Football Media Discussion

[West13]

 

^^^ how was the atmosphere from up top? The victory fans up there piped down a beauty after santas goal!

 

Also.. you know you've made it when Campbell Brown is calling you out on twitter.. yeah the bloke that broke his team mate's jaw with king hit.

Haha it was epic there were quite a few of us upstairs also and when the equaliser flew in there were stunned faces all round. The we ****ed your mum chant could be heard loud and clear haha... The vic fans in front of me were impressed with our support. Everyone on social media are outraged lol Why isnt there any outrage over the continual pisshead behaviour displayed at the rugby or cricket...

Faux outrage. Plus we are easy to hate. I love it.

[lloydy136]

I am developing a healthy dislike for ray gatt.

[wsw2154]

 

 

^^^ how was the atmosphere from up top? The victory fans up there piped down a beauty after santas goal!

 

Also.. you know you've made it when Campbell Brown is calling you out on twitter.. yeah the bloke that broke his team mate's jaw with king hit.

Haha it was epic there were quite a few of us upstairs also and when the equaliser flew in there were stunned faces all round. The we ****ed your mum chant could be heard loud and clear haha... The vic fans in front of me were impressed with our support. Everyone on social media are outraged lol Why isnt there any outrage over the continual pisshead behaviour displayed at the rugby or cricket...

Faux outrage. Plus we are easy to hate. I love it.

From an atmosphere perspective the loud bangs were not the best and i can see why everyone is up in arms over it... However the fans were well behaved i didnt see any fights in the ground...i didnt see anything being thrown around...i saw a flare lit in the melbourne home end... Yet our fan base are all "scum" according to the plebs that dont even watch the aleague let alone know what football is.

[pys]

I am developing a healthy dislike for ray gatt.

this is there time in the sun they know how it works there is not a market for reporting on popas tactics gatt and leach on every radio today fueling outrage justyfing a job working for tabloids

[West13]

I am developing a healthy dislike for ray gatt.

What took you so long? The guy is a ****wit.

[Guest NSWanderer15]

Channel 10? Bloody hell, they can't talk they get **** ratings unless it's the big bore league and their channel needs to get bailed out more often than not since idiots run that asylum and not to mention if the fox bid would have passed they would have possibly got 1 A League game per week, FLOGS.

[beatsurrender]

Quote:

Football Federation Australia has kicked off negotiations on the richest television deal in its 11-year history by targeting a doubling in the price of its media rights with more free-to-air coverage.

 

David Gallop, chief executive of the FFA, has hired London-based strategic adviser Oliver & Ohlbaum to help obliterate soccer’s previous four-year $160 million broadcast deal with Fox Sports Australia and SBS.

 

O&O’s clients include Europe’s top-tier football competitions — the English Premier League and Germany’s Bundesliga.

 

Administrators are said to be confident of achieving a big rise in the value, potentially up to $80m annually — a massive 100 per cent rise in the value of the rights.

 

Speaking to The Australian, Mr Gallop confirmed he had started a tender process, saying: “There’s no set timetable but with a year to go on the current deal we recognise it’s a good time to be out and about talking to the potential partnersâ€.

 

Amid concern about soft ratings for Friday night A-League matches on SBS, football authorities have decided to end this arrangement once the current deal lapses. They also believe they can extract more value from a deal with FTA commercial networks because SBS relies on some funding from the federal government for its share of the rights.

 

Asked if he was seeking a bigger free-to-air deal, Mr Gallop said: “While recognising the investment of Fox Sports we think commercial free-to-air coverage of our bigger A-League games will help us both grow the sport.â€

 

It is understood the Seven, Nine and Ten networks have all indicated to the FFA they will ­participate in talks, confident football can attain significantly higher ratings that it does now on public broadcaster SBS.

 

Incumbent rights holder Fox Sports is keen to retain its rights, according to chief executive ­Patrick Delany.

