Police, Security & Supporter Discussion Part 2

[ColdRock]

This thread is for flare use only, if you would like to discuss attendances, ratings or football in the media there are threads for those topics. Now bog off and enjoy your sanitised soccer comp

[GD07]

Everyone should watch this. 

 

Edited December 18, 2017 by GD07

[SomeGuy1977]

Coming soon to a New Year's Eve party or a WSW game near you

War on terror: why NSW Police will now be armed with high-powered assault rifles

Military-style assault rifles have become the latest weapon against terror and organised crime, with specialist police now trained to use the semi-automatic weapons "in the most difficult situations" across the state.

NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller announced on Monday that 47 officers from the Public Order and Riot Squad had been issued with the Colt M4 carbines and the squad's other 50 members would be trained by the middle of next year.

The firearms, which are described by its manufacturer as the "United States Armed Forces' weapon of choice and the weapon of the 21st century warfighter", would be carried by officers in the small, mobile teams as they made their patrols across Sydney.

That would include New Year's Eve celebrations.

But Mr Fuller said the guns would not be seen by the public in general street patrols "at this stage" unless there was a change in the current terror threat, which has remained at a "probable" level since September, 2014.

"One of the keys is if there was a change in the threat level from probable to higher then there is no point saying to you 'I want to have a long-arm capability'," he said.

"So I suppose the first [step] is if there was a change in the national terrorist threat level then I can put long arms on the street today."

He later added: "We are ready to go. If there was a specific threat somewhere they would be deployed either in a preventative way or a destructive way or we can respond.

"So we certainly won't hesitate in using them and perhaps next year, depending on the environment, you may see officers deployed in a standard patrolling type method with these types of firearms.

"But we need to talk to the community about that and we need to let people know that this is just a changing environment.

Mr Fuller first announced the introduction of the assault rifles in July following lengthy research to identify the right type of weapon and training.

Deputy Commissioner (Investigations and Special Tactics) Dave Hudson said the 10-day training program had been "acknowledged as world's best practice" and was on top of the four-day "active armed offender" training recently undertaken by all frontline police across the state.

Mr Hudson said the general duties-issued Glock pistol was shown to be less effective in incidents "over 25 metres" and research had shown "most incidents overseas have occurred at a distance over 25 metres and up to a distance of 100 metres".

"Obviously the carrying of these firearms creates a deterrent effect as well, as well as resolving an incident," Mr Hudson said.

"So based on the nature of the incident that we are responding to, or the public issue that we are attending, there may be a need to sling these firearms and for the Public Order and Riot Squad to forward deploy with them.

"That will be an assessment made on a case-by-case basis based on a number of situations and circumstances which will feed into risk assessments."

Police Minister Troy Grant acknowledged there could be some criticism levelled at the introduction of the weapons.

"There may be some in our community who may be confronted by the fact that police now have a greater capacity in relation to their firearms and their arsenal," Mr Grant said.

"But I think more so, the community will be comforted by the fact that police have that capability to keep them safe.

"It is a reality that the world we live in is changing. We wish we didn't have to move down this path and we hope that these firearms will never need to be used.

"That is our sincere hope."

Mr Fuller said there was no immediate plan to have the guns available to the rest of the state's police officers, including having them carried in general duties vehicles.

"It is certainly possible, but certainly not in the coming months. We need to have that conversation," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/war-on-terror-why-nsw-police-will-now-be-armed-with-highpowered-assault-rifles-20171218-h06lkg.html

 

[DinoPresinger]

great now I'm getting shot with a semi-automatic instead of a glock for standing instead of sitting in my seat.

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

you should be shot with a semi-automatic for saying "glock" imo

[Swanderer]

Colt Carbines , Ok, that's appropriate. Just issue the Lassoo rope and  a ten gallon hat and these Cowboys will be outfitted correctly

[ManfredSchaefer]

Ohhh...the updated 'plastic fantastic' M-16 gets handed out to the boys in blue.

Remember playing with one of those back in my NEU Company days...nice bit of kit for playing soldiers with, but not sure about its use in a civilian environment. The 5.56mm round doesn't have as much stopping power as a 7.62mm, and to be honest wouldn't want to be the guy needing to use one in a crowd with bad guys mingled in among them.

No expert but when you weaponise cops to this extent & have them out on patrol that is surely inherently more dangerous than having more PC Plods in the first place doing their job better. Oh, and there is no real deterrence coming from an M-16 update when the main threat that has necessitated this policy  (i.e. ISIS style terrorists) are unafraid of dying anyway.

[Edinburgh]

21 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

Ohhh...the updated 'plastic fantastic' M-16 gets handed out to the boys in blue.

Remember playing with one of those back in my NEU Company days...nice bit of kit for playing soldiers with, but not sure about its use in a civilian environment. The 5.56mm round doesn't have as much stopping power as a 7.62mm, and to be honest wouldn't want to be the guy needing to use one in a crowd with bad guys mingled in among them.

No expert but when you weaponise cops to this extent & have them out on patrol that is surely inherently more dangerous than having more PC Plods in the first place doing their job better. Oh, and there is no real deterrence coming from an M-16 update when the main threat that has necessitated this policy  (i.e. ISIS style terrorists) are unafraid of dying anyway.

Apparently the pistols they have aren't very effective beyond 25 yards so they need weapons effective over 100 yards to deal with potential terrorist situations.

