Australian Stadiums Discussion (Excluding Parramatta)

[Flytox]

New Opposition Leader will force SCG Trust to borrow the $700m to pay for new Sydney Football Stadium.  Daily Telegraph today.

[sonar]

17 minutes ago, Flytox said:

New Opposition Leader will force SCG Trust to borrow the $700m to pay for new Sydney Football Stadium.  Daily Telegraph today.

Alan Jones will explode.....lol

[mack]

They won't get elected anyway.

[tardotz]

1 hour ago, mack said:

They won't get elected anyway.

Would be funny if they did and kept their promise (not that politicians ever do). It will be the end of the SCG trust, the ones that will benefit will be the Smurfs because they keep playing in smaller football stadiums .

[SomeGuy1977]

On 26/11/2018 at 8:52 PM, Flytox said:

New Opposition Leader will force SCG Trust to borrow the $700m to pay for new Sydney Football Stadium.  Daily Telegraph today.

 

On 26/11/2018 at 9:10 PM, sonar said:

Alan Jones will explode.....lol

So, everybody wins, right?

[FCWanderers]

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/perth-stadium/shaded-seats-not-for-sale-at-australia-vs-india-cricket-test-match-in-perth-ng-b881036361z

This is a poor decision. I hope the new stadium being built at Parramatta doesn't employ a similar strategy of blocking of certain sections of the stadium for sale, especially when we play some afternoon games over the heat of summer.

[mack]

Those seats are closed because they are top tier seats and the stadium doesn't want to pay for staff in that tier. Our new stadium has all the facilities in a central concourse (or the main grandstand) and as such, they won't close anything.

[btron3000]

On 26/11/2018 at 10:20 PM, tardotz said:

the ones that will benefit will be the Smurfs because they keep playing in smaller football stadiums .

******* smurfs. Fighting their own development every step of the way.

Didn’t want us and then we come along and help their crowds.

Now Southern Expansion just happens to come along at the same time as their forced move to Kogarah, and they’ve basically stumbled into the realisation that smaller grounds and community involvement is the way forward, not setting yourself up in the eastern suburbs as co-conspirators with those knobs at the SCG Trust.

These clowns could have been packing out Kogarah for years but they’re under some delusion they’re the Manchester United of Asia and can’t believe it when no-one shows up to a 40,000 seat stadium stuck in the middle of nowhere.

[Hughesy]

Interesting conversation

 

[mack]

I think he's under-estimating the differences between creating a residential or commercial building like an apartment block, and a large footprint stadium that requires specialist construction material and includes a variety of different facilities, isn't a simple cube shape, and requires large scale preparation, with safety requirements well beyond normal residential property.

[Wanderboy]

I reckon that's the best pic I've ever seen of that stadium.

What a stunning location.

[Smoggy]

4 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

I reckon that's the best pic I've ever seen of that stadium.

What a stunning location.

Tis good, shame when you swing the camera the other way you have central Gosford....to those from overseas that don't know Gosford they must think it a paradise..., which compared to Middlesbrough  guess it would be...

Edited December 19, 2018 by Smoggy

[GunnerWanderer]

That’s the photo they must have shown bolt 

[FCWanderers]

https://www.cootamundraherald.com.au/story/5818260/cootamundra-club-recycles-city-stadium-chairs/

Good to see that they are recycling as much as they can. As they get Allianz stadium ready for demolition.

[MartinTyler]

21 minutes ago, FCWanderers said:

https://www.cootamundraherald.com.au/story/5818260/cootamundra-club-recycles-city-stadium-chairs/

Good to see that they are recycling as much as they can. As they get Allianz stadium ready for demolition.

Weren't they supposed to be a fire hazard?

[Flytox]

This is an interesting article about the cost and risks of stadium ownership.

 

https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpmg/au/pdf/2017/sports-stadium-ownership-competitive-costly.pdf

[SBW]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/taxpayers-would-not-be-on-the-hook-for-full-contract-if-stadium-deal-terminated-20181217-p50mqa.html

Terminating the contract to build a new stadium at Moore Park would not require taxpayers to pay the contractor the full cost of the $730 million new stadium.

The agency charged with building the stadium, Infrastructure NSW, has confirmed that under its contract with construction company Lendlease, Lendlease would be due compensation equal to the costs it had already incurred on the project if the contract was cancelled after the state election.

