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15 hours ago, 102megan said:

Victoria Police sent suspension letters last week to about 400 guards working across the security industry over allegations that “false, forged and/or fraudulently obtained documentation” was used to obtain their security licences.

https://www.theage.com.au/melbourne-news/hundreds-of-security-guards-banned-over-alleged-accreditation-fraud-20190626-p521k8.html

I'm not one for a conspiracy theory, but consider:

Football have issues with security? Tumbleweeds

AFL have issues with security? Suddenly, 400 guards have been suspended

 

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How many times have we said the security guards are different every week and this a massive part of the problem?

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Security guards at Bankwest in Thursday night were unable to prevent 2 pitch invaders and even when trying to catch them it was keystone cops stuff !! I didn't see the riot squad in attendance though.

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4 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

Security guards at Bankwest in Thursday night were unable to prevent 2 pitch invaders and even when trying to catch them it was keystone cops stuff !! I didn't see the riot squad in attendance though.

FUN FACT:  That's (at least) the SECOND game at Bankwest Stadium, where the security / cops have allowed pitch invaders onto the pitch.  

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39 minutes ago, 102megan said:

FUN FACT:  That's (at least) the SECOND game at Bankwest Stadium, where the security / cops have allowed pitch invaders onto the pitch.  

But I thought Elton John was not due for another couple of weeks.

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"Police drones to monitor crowds at footy, public events from next month"

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-drones-to-monitor-crowds-at-footy-public-events-from-next-month-20190709-p525jf.html?fbclid=IwAR3z6i6f1CgjaR0kOMj68nDlYYN_TA7cxAXFGNYBTARe9XDqnGBtG4XmDOk

 

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Police drones will be monitoring crowds at major Melbourne events and high-risk locations such as the MCG from next month following the launch of a specialist new drone unit.

 

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If the state jailed the entire population "for it's own good" to protect us from "terrorism" - bless the Fatherland for it knows best. Just remember if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Joking references to a 'nanny state' ain't cutting it anymore. 

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On 10/07/2019 at 7:25 PM, 102megan said:

 

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Other states including NSW and South Australia already use similar technology with drones allowing police to assess dangerous situations including bomb threats and sieges as well as conduct covert operations and rescue missions.

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This particularly applied to situations like AFL matches, he [ Liberty Victoria's Tim Warner ] said. "If they've got a cause for concern, if they had prior knowledge that some person meant to cause harm or a brawl started you could easily launch [drones] in a matter of seconds.

"But the idea you need to be monitoring all over the place, checking if a person is shouting at umpires as we saw with the Behavioural Awareness Officers, is patently a step too far."

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Queensland Police use DroneShield technology [which will be used by these drones too], as does the US military and UK army.

 

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I’m sure the cops will only use drones when absolutely necessary. They won’t like, hover over active fans and have people kicked out for no reason, or anything.

They won’t use them to instill fear or intimidate.

They won’t realise that they have little use for them and start using them for ridiculous things in the same way they do with sniffer dogs.

Nothing to see here.

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On 10/07/2019 at 9:37 PM, DamnedUnited said:

If the state jailed the entire population "for it's own good" to protect us from "terrorism" - bless the Fatherland for it knows best. Just remember if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. Joking references to a 'nanny state' ain't cutting it anymore. 

I’ll pay for your next away trip if you smile at the camera located above and proceed to rip the first flare 😜

joking reference on the paying part 

feel to light the first one up in Bankwest 

immortal status awaits 👌

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Bringing this back to the new stadium, stadium management, police at Parramatta & the Wanderers:

Lots of positive noise from all quarters regarding what we will come to expect from security and police at the stadium but after having the same management from SOP & previous poor experiences at Parramatta I’m a little skeptical to how it’s all going to turn out. Lots of damage has been done & I think it’s highly optimistic that all will go back to the way it was at the old stadium.

The Leeds game will be a good test case, with no march means riot squad & horses won’t be mandatory. The police commander at Parramatta LAC seems to want to change policing methods implemented in Australia, where if successful will be rolled out elsewhere & it seems like stadium management appear to be on board too. Can’t expect things to be fixed overnight, perfect on the first run & the harmony between the terrace/stands to be fixed overnight but fingers crossed.

