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4 hours ago, papersun said:

I'm in two minds about this, can't stand anything in any connected to Murdoch.  

I think it's up to be clubs to decide the way forward now but if there is any other viable alternative I would take it.

 

I agree with you. 

Unfortunately, players salaries are based on the broadcast deal. 

I have stoutly resisted taking out Fox Sports. But I might take out a Kayo subscription.

I would rather the A-league get a deal with Optus so we get almost all football on one platform. 

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I hate China and their propaganda news: https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/gap-between-a-league-and-asia-too-big-for-aussie-teams-a-league-slammed-by-chinese-media?fbclid=IwAR1NqmRPHjYrvACz4HxJ4lSnhCuzEi_Kt_Q74RT1YZf9L1pzgvCDXZDFimE

China's media has hit out at the A-League claiming Australian clubs are 'not good enough' to match it with Asia's best.

Sydney FC

Defeats by Sydney FC and Perth Glory to Chinese opposition during the week at the Asian Champions League fuelled the fiery comments as media in China hit out at Australia's form in the AFC Champions League and pointed out that the poor results of Aussie teams in Asia don’t do much for the international reputation of the A-League.

On Wednesday Perth lost 2-1 to Shanghai Shenhua while 24 hours later, Sydney FC took the lead against Shanghai SIPG with a goal after eight minutes from Trent Buhagiar only for two second-half goals from Li Shenglong to give the Chinese team, that had previously not won in six games, a much-needed victory.

"Although Sydney have dominated the A-League in recent years, the gap between the league and Asia is too big,” leading website Sina declared.

“Sydney have won just once in 17 ACL games and their performances overseas are too weak which seriously reduces the image of the A-League."

While there was satisfaction from Shanghai SIPG, who had looked disinterested and lethargic in the final stages of the league season that finished earlier this month, got the points, there was a warning from Sports Weekly that they will have to improve in the remaining games in the group stage as they prepare to take on the champions of South Korea and Japan.

“SIPG, just after playing the Chinese Super League, faced the weakest opponent in the group and had some problems and they have to regroup before taking on powerful enemies Jeonbuk Hyundai and Yokohama Mariners, they will face a more severe test.”

Despite the poor results from Australia’s best team, the performance against Shanghai SIPG did earn some praise from media commentators such as the respected Titan Sports newspaper.

“In the first half, Sydney FC tore through the SIPG defence on a number of occasions. SIPG has an advantage over its opponents after just finishing the Super League, SIPG players are in at least a period of good physical and competitive conditions. In addition, Sydney FC had a warm-up with the Australian U23 team before going to Qatar, their last competitive match was at the end of August. They rested for more than two months and did not regroup until early November.”

The newspaper notes that while changes in formation, personnel and tactics from Shanghai boss Vitor Pereria made a difference but so did the fact that also that Sydney grew tired.

“...It should also be noted that in the last 20 minutes, the physical strength of Sydney FC players, who had not had a formal game for a long time dropped seriously, which also gave SIPG more opportunity.”

Noted commentator Ma Dexing also accused SIPG of not doing their homework on Sydney though was happier with the win of Shenhua over Perth. “Defeating an Australian team, especially a ‘rookie’ is nothing special usually but it is for Shenhua who have not won in Asia for over 10 years.”

He hailed the two wins, especially Shenhua’s victory over Perth, were hailed as a potential turning point for China as they were achieved through the efforts of local players.

This bodes well for the future and should give some self-belief.

“The reason is a certain degree of confidence’” said Sina, “rather than "absolute confidence"-because after all, the overall level of these two Australian teams is still lagging behind that of Japanese and Korean teams, and local players need to compete with Japanese and Korean clubs in the future.”

Melbourne Victory have a chance to restore some A-League pride against Beijing Guoan on Tuesday

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On 20/11/2020 at 11:34 AM, Paul01 said:

This might be good news

Fox Sports U-turn offers cash boost to independent A-League

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/fox-sports-u-turn-offers-cash-boost-to-independent-a-league

 

That is absolutely hilarious. I’ve been saying for ages that if Foxtel got rid of the aleague then their exclusive, in house summer content would be bugger all. They need us way more than we need them and they know it. Cudos to James Johnson for having a backbone to stick up to them over the last 6 months. Isn’t it amazing what can happen when you have some self respect?...