 

“It’s a sleeping giant in an ­incredibly competitive sports landscape here in Australia. This is a very important one for us; it falls into the live and local bucket,†Mr Delany said. “We need to work out how we can continue to grow football and make sure it has the right amount of money to do that.â€

 

The deal, which includes A-league matches, Socceroo games and the Asian Cup tournament, is in its third year.

 

The three main commercial networks believe strong public ­interest in new A-League franchises like the Western Sydney Wanderers and last year’s International Champions Cup is evidence that football has plenty of room for growth in Australia.

 

ICC broadcaster Nine attracted more than 1 million viewers for matches involving Real Madrid, Manchester City FC and AS Roma. “Over the summer despite the intense competition from Big Bash and more recently the Australian Open, our crowds and TV ratings have held up well. Australian football is a unique product given that the A-League is only 11 years old; it’s sport content where the quality is very much linked to the level of rights fees that we are able to generate,†Mr Gallop said.

 

“As opposed to the other big football codes we can lift the skill level of our competition and the overall quality by attracting overseas talent and retaining the best domestic talent if our rights fees are set at the appropriate level.

 

Asked about the prospect of a price rise in line with recent gains secured by the AFL and NRL, Gallop said: “We’re confident about our sport and very hopeful the broadcasters will recognise that an investment in Australian football will help us grow the game.â€

 

It comes after the AFL signed a $2.508 billion agreement with Seven, Foxtel and Telstra for six years, and the NRL clinched a $1.8bn five-year TV agreement with Nine, Fox Sports and Telstra.

 

The boom in sports rights reflects shifts in the TV industry as viewers watch more programs on demand, skipping ads. The FFA’s move could put pressure on Cricket Australia’s the Big Bash League to bring forward negotiations.

[Guest NSWanderer15]

The best part to come out of that article is even Patrick Delaney can see the sport is a sleeping giant waiting to be awoken, watch out gAyFL & NRL when that happens.

[DCWSW]

Gatty failed to say that the problem people are only a small minority and his article makes it sound like the whole RBB are thugs...

[Guest NSWanderer15]

Gatty failed to say that the problem people are only a small minority and his article makes it sound like the whole RBB are thugs...

Basically the Mainstream Media have this biased view, it's their only way to get at the fans and make themselves feel valued and look like tough people.

[DCWSW]

Gatty failed to say that the problem people are only a small minority and his article makes it sound like the whole RBB are thugs...

I retract this comment

[pys]

K so according to media you must not pass on information about a player misbehaving or your a grub

 

You must actively gather information despite not being there for that purpose on people who misbehave or your a grub

[beatsurrender]

From The Guardian

 

 

Australian football’s remarkable ability to shoot itself in the foot was on full display in round 18 with the A-League agenda once again hijacked by off-field indiscretions.

 

The week’s news cycle was triggered 15 minutes into Melbourne Victory’s home fixture with Western Sydney Wanderers on Saturday night when a series of flares and detonators were activated in the bay holding the sizeable travelling support. Referee Ben Williams paused the game for around a minute to allow a cloud of acrid smoke to dissipate from Etihad Stadium, immediately after which Victory scored. A pocket of home fans celebrated by lighting a flare.

 

Football Federation Australia threatens A-League bans for fans over use of flares

“The behaviour of some fans and in particular a section of the Western Sydney Wanderers fans at last night’s match was unacceptable and will not be tolerated,†said FFA CEO David Gallop on Sunday. The inquest into fan behaviour will rumble on over the coming days, fuelled by whatever punishment FFA hands down.

 

The governing body is in an invidious position. Fail to crack down hard on a perceived hooligan element and the organisation will be castigated by the mainstream audience it’s courting desperately. But by handing out draconian punishments FFA risks stretching already fragile relationships with active supporters to breaking point. Furthermore, FFA has long made the febrile atmosphere of A-League matches its unique selling point.

