Football Media Discussion 2

[Smoggy]

Just now, StringerBellend said:

Try supporting everton we haven’t won anything since mid 90s and the last time we were good as late 80s

we now have Sam Allardyce as manager 

****, even the Boro won the League cup in 2004 and made the UEFA cup final in 2006 lol Generally things are grim up at the Boro though, that League cup was the first major comp silverware in 120 years 

[StringerBellend]

3 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

****, even the Boro won the League cup in 2004 and made the UEFA cup final in 2006 lol Generally things are grim up at the Boro though, that League cup was the first major comp silverware in 120 years 

Oh and we have horrible neighbors too 

[Smoggy]

6 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Oh and we have horrible neighbors too 

So do we, surrounded by horrible neighbours. Inbreeding Leeds United dingles below us. Monkey hanging Hartlepool nutters to the north and Sunderland and Newcastle who you can't ******* understand anyway, ******* barcode and mackem chunts. 

Edited March 5, 2018 by WSWBoro

[Wanderboy]

Oi Boro. STFU.

[GunnerWanderer]

Okay so bozza continues to call out these sky blue ****s 

 

 

On A-League hour said merrick got fined last week for having go at refs brosque should get the same as he’s comments are worse 

and then left a beauty saying if they Don’t do it these accusations that they favour cetrain teams are justified

[luisenrique]

Love it

[eggs]

Massive segment on soccer stoppage time on WSW / NRMA / FFA if you're not sick of this topic yet....

https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/soccer-stoppage-time/id900279294?mt=2&i=1000405089654

[Paul01]

1 hour ago, eggs said:

Massive segment on soccer stoppage time on WSW / NRMA / FFA if you're not sick of this topic yet....

https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/soccer-stoppage-time/id900279294?mt=2&i=1000405089654

After listening to this, the NRMA are not renewing or extending their sponsorship. An unnamed new sponsor is getting twitchy.

The closure of active support was due to the sponsors reaction.

Local govt politicians who have supported the club, are reacting to the mainstream media coverage of the flares being lit. It is affecting their support of our club.

[sonar]

37 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

After listening to this, the NRMA are not renewing or extending their sponsorship. An unnamed new sponsor is getting twitchy.

The closure of active support was due to the sponsors reaction.

Local govt politicians who have supported the club, are reacting to the mainstream media coverage of the flares being lit. It is affecting their support of our club.

 The screaming from opponents about the so called bad conduct" or anti social behaviour of WSW supporters and the RBB in particular, will only get louder and louder. The media wants some football blood and it's been decided that WSW are going to be their targeted victims no matter what the club,players or fans do. They want to get rid of the club and if they have to target sponsors so be it.

They (our opponents , the media especially )have kept on and on about trivial matters and have kept blowing them out of all proportions so they can point to a crisis which they helped create and foster. They then go after sponsors, your political allies and anybody else that stands up to them.

It took a long time to get a club that represents Western Sydney. The media are the main drivers of the anti Wanderers stories and the ones causing the bleeding, and now they sense blood they will be relentless in seeing how long it takes to get rid of us. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by sonar

[MartinTyler]

You wait......once we're back at Parramatta Stadium and the aisles are rocking again the sponsors will be queuing at our door !!

[Erebus]

1 hour ago, sonar said:

The closure of active support was due to the sponsors reaction.

 

SST like to speculate a lot of the time though. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

[sonar]

4 hours ago, Paul01 said:

After listening to this, the NRMA are not renewing or extending their sponsorship. An unnamed new sponsor is getting twitchy.

The closure of active support was due to the sponsors reaction.

Local govt politicians who have supported the club, are reacting to the mainstream media coverage of the flares being lit. It is affecting their support of our club.

 

@ Erebus, see above........ not my quote.

[Howie]

Whats the logistics of a fan group from becoming the major sponsor ? 

[Davo]

Paying more than the current major sponsor.

[Erebus]

1 hour ago, sonar said:

 

@ Erebus, see above........ not my quote.

Sorry mate, I highlighted the text and selected "quote". Didn't check to see whom it quoted.

[sonar]

27 minutes ago, Howie said:

Whats the logistics of a fan group from becoming the major sponsor ? 

A lot of people may laugh but it would be an interesting discussion to have. Perhaps a thread on its own. From my point of view you are asking people who already support the club via memberships to pay twice.

[Carns]

For a $1m sponsorship you'd need 10k members to pay $100. Considering we can struggle to get 10k members to a game on many occasions I think it might be a bit ambitious.

5k at $200 might be more feasible, but I can't see many members forking it out for no real return.

[Davo]

Also it's not a one off payment. It'd need to be every year.

[Carns]

32 minutes ago, Davo said:

Also it's not a one off payment. It'd need to be every year.

Exactly. I'm just crunching the numbers. Personally, I see no real benefit to the idea.

[mack]

Season tickets already cost enough.

[Stokz]

Sponsorship's of sporting clubs are purely for marketing/branding/pr exercises for the sponsoring entity.