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On 21/11/2020 at 5:23 PM, MathyouWSW said:

I hate China and their propaganda news: https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/gap-between-a-league-and-asia-too-big-for-aussie-teams-a-league-slammed-by-chinese-media?fbclid=IwAR1NqmRPHjYrvACz4HxJ4lSnhCuzEi_Kt_Q74RT1YZf9L1pzgvCDXZDFimE

China's media has hit out at the A-League claiming Australian clubs are 'not good enough' to match it with Asia's best.

Sydney FC

Defeats by Sydney FC and Perth Glory to Chinese opposition during the week at the Asian Champions League fuelled the fiery comments as media in China hit out at Australia's form in the AFC Champions League and pointed out that the poor results of Aussie teams in Asia don’t do much for the international reputation of the A-League.

On Wednesday Perth lost 2-1 to Shanghai Shenhua while 24 hours later, Sydney FC took the lead against Shanghai SIPG with a goal after eight minutes from Trent Buhagiar only for two second-half goals from Li Shenglong to give the Chinese team, that had previously not won in six games, a much-needed victory.

"Although Sydney have dominated the A-League in recent years, the gap between the league and Asia is too big,” leading website Sina declared.

“Sydney have won just once in 17 ACL games and their performances overseas are too weak which seriously reduces the image of the A-League."

While there was satisfaction from Shanghai SIPG, who had looked disinterested and lethargic in the final stages of the league season that finished earlier this month, got the points, there was a warning from Sports Weekly that they will have to improve in the remaining games in the group stage as they prepare to take on the champions of South Korea and Japan.

“SIPG, just after playing the Chinese Super League, faced the weakest opponent in the group and had some problems and they have to regroup before taking on powerful enemies Jeonbuk Hyundai and Yokohama Mariners, they will face a more severe test.”

Despite the poor results from Australia’s best team, the performance against Shanghai SIPG did earn some praise from media commentators such as the respected Titan Sports newspaper.

“In the first half, Sydney FC tore through the SIPG defence on a number of occasions. SIPG has an advantage over its opponents after just finishing the Super League, SIPG players are in at least a period of good physical and competitive conditions. In addition, Sydney FC had a warm-up with the Australian U23 team before going to Qatar, their last competitive match was at the end of August. They rested for more than two months and did not regroup until early November.”

The newspaper notes that while changes in formation, personnel and tactics from Shanghai boss Vitor Pereria made a difference but so did the fact that also that Sydney grew tired.

“...It should also be noted that in the last 20 minutes, the physical strength of Sydney FC players, who had not had a formal game for a long time dropped seriously, which also gave SIPG more opportunity.”

Noted commentator Ma Dexing also accused SIPG of not doing their homework on Sydney though was happier with the win of Shenhua over Perth. “Defeating an Australian team, especially a ‘rookie’ is nothing special usually but it is for Shenhua who have not won in Asia for over 10 years.”

He hailed the two wins, especially Shenhua’s victory over Perth, were hailed as a potential turning point for China as they were achieved through the efforts of local players.

This bodes well for the future and should give some self-belief.

“The reason is a certain degree of confidence’” said Sina, “rather than "absolute confidence"-because after all, the overall level of these two Australian teams is still lagging behind that of Japanese and Korean teams, and local players need to compete with Japanese and Korean clubs in the future.”

Melbourne Victory have a chance to restore some A-League pride against Beijing Guoan on Tuesday

Without their 3 foreign players (aka Brazilians lol..), I’d say 80-90% of Asian sides would be complete rubbish and our teams would comfortably beat them, especially China. Pound for pound I still believe the overall Aussie talent pool is better than the Asian nations with the exception of Japan.