 

It’s a vicious cycle that shows no sign of resolution. Fans, resentful they can’t emulate the bacchanalian scenes in Europe and South America, act out for attention. This feeds the beast of anyone looking to take a potshot at the A-League for being bad old soccer. FFA then articulates the only position it can, reassuring the mainstream, and reinforcing supporter discontent for not looking out for its core audience.

 

 

 

Flares are now code, shorthand for the suspicion outsiders have on football culture. Nights like Saturday, with shirtless, tattooed, Western Sydney men illuminated by flare-light, only serves to reinforce these fears. Contrast that with the largely indifferent to reported 81 patrons from a similar sized crowd being ejected from the Sydney Sevens rugby.

 

FFA will try to spin the situation as a few bad apples. It should be noted however that the Wanderers bay was at its loudest and most vibrant when it had its pyrotechnical accompaniment. There was no hint of self-policing.

 

Social media is an unreliable witness but here too there exists plenty of support not only for flares but also for what they represent in the battle for cultural custodianship of football in Australia. When the point is made that flares are not an Australian phenomenon the response reflects frustration at the infantilism of Australian supporters by authorities and the Anglicisation of football culture. Topics familiar to generations past.

 

 

 

This is apparent most clearly in a wave of younger supporters, drawn to the game as much through the allure of active support as by the promise of live professional football. To this new breed, where clips of grand pyrotechnic displays are readily accessible, there is a particular discontent with the tut-tutting of older heads.

 

It’s worth pausing at this point to reflect that it is possible to be both an active supporter and not light flares. Moreover, to choose to light a flare in the current climate you have to be an attention seeking moron. How do you even source a flare anyway? And then smuggle one into a football stadium?

 

On the field it was a dream round for Brisbane Roar. Predictably they slaughtered Central Coast Mariners who turned in an abject defensive performance at Suncorp Stadium. Less predictably, Roar were the only side in the top six to claim all three points.

 

Adelaide United played out an entertaining draw with Sydney FC with a line-up influenced by Tuesday’s Asian Champions League qualifying play-off. Now 10 matches unbeaten, the Reds are positioning themselves nicely for the run home.

 

Victory and the Wanderers also shared the spoils in a match dominated by the visitors. It took an 89th minute thunderbolt from supersub Brendon Santalab to snatch a point for the ladder leaders, but it was the least they deserved for bossing a high intensity game and coming up against Danny Vukovic in season-best form. With Carl Valeri now ruled out for the rest of the season and an ACL campaign about to commence, it looks an increasingly tall order for Kevin Muscat to mastermind a title defence with the squad at his disposal.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/feb/08/talking-points-ffa-cannot-win-after-trouble-flares-once-again-in-a-league

[Guest NSWanderer15]

And now that the rights are in effect, hopefully the game at least gets $80 million or more and gets a major free to air coverage. That will be the biggest middle finger to the haters.

[beatsurrender]

and from News Corp

 

Quote

 

Oliver Murray,news.com.au

 

OPINION

 

THE morons ripping flares at A-League games are doing more damage to football than any of the perceived “enemies†of the game.

 

I’ve had enough of “wannabe ultras†ruining the game and club I love.

 

After Saturday night’s A-League game between champions Melbourne Victory and Western Sydney Wanderers, we should have been talking about the action on the field.

 

After conceding an early goal at Etihad Stadium, the Wanderers completely dominated the reigning champions only for Victory goalkeeper Danny Vukovic to come to the home side’s rescue.

 

The Wanderers finally equalised with a stunning goal from super sub Brendon Santalab with two minutes to go and were unlucky to not take all three points.

 

It was as dominating display as you’ll see an away side produce against the Victory this season.

 

But rather than that being the talking point, it has been focused on the stack of flares and detonators that were left off by fans within the travelling Wanderers section.

 

(It’s worth noting a flare was also set off by the Victory’s active supporters as well).