ROI would be measured in that way.

Companies would be happy that their brand was seen X amount times, with the hope that people viewing this may think about purchasing the product / switching etc. 

Apart from putting a bit of pressure on the club that they will stop the sponsorship when they are unhappy about something (e.g. flares) they have no say in anything regarding the club. 

So it really makes zero sense for a Fan Collective to sponsor the club, what would we achieve with it? They still wouldn't take us seriously if we said we going to stop sponsorship next season if we were unhappy with a decision they made. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Stokz

[Tranquilo]

Hear NSW RMS are looking at getting on board as major sponsors for next season.

Maratime Services division is the one mainly pushing for the deal.

[fava]

http://dailyfootballshow.com/no-wonder-ratings-and-attendances-are-down-brendon-santalab-weighs-in-on-the-a-league-state-of-play/

Interesting read with Santa talking candidly about FFA situation. 

[beatsurrender]

Time to think global when it comes to a football model for Australia

The Australian football model - 'unique' though it may be - is fundamentally flawed and needs to be overhauled to be consistent with global football

13 March 2018 |  Tom Kalas

 

“He is not unique...he’s just a very naughty boy!”I laughed out loud when I came across this image. It reminded me of the state of play in Australian football today. Obviously the 'unique' refers to the peculiar Aussie football model established in 2004 .... and yes, they’ve been very 'naughty' in privatising the top tier, selling it off via franchises to private owners and then systematically shutting out all clubs outside the A-League.The unintentional repercussions or otherwise are many, but more about those fun and games later.For the past 14 years, FFA’s underlying strategy, based in large part on preliminary work conducted by the PFA, has been to attempt to make football attractive to the wider ‘Aussie mainstream’. The need to develop a 'unique' private franchise football model was accepted by many, and it was hoped it would resonate with the wider mainstream public and wake the ‘sleeping giant’ which we've heard about for years. The model mimicked in structure the local games of Rugby Union, AFL, Rugby League, and stubbornly tried anything but mirroring global standards that has helped to elevate football as the number one sport internationally.To date, football in Australia has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on this 'unique' strategy – yet the ‘Aussie mainstream’ has not embraced the A-League and now many in and around the football industry are looking for solutions again. After 13 years of running this model, the FFA declared in February last year that they needed to develop a new ownership and operating model for both the A-League and W-League because, after analysis of the sport's financial standing (after finalising a six-year, $57 million per year TV deal), they revealed that expansion of the A-League and W-League, or any rapid growth in the game generally "will require significantly more capital investment". In other words, the model is flawed and we’ve gotta fix it!Yet from 2004 until today, the code has been blessed with:

• 4 World Cup appearances
• Asian Cup Championship
• The 'Timmy Cahill, Alessandro Del Peiro marquee effect'
• Unparalleled Matildas success
• A professional (and expensive) football administrative layer
• Direct Government financial support to football (FFA's inception, World Cup Bids etc)
• Peak broadcasting deal of $57m annually, as well as Free to Air (FTA) coverage
• Strong media access and support from all media categories
• Peak corporate ‘expertise’ on FFA Board
• PFA support from Day 1
• Professional marketing strategies ('Yoshi', 'We were made in the A League', to name a few)
• Ample consultants brought in to augment different FFA departments/initiatives (and even paid consultancy fees to current and former FFA board members)
• A top tier football 'monopoly' with a closed league/franchise system in nine of Australia's largest cities.

At the same time, the model has negatively impacted the football tiers below with:

• No transfer fees
• No promotion / relegation
• No pathway for clubs, coaches, referees, administrators
• No incentive to invest in the key area of facilities/upgrades
• Historically the lowest number of Australian players participating in the top tier
• The second tier NPL clubs  - which, in fact, manage the nation's most significant football infrastructure - are not properly represented constitutionally, either in legal status or in practice
• An organised attempt to erode all football tiers under the top tier in the hope of directing interest/followers to the A-League, and
• Autocratic and undemocratic football constitutions, which we now find ourselves trying to unravel with the Congress conundrum.