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7 hours ago, hughsey said:

Without their 3 foreign players (aka Brazilians lol..), I’d say 80-90% of Asian sides would be complete rubbish and our teams would comfortably beat them, especially China. Pound for pound I still believe the overall Aussie talent pool is better than the Asian nations with the exception of Japan.

This might have been the case in about 2010, it hasn't been for a while, the Japanese and Korean sides (even without imports) are way better than us. Also if you take the foreign players out of the A Leagues teams they would be dreadful 

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7 hours ago, hughsey said:

Without their 3 foreign players (aka Brazilians lol..), I’d say 80-90% of Asian sides would be complete rubbish and our teams would comfortably beat them, especially China. Pound for pound I still believe the overall Aussie talent pool is better than the Asian nations with the exception of Japan.

Koreans are also better than Aussie players. They play with the same physicality while also having great technique

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19 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

This might have been the case in about 2010, it hasn't been for a while, the Japanese and Korean sides (even without imports) are way better than us. Also if you take the foreign players out of the A Leagues teams they would be dreadful 

I still don’t agree. The top tier players in Japan and Korea may be a higher class (Son, Minamino etc) but like for like I think our squaddies are just as good if not better. We don’t rely nearly as much on our foreigners as what they do. Let’s face it, the ACL is most often a competition of who has the best foreign attack 

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1 hour ago, hughsey said:

I still don’t agree. The top tier players in Japan and Korea may be a higher class (Son, Minamino etc) but like for like I think our squaddies are just as good if not better. We don’t rely nearly as much on our foreigners as what they do. Let’s face it, the ACL is most often a competition of who has the best foreign attack 

The biggest difference between say A-league and K-league domestic players is that when an A-league player has the ball and they are in the attacking third they will often go backwards or panic. K-league Domestic players  will instead try drive down the wings and expose space. The skill level is almost the same but Koreans have more confidence to do one-on-ones, have confidence protecting the ball and have vision to attack space. I have consumed my share of K-league games (big fan of Taggart) the level is almost the same, the difference is they are far more confident attacking defenders but the finishing is... well peak A-league and that's why they are in the domestic league if its not military requirements.

J-league is far more complex the way Japanese play is like a chess game and A-league teams really struggle but again some of the finishing is reminiscent of peak A-league. 

Chinese are rough thug players I agree A-league players are at the moment better but since we have been Asia they have improved the gap is not as much as it was say 10 or even 5 years ago.

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In my very very very humble opinion this is great analysis of the Australian broadcasters and streaming V Fox... Stan / Nine etc...

https://mumbrella.com.au/whats-the-strategy-of-stan-sport-658095

It has a great chart on where and how it sees the various codes and we are in column 3,  I think the chart is an excellent and realistic breakdown of the various sporting codes in Australia.

Included in his article the journalist also ahs another article linked which is also worth reading.

 

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On 30/11/2020 at 1:25 PM, Midfielder said:

In my very very very humble opinion this is great analysis of the Australian broadcasters and streaming V Fox... Stan / Nine etc...

https://mumbrella.com.au/whats-the-strategy-of-stan-sport-658095

It has a great chart on where and how it sees the various codes and we are in column 3,  I think the chart is an excellent and realistic breakdown of the various sporting codes in Australia.

Included in his article the journalist also ahs another article linked which is also worth reading.

 

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Further to this article is an article about Fox and its tier one sports and more specifically AFL.. it shows some decent Fox data.

https://thejournaldaily.com/index.php/2020/11/23/foxtel-mulling-early-strike-to-extend-broadcast-deal-with-afl/

Outgoing Nine boss Hugh Marks did not rule out entering discussions with other sports as Nine grows its offering. Mr Delany said at a conference earlier this year that Foxtel would focus on securing more rights to large sports such as the AFL and NRL, which are appealing to advertiser and subscribers.

“We are now quite fearless of losing a sport,” Mr Delany said at a sports conference in September. “If a sport is asking too much money and we can’t make it work, and someone else can, well good luck to them.

“I want more of the NRL. Our relationship with the AFL is really fabulous. I want more AFL. The motorsports are going well for us, and we like cricket. But they are really the tier one sports and the rest are going to have to adjust.”