 

The smoke on the field led to the game being stopped in the first half, with Victory scoring against the run of play when it resumed.

 

There are some football fans who think pyro is part of the atmosphere at games, pointing to leagues in Europe and South America.

 

But flares are illegal in Australia and anyone found with one at a game faces a massive ban.

 

So what happens? These idiots light them then throw them to avoid detection.

 

It’s only a matter of time before a ball boy or girl / security guard / police officer or a player is hit with a flare. Then wait for the headlines.

 

Which seems to be another complaint from some football fans: “The media is against us.â€

 

Yet we continue to have a minority of idiots who give certain sections of media plenty of good reasons to give our game a kick.

 

But the biggest enemy of football in Australia isn’t the mainstream media or the FFA.

 

It’s morons who want to play out their Green Street Hooligans fantasy on A-League terraces.

 

Every time an incident like this overshadows the action on the pitch they’re doing damage.

 

No one is doubting the amazing atmosphere the Red and Black Bloc create at games. And it is only a very small minority of fans who are doing the wrong thing.

 

The Sydney derby, in my opinion, is the biggest sporting event in NSW thanks largely to the atmosphere created by the RBB and Sydney FC’s The Cove.

 

But it’s time for this small minority of morons to be weeded out.

 

Because they can’t possibly love the same game that I do, when they’re so intent on causing it damage.

 

http://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/fans-letting-off-flares-are-the-real-enemy-of-football-in-australia/news-story/0abe466428737306750e9d2cd95c875c

Edited February 8, 2016 by beatsurrender

[Jewwfro]

The smallest of articles and still can't get their facts right..apparently we play Perth this weekend 

 

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/a-league/western-sydney-wanderers-facing-tough-sanctions-after-fans-set-of-flares-and-detonators-in-melbourne/news-story/3414c5b3c43613b7c82f8f32ea1ef8c6

 

 

WESTERN Sydney have declared the travelling fans who lit flares and detonators during their clash with Melbourne Victory “have no place in our club†as the Wanderers face sanctions from Football Federation Australia.

 

While the Wanderers might still be top of the A-League, they face significant fallout on and off the field from their 1-1 draw with Melbourne Victory on Saturday night.

 

The club’s entire Spanish contingent is likely to miss this weekend’s home game with Perth through injury and suspension.

 

But more seriously, Wanderers fans have infuriated A-League officials after using pyrotechnics alongside an accompanying banner that read “We’re not here to take part, We’re here to take overâ€.

 

It comes just weeks after tortuous negotiations with fan groups over issues around active supporter groups.

The club itself is equally enraged after referee Ben Williams was forced to suspend the game for several minutes as smoke enveloped Etihad Stadium, a stoppage that seemed to benefit Victory as they scored moments after.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Jewwfro

[ColdRock]

Claims to love Wanderers FC, claims Sydney FC generate "atmosphere". Membership cancelled, lifetime ban

[GunnerWanderer]

I don't know whose the biggest turkeys here

 

The few ultras that rip the flares time and time again

The media who copy and paste the same articles time and time again

Or us on wsf.com discussing the same issue time and time again haha

 

seriously first world problems!

[btron3000]

From The GuardianAustralian

Nights like Saturday, with shirtless, tattooed, Western Sydney men illuminated by flare-light, only serves to reinforce these fears.

And there it is. It's not about the flares, or the behaviour. If it was, the ejections and alleged assaults at the rugby 7s would have received the same coverage. So would the Sydney fc flares and the Victory ones.

 

This is xenophobia at best, racism (or possibly elitism) at worst.

[Zelinsky]

 

I am developing a healthy dislike for ray gatt.

What took you so long? The guy is a ****wit.

I was going to say the very same thing.

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

i don't remember flares in green street hooligans....

[marron]

i don't remember flares in green street hooligans....

 

 

First sign someone has no clue about anything at all is if they mention this movie.

 

I was going to say, in the context of these debates.

 

But it's true enough as is. 

