goal taken away to go back to a penalty shout at the other end.

Will they 'play advantage' if the team who should win a VAR penalty score a goal 3 minutes later without the game having stopped?

[btron3000]

9 hours ago, lloydy136 said:

Its just not workable in most sports but football especially.

I watch the NFL and they are still arguing about how to use the video decades after introducing it, and this is a game that stops every 5 seconds and re-sets the play. 

It football it's ridiculous.

[Unlimited]

On 06/02/2018 at 2:09 PM, SomeGuy1977 said:

Nice little game to test your AR skills.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/assistant-referee-offside-game-0gjxrnfg6

3/5 for hard

thats a really great find tbh

[Paul01]

Card watch full games up to Round 19 (does not include R20 matches)

(Wanderers miracle Round 0 yellow or red cards)

 highest yellows first

Card Watch based on HAL team stats

Brisbane.... 49yc (2.58yc/game; 16.1 fouls conc/game), 0 x 2y, 2 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Wanderers. 46yc (2.42yc/game; 16.7 fouls conc/game) 2 x 2y, 1 red, 4 sus for 5 yc

Perth...........41yc (2.16yc/game; 13.4 fouls conc/game), 0 x2y, 0 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Adelaide.....40yc (2.11yc/game, 14.4 fouls conc/game), 2 x 2yc, 1 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Mariners.....39yc (2.05yc/game; 12.7 fouls conc/game), 3 x 2y, 3 red, 3 sus for 5yc

Phoenix.......39 yc (2.05game; 13.4fouls conc/game) 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Newcastle...38yc (2.00yc/game; 14.8 fouls conc/game), 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Melb vic.......37yc (1.95yc/game; 17.3 fouls conc/game)1 x 2y, 2 red, 3 sus for 5 yc

Heartless.... 33yc (1.74yc/game; 15.6 fouls conc/game), 1 x 2y, 4 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Smurfs.........25yc (1.37yc/game; 13.0 fouls conc/game) 0 x 2y, 1 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Round 21 already has one player suspended for 5yc, smurf Wiltshire.

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[HillsPanther]

Goes to show that the refs hate phoenix worse than us.

[Prydzopolis]

I’m all for the use of VAR but try not to draw a line on the screen by hand to rule off a legitimate goal. Ridiculous FFS

 

[GunnerWanderer]

If the var was around in the Sir alex era Man Utd probably would have 5 less titles 

that’s a good laugh that tweet 

Edited February 17, 2018 by GunnerWanderer

[Paul01]

14 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

If the var was around in the Sir alex era Man Utd probably would have 5 less titles 

that’s a good laugh that tweet 

Could the English FA and EPL sink the VAR?

One can only hope it's use can modified.

[Edinburgh]

That's not a fair comparison. The two stills are at slightly different times. On the left the ball has already been kicked and the kicker's leg is in follow through. On the right is when the ball is kicked. Using the penalty area as a guide, looks offside to me.

I still don't support the VAR.

I tried to stop the Ikonomidis non goal at the point of contact foot with ball and couldn't. I could see he was onside just before contact and offside just after. How was that a clear error?

[tardotz]

The only hope that we have for the VAR to be canned is either a major stuff up in the EPL or even better the World Cup.

[mack]

Here's the "official" lines the VAR apparently used to decide he was offside.

 

[HillsPanther]

5 hours ago, tardotz said:

The only hope that we have for the VAR to be canned is either a major stuff up in the EPL or even better the World Cup.

Australia beats France in the 2018 WC group stage due to a controversial VAR decision. FIFA bans VAR forever.

[btron3000]

4 hours ago, mack said:

Here's the "official" lines the VAR apparently used to decide he was offside.

 

Hahahaha look at the angle of the lines compared to the 18 yard box line!

[luisenrique]

That can't be real. What?? How?? How are those the 'official' lines?? 

[Paul01]

Card watch full games up to Round 20

 highest yellows first

Card Watch based on HAL team stats

Brisbane.... 51yc (2.55 yc/game; 16.3 fouls conc/game), 0 x 2y, 2 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Wanderers. 49yc (2.45yc/game; 16.8 fouls conc/game) 2 x 2y, 1 red, 5 sus for 5 yc

Adelaide.....43yc (2.15yc/game, 14.5 fouls conc/game), 2 x 2yc, 2 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Perth...........43yc (2.15yc/game; 13.6 fouls conc/game), 0 x2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Mariners.....42yc (2.10yc/game; 13.0 fouls conc/game), 3 x 2y, 3 red, 3 sus for 5yc

Phoenix.......41yc (2.05yc/game; 13.6 fouls conc/game) 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Newcastle...40yc (2.00yc/game; 14.6 fouls conc/game), 0 x 2y, 0 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Melb vic.......39yc (1.95yc/game; 17.5 fouls conc/game) 1 x 2y, 2 red, 3 sus for 5 yc

Heartless.... 34yc (1.70yc/game; 15.5 fouls conc/game), 1 x 2y, 4 red, 1 sus for 5 yc

Smurfs.........28yc (1.40yc/game; 12.6 fouls conc/game) 0 x 2y, 1 red, 2 sus for 5 yc

Suspensions Round 21

Wiltshire, Risdon, Shane Lowry, Gulum

[mack]

A billion red cards, game abandoned.

https://streamable.com/rihwa