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The ARU’s stance in backing a new stadium at Moore Park came as a state government spokesperson confirmed talks had resumed with the NRL as they look to finalise a deal which will convince Ayres to release the $1.6 billion he has committed to Sydney stadiums.

 

“The government and the NRL have met as planned, and discussions are continuing,†the spokesperson said.

 

While the NRL has voiced its support for a new stadium at Moore Park, the Sydney clubs are overwhelmingly in favour of dir­ecting the vast majority of funds to turning ANZ Stadium into a truly rectangular stadium.

 

The club stance has resulted in an inability for the NRL to guarantee the 65-game quota being targeted by the state government. It is understood the clubs are also concerned about the state government’s plans for suburban stadiums as well as the NRL’s desire to take over the lease agreement with the venues.

 

As a result of the argy-bargy, the NRL was forced to ask the state government for an extension after missing last week’s deadline for the 65-game commitment.

 

It is understood the clubs have given the NRL a commitment that they will refrain from discussing the issue publicly as they look to reach a resolution.

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/aru-backs-new-moore-park-super-stadium/news-story/2ab8313dada87c6d3123566b7bf927dd

 

The talks between the government and the NRL and its clubs have resumed and you can see the opposing viewpoints and proposals from the articles I have posted above.

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btron3000

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Man I've read so many different things I'm confused.

 

The clubs want a 75k rectangular Homebush and a refurbed SFS, plus cash for minor suburban upgrades. Pretty sure I've got that part right

 

If the Ayres plan gets up, we get a new Moore Park 55k-60k seater and what happens to ANZ? Nothing? Plus what happens to the SFS?

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Potkorok

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I have just written a letter to the Premier's office outlining why any new stadium at Moore Park would be a terrible waste of money - highlighted that for all its faults, ANZ is just so much easier to get to for most of us Westies - I have relatives who live up the Blue Mountains  and in Newcastle who will not go to Allianz because of the hassle but will go to Homebush because they can leave the car at our place and catch the major event buses. Build the new Parramatta Stadium, rebuild ANZ as a true rectangular ground and give Allianz a bit of a makeover. Not holding my breath for a reply, but we should all flood his email!! Didn't bother sending it to Stuart Ayres as I didn't think there was much point.......

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Swifty

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Rugby

ARU backs building of new stadium at Moore Park but says Allianz must remain during construction

April 6, 2016 9:00pm

IAIN PAYTENThe Daily Telegraph

 

It would likely still be a 75,000-seat ANZ Stadium but some argue 50,000-seat stadiums like Suncorp Stadium or a new venue at Moore Park — with premium pricing — can yield a similar return

 

The capacity to draw big crowds during a renovation at ANZ Stadium or Allianz Stadium is clearly a concern for the ARU, with Pulver appearing to indicate they may even seek financial compensation, at the threat of taking “content†away from the stadia network. The threat also covers the ARU also getting access to it preferred stadia under the new network plan.

 

The ARU position on a new Moore Park stadium which goes against the current stance of Premier Mike Baird and state cabinet which is to build any new Moore Park Stadium on the existing site and is more closely aligned with the proposal being advocated by Stuart Ayres and the SCG trustees.

Basically what I argued a couple of pages back. Corporates want all the big events to be at a Moore Park stadium which will only happen if they do a complete rebuild. The demographics of our captains of industry would place them very much in the GPS old boys rugby camp.

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Rugby

ARU backs building of new stadium at Moore Park but says Allianz must remain during construction

April 6, 2016 9:00pm

IAIN PAYTENThe Daily Telegraph

 

It would likely still be a 75,000-seat ANZ Stadium but some argue 50,000-seat stadiums like Suncorp Stadium or a new venue at Moore Park — with premium pricing — can yield a similar return

 

The capacity to draw big crowds during a renovation at ANZ Stadium or Allianz Stadium is clearly a concern for the ARU, with Pulver appearing to indicate they may even seek financial compensation, at the threat of taking “content†away from the stadia network. The threat also covers the ARU also getting access to it preferred stadia under the new network plan.

 

The ARU position on a new Moore Park stadium which goes against the current stance of Premier Mike Baird and state cabinet which is to build any new Moore Park Stadium on the existing site and is more closely aligned with the proposal being advocated by Stuart Ayres and the SCG trustees.

Basically what I argued a couple of pages back. Corporates want all the big events to be at a Moore Park stadium which will only happen if they do a complete rebuild. The demographics of our captains of industry would place them very much in the GPS old boys rugby camp.

100%.

 

Sydney to them ends at about balmain.

 

****ers.

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FCWanderers

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NRL agrees to put forward clubs' plan for stadia to NSW government

 

April 7, 2016 - 6:25PM

 

Michael Chammas and Brad Walter

 

A five-point plan drawn up by Sydney clubs favouring a 72,000-seat rectangular ANZ Stadium will be put forward by the NRL when it meets with the NSW government next week over the allocation of $1.2 billion stadium investment.