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"Positive noise" in regards to security and police after they announce proposals to use drones at the AFL and all the security interference fans have faced. Not forgetting the insane scene of a security guard about to enter the field and interfere with play a few weeks back. "Fingers crossed" and wishful thinking. Journalists are being arrested and media outlets raided for the crime of doing their jobs occasionally. This season will be a shitfight. Of all the fields of engagement Football and Active will receive the least favourable attention. Uncross your fingers and buy a motorbike helmet for the batons and umbrella for the pepper spray. I like Gunner Wanderers gauntlet. 

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I'm with Prydz, in hoping for the best, and don't think it's  helpful to expect the worst as we sort of start afresh back at Parra.

Of course I could be totally wrong....but....self fulfilling prophesies are powerful.

Just saying. :):)

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16 minutes ago, DamnedUnited said:

Did someone spray Burn L.A Burn on the wall

Your posts are enigmatic at the best of times, DU. :xnod:

I don't know what that one means?

 

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Firefighters and Pyromaniacs. Some watched like a Nero L.A burn during the King riots. Was there a proposal club marshals were to wear body cams "for our protection". I feel so protected in this nappy state. 

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Ah ok.

I'm not really an optimist by nature...but some of your references and imagery  here make we want a dose of this!

The message I mean.

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16 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Ah ok.

I'm not really an optimist by nature...but some of your references and imagery  here make we want a dose of this!

 

We may end up hanging around on crosses singing, but where are we going to get an orchestra?

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9 minutes ago, mack said:

No animals? How come they play Rugby on it?

At least we shouldn't have any banana-throwers.

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6 hours ago, wendybr said:

Ah ok.

I'm not really an optimist by nature...but some of your references and imagery  here make we want a dose of this!

The message I mean.

Gee wendy....if you want to be crucified just go to the ESFC forum and call Brosque and their team a bunch of loud mouth,cheating,spitting chunts.....:ninja:

 

 

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Same sh#t gilded bucket. Of course the first gronks to "break the rules" are those that make them.

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21 hours ago, Prydzopolis said:

& I think it’s highly optimistic that all will go back to the way it was at the old stadium.

That's not necessarily a good thing.  Things were far from perfect at the old stadium.  Cops, security and stadium staff were so so far from perfect. 

21 hours ago, Prydzopolis said:

The Leeds game will be a good test case, with no march means riot squad & horses won’t be mandatory. 

That doesn't mean they won't be there.  I'd argue there have been riot squad and horses at more matches without marches, than matches with marches. 

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On 13/07/2019 at 11:44 AM, wendybr said:

Ah ok.

I'm not really an optimist by nature...but some of your references and imagery  here make we want a dose of this!

The message I mean.

 

On 13/07/2019 at 12:02 PM, Edinburgh said:

We may end up hanging around on crosses singing, but where are we going to get an orchestra?

I've been thinking about this.**

Given that we have been and are crucified by the press, police and security, and left in the wilderness with dwindling crowds, this could be our theme song!

@wendybr - not uplifting enough for a walk out song, but West Ham do have Blowing Bubbles.

Maybe we could sing it after a disappointing match/result!

 

 

 

 

**Maybe I should do less of this.

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On 13/07/2019 at 6:44 PM, 102megan said:

That's not necessarily a good thing.  Things were far from perfect at the old stadium.  Cops, security and stadium staff were so so far from perfect. 

That doesn't mean they won't be there.  I'd argue there have been riot squad and horses at more matches without marches, than matches with marches. 

Be honest, when you compare what we had at Parramatta to what we have experienced at SOP, it’s night & day but point taken. It wasn’t great, let’s hope that a pro-football LAC commander sees a change in the way our games are policed.

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Regarding riot squad, are there any games you mention in particular. Don’t forget that the NSW riot police are based out of SOP, attending our matches was mandatory. 

Based on crowd estimates of 16k (approx) & no march it should see a very low police presence. This is based off If/when marches are held, horses & riot squad are mandatory. If no march, policing levels will be based off risk.

On 13/07/2019 at 8:59 AM, wendybr said:

Your posts are enigmatic at the best of times, DU. :xnod:

I don't know what that one means?

Completely understand the healthy dose of skepticism DU, it was why I phrased it with plenty of hope & didn’t deal in absolutes. Don’t think that I’ve been fooled into thinking that all the problems will be solved by the stadium move or will magically be solved by the Leeds game.

Let’s reconvene after the Leeds game where we can reassess where we stand between my scenario of hope & yours of despair.

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