So it looks like Labor have found a way out of this if they get elected.

[Paul01]

37 minutes ago, SBW said:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/taxpayers-would-not-be-on-the-hook-for-full-contract-if-stadium-deal-terminated-20181217-p50mqa.html

Terminating the contract to build a new stadium at Moore Park would not require taxpayers to pay the contractor the full cost of the $730 million new stadium.

The agency charged with building the stadium, Infrastructure NSW, has confirmed that under its contract with construction company Lendlease, Lendlease would be due compensation equal to the costs it had already incurred on the project if the contract was cancelled after the state election.

So it looks like Labor have found a way out of this if they get elected.

We can only hope that the baseball bats come out for the election 

[mack]

"A new NSW Government will give the NSW Government Agency, the SCG Trust, a Government Loan, so the NSW Government can repay the NSW Government."

It's a pointless paper shuffle.Even if all they do is rebuild the new Parra stadium at the SFS the costs all up including cancellation of the existing contract, compensation costs for the delays, the new tender process and additional costs for building the stadium in the CBD will top $550 million I reckon, even if the 2nd design is just our new stadium. It'll be more if they switch to the expanded WSS design (I believe it's our stadium with an additional tier on the 3 normal stands, and several new tiers in the corporate stand) from Populous.

And for WSW fans, the facilities in the planned stadium's away end will be a million times better than what we have at the SFS now, and due to the scale of the stadium it will probably be better than what we get at our new stadium.

This kind of cancellation and design switch is the perfect project to completely blow out costs and end up costing as much as the original plan in the first place.

I've read from people who have information about the bid process, that the winning bid now, was a price-cut bid designed to win the job for reasons beyond making a direct profit. If there's a cancellation that will go out the window and the Govt won't get another similar deal, driving the cost up.

My guess at this stage if the opposition win and cancel the current design, is that they will get shredded to ribbons on price because their cancellation with a hole in the ground kills their leverage on pricing and the companies involved won't have an incentive to drive down costs. But they'll draw up contracts in a manner which hides the price rises from easy scrutiny, until 2 years after it's built the eventual total cost end up being more than the first design, for a smaller stadium.

[Hughesy]

Jesus Christ. Could you imagine if they had to build the harbour bridge in this day and age?...

[mack]

It'd be two lanes across, paid for by the taxpayer but owned by transurban who would charge $20 a crossing.

[FCWanderers]

On 31/12/2018 at 1:44 PM, mack said:

It'd be two lanes across, paid for by the taxpayer but owned by transurban who would charge $20 a crossing.

Looks like what we will get with the Westconnex privatisation if you read the latest articles about the privatisation process of that motorway.

[Hughesy]

 

[mack]

The internal demolition has been underway for ages. Once the SCG test is done it'll start coming down proper.

[beatsurrender]

For those interested in football stadiums around the world and a model it would be awesome to have here in Oz (hopefully West Melb will be the first of many) here is a link a mate sent me of the progression of football specific stadiums and the evolvement of such in the MLS, right up to the latest brand new one to debut next season for Minnesota FC.

https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2019/01/mls-stadiums-oldest-to-newest-updated-for-2019/

Edited January 11, 2019 by beatsurrender

[marron]

27 minutes ago, beatsurrender said:

For those interested in football stadiums around the world and a model it would be awesome to have here in Oz (hopefully West Melb will be the first of many) here is a link a mate sent me of the progression of football specific stadiums and the evolvement of such in the MLS, right up to the latest brand new one to debut next season for Minnesota FC.

https://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2019/01/mls-stadiums-oldest-to-newest-updated-for-2019/

Needs more pics that article!

But man, the yanks do them so well.

One of my favourite things they do is the level entry with forecourt/street viewing onto the pitch. So many of them have it.

[LeeMarvin]

On opposition to Allianz demolition:  

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/05/demolition-of-sydneys-alliance-stadium-facing-new-legal-threat

May be old news to some, but saw it while looking for articles about the Hakeem situation so thought I would post.

[Hughesy]

Rich people with too much time on their hands

[mack]

Apparently stadiums are "short sighted". In what way is a building that will be around anywhere from 30 to 80 years a 'shortsighted' development?

[Burztur]

Eh. Parra is built. Happy to have SFC remain homeless for as long as possible. They really should have done ANZ first.