 

Fairfax Media has obtained the document the clubs presented to the NRL at Canterbury Leagues Club a week ago, with the ARL Commission agreeing at a meeting on Thursday to table the proposal to the government after premier Mike Baird returns from overseas on Monday.

 

While it may not be the preferred position of the NRL, the commissioners believe it's vital the money be spent on facilities for rugby league and will inevitably support the clubs' position if they fail to convince them to back a new 55,000-seat stadium at Moore Park.

 

As it stands, the majority of Sydney clubs prefer a $600 to $700 million refurbishment to turn ANZ Stadium into a 72,000-seat permanent rectangular venue, but the NRL and sports minister Stuart Ayres favour a knock down and rebuild of Allianz Stadium.

 

The clubs also want $200 million from the government to upgrade their respective suburban grounds and build high-performance centres.

The priority of investment the clubs presented to the NRL last week outlines the unanimous support for a new stadium at Parramatta, while preference is for a refurbished Allianz Stadium over a new stadium on or near the existing site.

 

With Baird growing increasingly frustrated with the lack of consensus within the game, Ayres put an April 1 deadline on the NRL to gain a 65-game commitment from NRL clubs to play games at the network of major stadiums.

The NRL failed to convince clubs to commit and have received an extension from government.

 

However, the clubs have indicated they would agree to the 65-game demand if the NRL backs the following list of priorities the clubs presented at the meeting last Friday:

 

1. Continued progress on the work to replace Parramatta Stadium of up to 35,000.

 

2. The reconfiguration and major investment in ANZ Stadium with a $600M-$700M investment to transform the seating arrangements, reducing its capacity to 72,000, creating a seating bowl to surpass Suncorp Stadium and new and improved customer facilities and services. This is a permanent rectangle.

 

3. That the ANZ investment follow the Parramatta Stadium works as the second priority for the NSW government

 

4. A refurbishment of Allianz stadium of $450M to overhaul the spectator experience, including revamped corporate facilities, providing a capacity of up to 42,000 and a new multi-story car park to be used for matches and for week-day city commuters accessing light rail. This will ensure that the NRL Central and Rugby League Museum is retained on its current site

 

5. A pool of $200M of capital funds to support suburban field enhancements and High Performance Centre Development in consultation with the clubs.

 

Under the clubs' proposal, it is likely the Sydney Roosters, Cronulla Sharks and Manly Sea Eagles would share the use of Allianz Stadium, while South Sydney, Canterbury, St George Illawarra and Wests would play out of the Olympic stadium.

 

The Penrith Panthers will play a handful of games out of the Eels' permanent home base, while the Tigers and Dragons are also believed to be exploring options in Parramatta given their support in the region.

 

Football Federation Australia boss David Gallop has backed the clubs' push to ensure ANZ Stadium gets a major revamp, but highlighted the need for Allianz Stadium to receive a facelift.

 

The NSW government also requires the NRL to make a long-term commitment to playing premium matches like State of Origin and grand finals in Sydney if it is to invest over a billion dollars into the future of the game.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/nrl-agrees-to-put-forward-clubs-plan-for-stadia-to-nsw-government-20160407-go0pas.html

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AFL and cricket could be beneficiaries of NRL infighting over stadia investment

 

April 7, 2016 - 5:57PM

 

Chris Barrett

 

The AFL and cricket are ready to pounce as the infighting between NRL clubs, League Central and the Macquarie Street stalls the $1.6 billion stadia investment with suggestions the completion of the SCG upgrade could jump the queue on the State government's priority list.

 

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres has warned that $1bn in funding announced last September is at risk if a resolution is not reached on whether to rebuild ANZ Stadium or have a new 55,000-seat venue constructed at Moore Park.

 

The majority of clubs want ANZ to receive a $600 to $700 million renovation to turn it into a permanent rectangular stadium, while Ayres and the NRL are backing an $800m knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium.

 

While planning is already well underway for work to start on the new $300m, 35,000-seat Parramatta stadium, Ayres' warning that the $1bn additional funding allocated last year could be dumped has rival sports in a position to potentially take advantage.

 

The completion of the SCG upgrade was part of the Baird government's stadiums announcement last September but was listed beneath the stated priority, the new Parramatta venue, and its other plans: a new Moore Park stadium, a redevelopment of the Olympic Stadium, a new indoor arena near the CBD and a new outer-western venue.

 

A missed opportunity for the NRL, though, could be seized upon by the SCG's tenants, the AFL and cricket.

 

The SCG upgrade, which would follow the $197.5m revamp of the Noble, Bradman and Messenger Stands and include new AFL media broadcast facilities in the Churchill/Brewongle stands, would lift the famous ground's capacity above 50,000.