Foxtel’s main point of differentiation is its coverage of local and international sport and that focus led to the launch of its streaming service Kayo Sports. But competition from local and international players has put pressure on Foxtel, which has a large pile of debt. The financial challenges were exacerbated by the pandemic due to the suspension of sport and the closure of pubs and clubs affected its subscriber base. Foxtel was forced to stand down more than 200 staff and axed more than 300 jobs earlier in the year.

The company reported a revenue fall of US$18 million to $US496 million for Foxtel in the first quarter despite an increase in the number of subscribers. Foxtel’s total paying subscribers increased by 7 per cent to 3.29 million as of September 30. Subscribers for Kayo and Binge climbed 67 per cent. Kayo has 681,000 subscribers (644,000 paying) while Binge has 321,000 users (290,000 paying). The amount of revenue per user increased by 1 per cent to just $US56 ($77).

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We are now quite fearless of losing a sport,” Mr Delany said at a sports conference in September. “If a sport is asking too much money and we can’t make it work, and someone else can, well good luck to them.

He says as they come crawling back to the FFA in a panic because union called their bluff and walked... LOL

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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/everything-up-for-grabs-as-football-enters-fast-moving-broadcast-market-20201201-p56jia.html
 

A few months ago, there were fears football in Australia could be left without a television partner.

Now there could be a bidding war on multiple fronts as almost the entirety of the sport's broadcast inventory goes up for grabs next year - and insiders are bullish about how an increasingly fragmented market could play in football's favour.

Much has changed since Fox Sports tore up the remainder of its three-year contract to televise the A-League in the middle of the pandemic, replacing it with a cut-price, one-season deal worth $28 million, which expires in July.

The decision to shorten the length of the deal, according to multiple sources, was taken not by Fox but by Football Federation Australia and the clubs, which read the industry's tea leaves and prioritised flexibility over security.

It was a gamble - one that surprised Fox - but it might be paying off. The recent emergence of Stan Sport (owned by Nine, the publisher of this masthead) means there is now another active competitor for sports rights, and one that is considering a bid for football.

And despite Foxtel chief Patrick Delaney's claim that he is now "quite fearless of losing a sport", industry sources say Rugby Australia's move to align with Nine and Stan has stoked fears within the struggling pay-TV company about dropping another code to a rival broadcaster.

The A-League has been unable to arrest a worrying decline in ratings in recent years, but the competition is no longer football's big-ticket item.

That tag belongs to the Matildas - and specifically, the 2023 Women's World Cup, which will be hosted by Australia and New Zealand. FIFA is set to take the rights for that tournament to market mid-next year, around the same time the newly-independent A-League will be looking for a new deal.

FFA chief executive James Johnson said at last week's AGM the timing presented a "big opportunity", and the governing body would work with A-League clubs to try and make the most of it.
 

The process for the 2023 rights will be run by FIFA, not FFA - but Johnson is a former high-ranking FIFA executive and a close ally of president Gianni Infantino, and co-host nation status should give FFA some degree of influence over where they land.

Another entity - Football Marketing Asia, the AFC's commercial arm - is also in the broader conversation. FMA holds the rights to the third round of Socceroos World Cup qualifiers for Qatar 2022, due to begin in September 2021, but also the 2022 Women's Asian Cup, the 2023 Asian Cup and the AFC Champions League.

Industry sources say Nine, Seven and Ten have all shown strong interest in the Socceroos matches, but the process has been delayed by COVID-19, while further complicating discussions is the lack of certainty over where they will be played and, thus, what timezones the games will be in.

Football stakeholders are keen for all of the sport's content to land in one place, if possible. That marries up quite well with the strategy taken by Nine and Stan, who have just bought all of rugby union's content, from Super Rugby to internationals, intending to be the go-to home of the game they play in heaven.

Optus Sport, meanwhile, is quietly booming. The telco has built an active subscriber base of 868,000 and has beaten its own viewership record for English Premier League matches six times in the last two months. If they hold any serious interest in broadcasting domestic football, 2021 is surely the time to show it.