[RBB]

After Saturday night we should be talking about what happened on the pitch, which was a great game of football, but instead I'm going to go on a big whinge because I'm just a big ol feckin whinger

 

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[beatsurrender]

Interesting article on the ACL and the financial incentives

 

Failure in Asia to leave the Reds in the red

MANTON ST TALES
Success in Asia is important for Adelaide United's bottom line, but there's no question that fans would prefer an A-League championship, argues Paul Marcuccitti.
Paul Marcuccitti


February 08, 2016

I may have to apologise to Ange Postecoglou again.

Only a month ago, the Socceroos coach said: “It’s easier to read a balance sheet or … a web poll or see what the crowd is and talk about that for a week than it is to read a football game, but that’s what we should be talking about. Ultimately, that’s what supporters want to talk about.â€

And I try boss. I try so hard to talk about happenings on the field rather than off it. And I agree – that’s what supporters want.




But as this weekend has shown, in a few different ways, the on field and off field sometimes collide.

When Adelaide United faces China’s Shandong Luneng tomorrow night, there is far more at stake than a place in the group stage of this year’s Asian Champions League.

And that’s something United really needs: cash.

As revealed by Tom Richardson in InDaily, the club will receive $100,000 in State Government sponsorship if it qualifies for the ACL’s next phase (on top of $15,000 for tomorrow night’s game).

But there could be more flowing into the club’s accounts if it can overcome the powerful team from South Australia’s sister state in China.

For every win in the group stage (in which each team plays six times), a club receives US$40,000; each draw earns US$20,000; and, for every away game, a travel subsidy of US$34,200 is provided. Half of the win and draw bonuses go to players.

More cash awaits clubs that finish in the top two of their groups and reach the 16-team knockout phase. Win the thing and there’s a cool US$3 million coming your way.

United has named a squad of just 23 players for the ACL and seven of them haven’t played more than 90 minutes in the A-League. While it’s great to see some youth in the mix, there isn’t likely to be enough depth for the Reds to succeed in both competitions.

Two years ago, in a column that quoted an economic impact statement commissioned by Adelaide United (and prepared by the South Australian Centre for Economic Studies), the Australian Financial Review’s John Stensholt revealed that the club “loses about $1 million annuallyâ€.

There’s no requirement for A-League clubs to provide their financial statements publicly, but that figure isn’t likely to have changed much.

Shaun Mooney, who wrote A-League: The Inside Story of the Tumultuous First Decade with Stensholt, certainly believes that’s the case.




“There are only two clubs which, hand on your heart, you can say make money and they are Melbourne Victory and Western Sydney Wanderers,†says Mooney, who is the founder of leopoldmethod.com.au and a well-respected follower of A-League finances.

The desperation to win tomorrow night’s match meant that, for Friday’s game against Sydney FC, United’s starting 11 was missing four regular members, who will surely return for the Asian playoff.

And did the gamble pay off?

Some have argued that the 2-2 draw against Sydney FC, which is one point above the Reds on the A-League ladder, is a good result. Particularly as it stretches United’s unbeaten run to 10 games.

But it’s an opportunity missed. Sydney was under pressure after losing its previous two matches. Moreover, the Sky Blues have struggled at Hindmarsh in recent seasons.

A win would have catapulted the Reds into third – remarkable given their horrible start to this campaign. Instead, United remains sixth with a resurgent Perth now just five points behind.

And at the end of the season, the Reds may rue not gaining the extra two points a win over Sydney would have given them – the higher a team finishes, the kinder the finals system is to it.

Friday night’s selection tactics also raise an important question about the rest of the season: if United reaches the lucrative ACL group stage, will it continue to omit first team players from domestic games that precede matches against Asian clubs? Four rounds of the tournament will be played before the A-League’s home and away season ends, and a fifth is scheduled during finals.

