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Never asked for var technology, knew it would be a travesty 

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On 12/01/2020 at 6:44 PM, Edinburgh said:
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“Every year in the A-League people said ‘it’s the worst standard of refereeing ever’.

“Now that’s been replaced with ‘VAR is killing the game’.

Not replaced, added.

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Had to double check what you said there, no way an ex-referee comes out & makes a negative comment towards current referees.

I’ve being told that referees are a very insular community, anyone who speaks out gets kicked out of the inner circle.

5 hours ago, SomeGuy1977 said:

“Every year in the A-League people said ‘it’s the worst standard of refereeing ever’.

This is hard to disagree, the only overriding factor has been the Iranian referee. He has managed to lift standards in the league, he is literally in a league of his own.

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15 hours ago, Prydzopolis said:

I’ve being told that referees are a very insular community, anyone who speaks out gets kicked out of the inner circle.

That is 100% accurate. 

Happens at all levels. My son was asked to assist an NPL referee for a final in school competition game and did what he always does in our grassroots games, flags fouls and foul throws. He was told that not to call unless the players complain because that is what happens in NPL. The central ref did say that he was making correct calls though

So there is group-think at NPL as well. 

It sucks that the referees across all levels are not enforcing the Laws of the Game consistently across all levels of the game. It really grinds my gears.:pappoiya:

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tbh there is a bit of reason to it

When I refereed some local Prems games, I let a lot go. There is a general expectation that football is a contact sport so there will be contact, there will be barging around and there will be a bit of pushing and shoving. When it gets too much, I call a foul.

Meanwhile, in Division 9 All Age Men’s, if a player so much taps you on the shoulder while you’re in possession, the player basically stops and looks at me with a COME ON REF ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO LET THAT GO look on his face 

And of course if someone comes in with an ill-timed slide tackle, it’s not “oh whoops sorry”, it’s a personal affront to the player and an all in brawl starts and I hear WTF BRO SOME OF US HAVE WORK TOMORROW WTF IS THAT YOU TRYING TO TAKE ME OUT HUH ILL MEET YOU AT THE CARPARK AT HALF TIME YEAH SEE HOW TOUGH YOU ARE THEN

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3 hours ago, Unlimited said:

tbh there is a bit of reason to it

When I refereed some local Prems games, I let a lot go. There is a general expectation that football is a contact sport so there will be contact, there will be barging around and there will be a bit of pushing and shoving. When it gets too much, I call a foul.

Meanwhile, in Division 9 All Age Men’s, if a player so much taps you on the shoulder while you’re in possession, the player basically stops and looks at me with a COME ON REF ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO LET THAT GO look on his face 

And of course if someone comes in with an ill-timed slide tackle, it’s not “oh whoops sorry”, it’s a personal affront to the player and an all in brawl starts and I hear WTF BRO SOME OF US HAVE WORK TOMORROW WTF IS THAT YOU TRYING TO TAKE ME OUT HUH ILL MEET YOU AT THE CARPARK AT HALF TIME YEAH SEE HOW TOUGH YOU ARE THEN

When it's 50:50  No foul

The considerations are

Is it a foul? Yes or no

If it is a foul, is it careless, reckless or excessive force ( plus speed of tackle, point of contact on the opponent, location on the field and any other factor that come into the decision). If you look at the afc considerations,  our Australian NPL and A-league give lip service to them when being assessed for Fifa appointments but routinely fail to apply them locally 

I still want consistency across all Levels of game from Mens dev 12 to A-league. 

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34 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

still want consistency across all Levels of game from Mens dev 12 to A-league. 

I have to agree with unlimited on this especially with foul recognition.

Our new Iranian referee has shown that you can let some careless fouls go to let the game breathe. Personally I differ the way I Referee a game depending on whom I referee:

4 hours ago, Unlimited said:

When I refereed some local Prems games, I let a lot go. There is a general expectation that football is a contact sport so there will be contact, there will be barging around and there will be a bit of pushing and shoving. When it gets too much, I call a foul.

The key is that these guys main focus & aim, is that they want to play football. The higher you go up the ladder (theoretically of course). If two players go in hard for a challenge, both will probably get themselves up & accept the outcome.

4 hours ago, Unlimited said:

And of course if someone comes in with an ill-timed slide tackle, it’s not “oh whoops sorry”, it’s a personal affront to the player and an all in brawl starts and I hear WTF BRO SOME OF US HAVE WORK TOMORROW WTF IS THAT YOU TRYING TO TAKE ME OUT HUH ILL MEET YOU AT THE CARPARK AT HALF TIME YEAH SEE HOW TOUGH YOU ARE THEN

I find you generally have some people that need to let off steam & it just so happens to be at your match on the weekend :rolleyes: In saying that, I have seen some pretty despicable challenges at this level & generally especially if it is the type I’ve mentioned above, malice is intended.

So I have to agree with you Paul, yes we need consistency on things handball law, dissent, sin bins but I generally find that the way you’d approach a u6’s game, will be different to a WAA5, which will be different to a AA9’s which will be different to a PL game. You need to adjust your approach especially around foul recognition & how much heat you allow in the game.

Even in a game, I find myself trying to let a game breathe, when the game gets too heated & cards aren’t working, then you start to pick up smaller fouls. You’re not being consistent, but I feel that refereeing has changed now to be more about creating a contest & giving the players a blank canvas. 

I do agree with your point on consistency but I find that teams get to understand your style after a few games. 

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16 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

will be different to a WAA5, which will be different to a AA9’

Of course there is difference. There usually isn't much heat in a WAA5 game compared to any AA game. 

The issue we started is the group think of Australian A-League referees and I introduced NPL referees. It is hard these supposedly better qualified refs do not enforce the LOTG for us at grassroots.

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1 hour ago, Paul01 said:

Of course there is difference. There usually isn't much heat in a WAA5 game compared

You see, you say that but I’ve found that the woman are more clever than men when it comes to fouls & niggly stuff. Much better at the type of stuff that is more covert than just hard & stupid. Heat can develop in different ways.

1 hour ago, Paul01 said:

The issue we started is the group think of Australian A-League referees

Yes, I have been disappointed with our officials this season. Reza has been a sort of Bandaid solution that doesn’t solve problems but makes them look better. The standard of refereeing has been average but so many big blunders.

I’d love to stand up & defend them but all too often I’m dumbfounded at all sorts of things. Certainly makes our job at grass roots that much more difficult.

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35 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

The standard of refereeing has been average but so many big blunders.

I have to disagree, the standard is actually poor.

Faghani is an outlier, without him the average out of 10 would be about 3.

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