Sources also say Amazon Prime is keeping a close eye on Australian sport, and that they and several other international parties have spoken to FFA about opportunities outside of match broadcasting - for instance, documentary-style features akin to The Test, Amazon's series on the Australian cricket team.

But there could be a surprise contender for football's TV rights - the game itself.A-League clubs, due to win legal independence from FFA by the end of the year, are being advised by US merchant bank the Raine Group in their search for private equity investment to fund a planned move into OTT broadcasting.

 They know that the sports rights bubble has burst, and extra competition won't necessarily drive up prices.

 

Johnson has previously foreshadowed a football-specific direct-to-consumer streaming service, which would be run in partnership by FFA and the A-League through a 'special purpose vehicle' company.

That entity could buy up the rights to World Cups, Asian Cups and international qualifiers, and then on-sell portions of content to other broadcasters or streaming platforms.

"The broadcast market is changing ... I don't think we can just go out and change the broadcaster and get the same amount of money in," Johnson said at last month's Football Writers' Festival.
"I think we need to move into the OTT world, into the digital space. That sounds all good, it's good blue-chip thinking, but in a practical sense that would require significant investment to set something like that up.

"We would need to look at potentially bringing in capital into the sport to allow us to invest in such a vehicle - but if we were able to do that, that's something that would set our sport up very well for the future."
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4 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

Looks like everyone one really wants the Matildas and Socceroos games. Anyone think there is a possibility we see A-league and national teams on two separate media formats?

I think it's almost certain. The major networks aren't going to be that interested in the A-League and having to show 5+ club games per round but would very much be interested in the more "one-off" national team games where you can juts market them as the Australian team.

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I on the other hand can't see Johnson splitting them. He's the only one so far that feels like the "whole of football" thingy. And he knows we won't have  this opportunity for a few years to come. I trust him much more than the previous 2 administrators (afl and nrl). 

Hope I'm right....

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Johnson doesn't really have any choice in the matter. It's in the article in detail but the FFA doesn't own the rights to our national team matches in official competitions or qualifiers, he doesn't control the A-League any more either.

He has control over the FFA Cup (not that anyone is going to pay for that) and national team friendly games. What I could see is whoever takes on some of the A-League rights also buying the rights to those national team friendly games in addition to whatever they can buy off the AFC & FIFA. Especially since someone is going to end up buying the rights to the Women's World Cup (which for the Australian matches will likely be a major free to air network like Channel 9) and may want to beef up their football portfolio in the lead up to 2023.

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On 04/12/2020 at 2:53 PM, mack said:

I think it's almost certain. The major networks aren't going to be that interested in the A-League and having to show 5+ club games per round but would very much be interested in the more "one-off" national team games where you can juts market them as the Australian team.

Would be crazy to let the A League go seperate to the internationals, the Women's World Cup will boost the rights, A League will tack along. Optus makes sense unless they figure they already have the football market sewn up

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On 05/12/2020 at 7:56 PM, StringerBellend said:

Would be crazy to let the A League go seperate to the internationals, the Women's World Cup will boost the rights, A League will tack along. Optus makes sense unless they figure they already have the football market sewn up

would it though? As long as the Socceroos and Matildas end up on free to air (as they always should have been) it could be a positive. A-league on the other hand it makes sense to go to Optus I standby my view the A-league thrives if its packaged with EPL.

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When you consider the typically younger demographic of aleague fans who it’s been proven consume content mostly via streaming; losing the aleague would probably kill Kayo over summer. Most NRL/AFL fans I know already scrap their subscription from November through to March as it is cause they’re not interested in anything else. 

All the espn content is available via the various season passes (NBA, NFL etc.) which the diehards probably already have anyway. 

70-80% of the cricket over summer is available on FTA and the content Fox has exclusively is hardly worth the cost alone. 

That leaves the NBL on ESPN which is also available entirely live and free via SBS on demand. 

The A-League is literally the only sport they have left exclusively that is worth the cost of a kayo subscription. 

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