 

A spokesman for Ayres would not comment on Thursday when asked where funds would be directed if the major rectangular stadium investment was scrapped.

 

But the AFL and cricket have much to gain from such a scenario. The Sydney Swans have signed a long-term deal to play their home matches at the SCG and the precinct's master plan also includes new high-performance cricket facilities which are badly needed to replace an out-dated training base that is lagging behind other states.

 

"The AFL presented to the state government some 12 months ago and we have had fantastic historical support from governments in NSW for infrastructure at venues our game uses," AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said on Thursday.

 

"At this time this is a discussion between the state government and the NRL clubs and we have no involvement in this process."

An ideal timeframe in terms of cricket would be completing the SCG upgrade in time for Australia's hosting of the 2020 World Twenty20 tournament although cricket would likely to be loath to have a reduced capacity for the next Ashes series in the summer of 2017/18.

 

A Cricket Australia spokesman said: "NSW Government has been enormously supportive of cricket infrastructure at the SCG over the last few years. We would of course welcome any moves to see the final stages of the SCG redevelopment completed in the short term."

 

Further west, there is a proposal to extend the capacity of Spotless Stadium - the home of the Greater Western Sydney Giants in the AFL and Big Bash League champions Sydney Thunder - from 25,000 to 30,000.

 

That master plan includes extensions to two grandstands as well as the building of cricket training facilities.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/afl-and-cricket-could-be-beneficiaries-of-nrl-infighting-over-stadia-investment-20160407-go0x9j.html

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AFL and cricket could be beneficiaries of NRL infighting over stadia investment

 

April 7, 2016 - 5:57PM

 

Chris Barrett

 

The AFL and cricket are ready to pounce as the infighting between NRL clubs, League Central and the Macquarie Street stalls the $1.6 billion stadia investment with suggestions the completion of the SCG upgrade could jump the queue on the State government's priority list.

 

NSW Sports Minister Stuart Ayres has warned that $1bn in funding announced last September is at risk if a resolution is not reached on whether to rebuild ANZ Stadium or have a new 55,000-seat venue constructed at Moore Park.

 

The majority of clubs want ANZ to receive a $600 to $700 million renovation to turn it into a permanent rectangular stadium, while Ayres and the NRL are backing an $800m knockdown and rebuild of Allianz Stadium.

 

While planning is already well underway for work to start on the new $300m, 35,000-seat Parramatta stadium, Ayres' warning that the $1bn additional funding allocated last year could be dumped has rival sports in a position to potentially take advantage.

 

The completion of the SCG upgrade was part of the Baird government's stadiums announcement last September but was listed beneath the stated priority, the new Parramatta venue, and its other plans: a new Moore Park stadium, a redevelopment of the Olympic Stadium, a new indoor arena near the CBD and a new outer-western venue.

 

A missed opportunity for the NRL, though, could be seized upon by the SCG's tenants, the AFL and cricket.

 

The SCG upgrade, which would follow the $197.5m revamp of the Noble, Bradman and Messenger Stands and include new AFL media broadcast facilities in the Churchill/Brewongle stands, would lift the famous ground's capacity above 50,000.

 

A spokesman for Ayres would not comment on Thursday when asked where funds would be directed if the major rectangular stadium investment was scrapped.

 

But the AFL and cricket have much to gain from such a scenario. The Sydney Swans have signed a long-term deal to play their home matches at the SCG and the precinct's master plan also includes new high-performance cricket facilities which are badly needed to replace an out-dated training base that is lagging behind other states.

 

"The AFL presented to the state government some 12 months ago and we have had fantastic historical support from governments in NSW for infrastructure at venues our game uses," AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan said on Thursday.

 

"At this time this is a discussion between the state government and the NRL clubs and we have no involvement in this process."

An ideal timeframe in terms of cricket would be completing the SCG upgrade in time for Australia's hosting of the 2020 World Twenty20 tournament although cricket would likely to be loath to have a reduced capacity for the next Ashes series in the summer of 2017/18.

 

A Cricket Australia spokesman said: "NSW Government has been enormously supportive of cricket infrastructure at the SCG over the last few years. We would of course welcome any moves to see the final stages of the SCG redevelopment completed in the short term."

 

Further west, there is a proposal to extend the capacity of Spotless Stadium - the home of the Greater Western Sydney Giants in the AFL and Big Bash League champions Sydney Thunder - from 25,000 to 30,000.

 

That master plan includes extensions to two grandstands as well as the building of cricket training facilities.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/afl-and-cricket-could-be-beneficiaries-of-nrl-infighting-over-stadia-investment-20160407-go0x9j.html

 

 

Yeah right this is what we need, more upgrades and new facilities for cricket and AFL. They can just f*ck right off. 