[mack]

Since they aren't required to use FMJ ammo like the Army would, if they had AP rounds the stopping power compared to a 7.62mm round would be pointless to compare. They'll both blow through almost any armour at the short ranges of an likely terror scenario. Giving them to the Riot squad seems ridiculous though, turning them into another paramilitary force when the existing one were shown to be woefully under-prepared for the Lindt siege (where they killed a hostage, flashbanged themselves & couldn't get a door open).

[Erebus]

We see any of this ish at a football game and we should all just walk the fek out.

another article said they will be there for NYE. Not sure if that means in public sight or in a van ready to be deployed...but ffs

"incidents overseas"  - they are talking about all those mass shootings in USA right? Because we've had so many of them here since Howard enacted gun control after Port Arthur.

[sonar]

12 minutes ago, Erebus said:

We see any of this ish at a football game and we should all just walk the fek out.

 

This may be cynical but I was thinking they may want to "show off" their new firepower to the public. Nothing would generate more publicity for them than showing those sokkah thugs who's in charge. Murdoch's rags would lap it up.

[Wobblies]

One needs to realise that these weapons will only be deployed in extreme cases such as Wanderers home games and maybe certain away games.

The Police Commissioner Herr Fuller stated that Sokkah Hooligans will not be allowed to terrorise this State and this firepower will be used to prevent the hooligans from standing on seats and anyone holding their hands above their heads will be considered a threat to the Police and may suffer the consequences (reporters from News Corp were jubilant and were overheard to say "about time") An ABC reporter asked if said fans (holding their hands above their heads) were indicating surrender...the Commissioner said this is a ploy suicide bombers used and we will not be fooled.

As the Commissioner finished his press conference he was struggling in vain with his right arm as it involuntary shoots upward and then the arm straightens into an angle of 45 degrees.

The Commissioner then left and goose stepped I mean walked to his bullet proof armored  car. When asked why he needed and armored car he said that Wanderers supporters were known to launch paper aeroplanes and as he and all NSW Police put their lives at risk each day he needed this protection. 

[Unlimited]

9 hours ago, mack said:

Since they aren't required to use FMJ ammo like the Army would, if they had AP rounds the stopping power compared to a 7.62mm round would be pointless to compare. They'll both blow through almost any armour at the short ranges of an likely terror scenario. Giving them to the Riot squad seems ridiculous though, turning them into another paramilitary force when the existing one were shown to be woefully under-prepared for the Lindt siege (where they killed a hostage, flashbanged themselves & couldn't get a door open).

Yeah I saw the security footage of that

Amateur hour

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

8 hours ago, Unlimited said:

Yeah I saw the security footage of that

Amateur hour

of course they're amateurs when it comes to terrorism ffs.

[Prydzopolis]

Last night saw some exceptional police work by some Wanderers Members off duty officers going to the game.

We were on a Western line train to Lidcombe and a drunk/mentally ill man was making unwanted approaches to women on the train (full of Wanderers fans mind you) & dealt with him appropriately.

After all the negative experiences we have had with police in the past, great to see some positive ones. Well done to those involved & important that these events get the kudos they deserve.

[mack]

Drama in The Den.

 

[GunnerWanderer]

Seriously just a nanny state

 

[Erebus]

lol at the "don't read stupid $h1t from Ben Clark" part.

Have always heard the seccos and cops at Suncorp are dicks. Stopping away supporters from moving within the bay, standing up, shirts off etc. Power trips from a rugby league loving authorities. Fining a guy for swearing in active. Get fkced. As if you don't hear worse at the state of origin or AFL matches. What a joke.

They should protest and not go back until the fine is rescinded. Sounds like the club don't care and its this reason why The Den have gone from at least in the top 5 active support groups 5 years ago, to nothing. Has happened across the entire league and not unique to The Den.

FFA, cops and seccos have killed football atmosphere.

[marron]

top 5 a-league active support is a bit like making the a-league finals though isn't it.

 

Well I'm sure now the naughty nasty hooligans have been silenced there will be a massive increase in crowds as bucket heads attend in droves. 

 

 

[btron3000]

2 hours ago, marron said:

top 5 a-league active support is a bit like making the a-league finals though isn't it.

Haha it’s a lot like the A-League! Each year two teams up top (except with fans its the same each year), a gap to the rest of the average ones that make the top 6, and the useless muppets at the bottom!

[Johnno]

so you can use your seat at suncorp as a toilet at the NRL, but dont dare swear at the football.  mmk

[mack]

Another game with a security issue. Last night at the sfc game there was a supporter who tweeted about a guard which nearly got into a fight.

[luisenrique]

What is their actual justification for not allowing banners critical of the FFA? Have they ever mentioned that, or been asked about it by anyone other than fans?

[mack]

"it's not an authorised banner"

[luisenrique]

Surely a boycott is imminent? Proper authoritarian stuff this, not allowing banners critical of the overlords in. 

[mack]

I'm not sure there's enough organised resistance to make it happen now unless something major occurs.

[MajorMelons]

Apparently they got kicked out for trying to start fights with ADL fans after banner was confiscated. 

[Prydzopolis]

He is usually spot on, very reliable

[Prydzopolis]

Was this it Mack? Allowed to wear all sorts of stuff at other events but different standard at A-League games?

 

[Erebus]

I still haven't seen an answer from Allianz about that.

talk about double standards. I wouldn't be surprised if there are boycotts planned throughout the finals series. Probably the best way to screw over FFA and make your voices heard.