The first match day in the ACL group stage will be on 23 February and, if they get past Shandong, the Reds will be travelling to Japan to face Sanfrecce Hiroshima. The A-League game before that is away to Melbourne Victory, a fixture that normally ends in disaster. A weakened team that night?

How about 5 April? That’d be in South Korea against FC Seoul. The preceding A-League match is away to Sydney FC and it will be the domestic competition’s penultimate round. A weakened team that night?

United has named a squad of just 23 players for the ACL and seven of them haven’t played more than 90 minutes in the A-League. While it’s great to see some youth in the mix, there isn’t likely to be enough depth for the Reds to succeed in both competitions.

And this will frustrate many fans. We all remember the superb run to the ACL final in 2008 and Western Sydney Wanderers’ extraordinary triumph in 2014.

But repeating achievements like that is becoming even more difficult. The clubs in South Korea and Japan are already stronger than ours and China has made another giant leap in the last few weeks with its clubs outspending the English Premier League in the recent transfer window.

What Adelaide fans want more than anything is seeing their players parading the A-League Championship trophy after the 1 May grand final.

United remains the only A-League founding club that has never been national champion. Five of the other six have won the grand final at least once and Perth, the other team that hasn’t, won the National Soccer League twice.

And sure, the Reds could finish this year as champions of Asia and Australia. But how likely is that? Well, if you bet on that double success now and it happens, you’ll be able to retire.

I’m not suggesting the club doesn’t try its hardest in the ACL but don’t jeopardise A-League success.

Because as improbable as it seemed just a few weeks ago, United has given itself another chance of finally winning that elusive title.


 

http://indaily.com.au/sport/manton-st-tales/2016/02/08/failure-in-asia-to-leave-the-reds-in-the-red/

[Zelinsky]

After Saturday night we should be talking about what happened on the pitch, which was a great game of football, but instead I'm going to go on a big whinge because I'm just a big ol feckin whinger

 

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

And guess what the media is going to talk about after the next derby? It won't be about a sell out, but about racism (Santa vs Abbas), about misbehaving football players (Sabe vs Ognenovski) or "violence". Any excuse will do to deflect from the football itself. 

[RBB]

 

After Saturday night we should be talking about what happened on the pitch, which was a great game of football, but instead I'm going to go on a big whinge because I'm just a big ol feckin whinger

 

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

And guess what the media is going to talk about after the next derby? It won't be about a sell out, but about racism (Santa vs Abbas), about misbehaving football players (Sabe vs Ognenovski) or "violence". Any excuse will do to deflect from the football itself. 

 

 

That's a given, don't let it worry you, just sit back and enjoy the show

 

[nmh94]

Buried in the middle of that Guardian article is a couple of paragraphs of top analysis about why outsiders get themselves in such a tizz about flares.

 

The article was also factually correct too(game stopped for just under a minute, followed by a Victory flare). Amazing, it is possible!

[marron]

Buried in the middle of that Guardian article is a couple of paragraphs of top analysis about why outsiders get themselves in such a tizz about flares.

 

The article was also factually correct too(game stopped for just under a minute, followed by a Victory flare). Amazing, it is possible!

My thoughts exactly... well said.

[StringerBellend]

 

Buried in the middle of that Guardian article is a couple of paragraphs of top analysis about why outsiders get themselves in such a tizz about flares.

 

The article was also factually correct too(game stopped for just under a minute, followed by a Victory flare). Amazing, it is possible!

My thoughts exactly... well said.

Guardian article was pretty fair really

[braad]

 

From The GuardianAustralian

Nights like Saturday, with shirtless, tattooed, Western Sydney men illuminated by flare-light, only serves to reinforce these fears.

And there it is. It's not about the flares, or the behaviour. If it was, the ejections and alleged assaults at the rugby 7s would have received the same coverage. So would the Sydney fc flares and the Victory ones.

 

This is xenophobia at best, racism (or possibly elitism) at worst.

 

 

i dont see race mentioned?