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I love how every time Allianz is mentioned in an article they discuss improving corporate facilities, but not once have I read about their desire to improve wheelchair accessibility in and around the stadium

Come on Alex, it's only 2016. Places like Wentworthville station is finally getting with the times and putting in lifts as we speak...Barangaroo Casino Pit is much more important and more of a priority, as is blowing up $7 million each NYE off the coathanger. FFS   :smurfnono:

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I love how every time Allianz is mentioned in an article they discuss improving corporate facilities, but not once have I read about their desire to improve wheelchair accessibility in and around the stadium

 

Come on Alex, it's only 2016. Places like Wentworthville station is finally getting with the times and putting in lifts as we speak...Barangaroo Casino Pit is much more important and more of a priority, as is blowing up $7 million each NYE off the coathanger. FFS   :smurfnono:

They would jump if the wheelchairs were brought from our good friends at Toyota, and Holden...if the SCG Trust had a line in providing accessibility there would be a sudden plan for world class facilities

 

Spectators seem like the last consideration in this money grab

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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2016/04/07/les-murray-our-beautiful-game-needs-home

Looking at Sydney... why they would even look at the SFS as the main hub for Sydney makes NO sense... here's a diagram to illustrate my point:

 

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The thing is, they want a stadium close to the CBD so people who work in the CBD can go straight to the new stadium for Origin, Stupid 15s rugby game etc etc. This is a backwards planning by Ayr and the government. The main issue is that companies and other enterprises are shifting west to Parramatta, Homebush, Macquarie Park, Rhodes, and there will be more people working out west. 

 

This idea to have the stadium there at Moore park is just ridiculous!, After going to the WCQ against Jordan, KO at 8pm but game finishes before 10, you got a long ass journey back out to the west and depending where you live, it takes 2 or more hours just get home and I was home by 1am. Now compare this to our home game friday night and the bulldogs game that I went to at Belmore on Monday night, our game on friday night finished before 9.30 but I was home 10.30, after the bulldogs game, finished before 9, I got home at 9.45pm. Clubs like the sharks and Manly will not accept this cause this is not fair on their supporters and not many of them are willing to travel more than an 1 hour each way to watch their team play a home game at some neutral venue.

 

If the rebuild of the SFS goes ahead this will probably be the death of this Government.

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NSW

SCG refurbishment will proceed if NRL clubs don’t agree to new stadium at Moore Park

April 8, 2016 12:00am

EXCLUSIVE Andrew ClennellThe Daily Telegraph

 

THE Sydney Cricket Ground will be redeveloped instead of a new stadium being built at Moore Park if the NRL does not agree to Sports Minister Stuart Ayres’ stadium plans.

 

State government sources have confirmed that an SCG refurbishment is the plan should NRL clubs not agree to a new 55,000-seat stadium at Moore Park — a slap in the face to rugby league and a win for cricket and AFL.

 

That would mean $300 ­million for Parramatta Stadium and $300 million for the SCG from the government, while the rest of the $1.6 billion promised late last year for stadiums would go into the Rebuilding­ NSW infrastructure fund.

 

The extraordinary threat comes after the AFL — which has an interest in an SCG ­redevelopment — had recent meetings with Premier Mike Baird as Sydney rugby league clubs continue to oppose Mr Ayres’ new SFS plans.

 

“If the NRL and the clubs cannot sort themselves out, the government is considering doing the SCG upgrade above rectangular venues,†a senior government source said.

 

“People inside the government are envious of the ­success of Adelaide Oval.â€

 

The Daily Telegraph yesterday revealed Mr Ayres had warned the $1.6 billion stadium deal was in danger of collapse, with the government position that there are no options but to start looking at alternatives if the clubs continue to try to “dictate the spendâ€.

 

Rather than take the clubs’ option of turning ANZ Stadium at Homebush into a ­rectangular stadium and refurbishing the SFS, Mr Ayres is prepared to junk the lot if he does not get his way with the new stadium — but will keep building the new Parramatta stadium and redevelop the SCG’s O’Reilly stand and complete the Brewongle Stand.

 

The NRL is expected to come back to the government in the next week with a position on the stadium issue after eight of the nine NRL clubs voted to oppose the new stadium. Mr Baird is expected to take control of the issue when he returns from Israel.

 

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/scg-refurbishment-will-proceed-if-nrl-clubs-dont-agree-to-new-stadium-at-moore-park/news-story/38d7ff75a9b092d1c88dce2e861e7b9e

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Swifty

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Wow. Suddenly the threat is that they will give it to scg..

 

Stuart Ayres must be dropping threatening media releases every 5 minutes.

 

More unnamed sources too. Love those unnamed sources.

Ayres is nothing but persistent - by hook or by crook I will give a shedload of taxpayer money to my friends in the SCG Trust.

 

 

 

Which happen to be the same friends and corporates that will back me in any future political ladder climbing....

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