Over the years in my professional sphere, I've seen Australia littered with costly mistakes in corporate strategies, for example: Kodak, Woolworths, Bunnings (UK), Santos, Dick Smith, ANZ Bank Asian Strategy, NAB UK strategy and more. The balance sheet of some of these corporates can weather these strategic errors, but in some other cases it can be fatal.Obviously, Australian football does not have the luxury of a strong balance sheet and we are in a dangerous situation.What chance did property developers/landlords (no question, successful in their own domain) have in designing and implementing a 'unique' Aussie football model that has no precedent of working anywhere in the world?Make no mistake, our 'unique' model is flawed, and the unintentional or otherwise repercussions are now all too obvious for all to see.I'll spare you the details of the dramatic deterioration of broadcast ratings, match attendances, youth development standards, cost of kids' participation, coaching licence costs (most expensive internationally), the continuing implications of the 'infrastructure deficit' (good to hear other stakeholders getting on board with this fundamental repercussion of our unique model), international youth competitiveness, standard of play in the top tier, the player merry go round, oldest age teams in games history and so forth. I could go on all day.Talk has centred around recapitalising a flawed model and the transfer of the management of the A-League to the franchise owners in the hope of "she'll be right".This, in my opinion, is just kicking the can down the road and the day of reckoning, although marginally delayed, will be more severe. If the model hasn’t worked with all that it has been blessed with in these past 14 years, perhaps it’s just a flawed model?Unless we untangle the structural mess created by the model, our code will remain a predominantly kids’ participation sport and the next generation will continue to struggle with the lack of facilities at all levels of the game.A fundamental fact that is missed, is that the average annual income in Australia is $78,832 (2016).The so-called 'mainstream' is careful to spend their limited entertainment budget on what they feel will provide value for money. They will attend a one-off ‘entertainment event’ like a Socceroos match or a Liverpool/Chelsea visit, but will not spend it on weekly attendance or membership or viewership of A-League football.Furthermore the 'clean air' the code experienced in the first ten or so years is now over. The current Aussie mainstream culture prefers to spend its entertainment budget on affordable entertainment such as Big Bash Cricket, Women’s AFL, new Basketball/Netball competitions, NRL and, as it develops, AFLX. Everyone has surely noticed the renewed emphasis by all codes on reducing the cost of their entertainment ‘products’.Hence, evolution of our game is not ready yet for the current cost structure in venues, administrative costs, or in fact the amount we pay our professional players: the average A-League salary is around $125,000.At least seven franchises have gone broke in 14 years (nine according to some). These also come at significant cost in one way or another, for all the tiers in football.Yep, our code has been a sleeping giant since the 1950s, and always had huge kids’ participation metrics too but the millions participating aren’t engaged and “our model is not viable”. FFA themselves said so.Enough is enough.I believe it’s time we migrate our code to the global standard, that is: link the tiers, adopt transfer payments, introduce promotion/relegation etc.There are no shortcuts to building football culture. It takes generations, unfortunately, but unless we adopt the global standards we are going nowhere. We need to ditch the ‘unique’ Aussie model and start the implementation process of building an affordable top tier linking it to all 700 clubs nationally.Australian populations are not static, cities and regional centres are growing, and we must introduce the right global football culture to the next generation. We must build them football facilities/assets. We need to protect our large kids; participation metrics with family friendly infrastructure and build club culture.Mobilising a facilities expansion focus across Australia is at the core of what the migration to the global standards will encourage. The longer we leave it the harder and costlier it will get for the next generations. Our current 'unique' model inhibits fixing the ‘infrastructure deficit’ problem. In fact, the current model raises severe questions on whether it drives the right behaviours from the private and for profit franchise structure.Hopefully those in denial* of the repercussions of what’s occurred in our football landscape see fit to accept the need for significant reform and start to work towards unifying the game and adopting the global standards.

[Davo]

Channel 10 news tonight. The sport segment starts with rugby league and the intro says Penrith are being investigated as their fans were accused of racially abusing Greg Inglis. They then show highlights of all the games and make no mention of the investigation.

Later they cover the A-League and spend ages talking about Carney possibly leaving early, playing clips of Arnie’s press conference talking about it etc. They then brush over the actual game and only show two of the three goals.

This is the network that shows the A-League...

[luisenrique]

...and Socceroos games...

[marron]

It's always annoyed the **** out of me that networks with presenters that will bang on about  how boring football is with its low scoring will never show all the goals from any given game.

[Paul01]

Saw a bit BBC news and the they showed the repairs to the net last night with Barbarouses using electrical tape to fix the broken net. Light-hearted but shown nonetheless 

[btron3000]

16 hours ago, Davo said:

Channel 10 news tonight. The sport segment starts with rugby league and the intro says Penrith are being investigated as their fans were accused of racially abusing Greg Inglis. They then show highlights of all the games and make no mention of the investigation.

Later they cover the A-League and spend ages talking about Carney possibly leaving early, playing clips of Arnie’s press conference talking about it etc. They then brush over the actual game and only show two of the three goals.

This is the network that shows the A-League...

I think it was Les Murray, or perhaps Johnny Warren, who, when we played Uruguay in 01, said all we talk about is the off field stuff. Our journos simply don’t know the game well enough to cover it, and their bosses don’t want them to anyway. 

[Davo]

33 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

I think it was Les Murray, or perhaps Johnny Warren, who, when we played Uruguay in 01, said all we talk about is the off field stuff. Our journos simply don’t know the game well enough to cover it, and their bosses don’t want them to anyway. 

Even media outlets that should know better are like that. I was watching some highlights videos on the Fox Sports website. The boofheads they have behind the desk doing the intros and voice overs clearly aren't football people because they always get tangled up on the foreign sounding names. Got Mark Hughes name right every time but took three goes with Alvaro Morata...