Off Topic Thread 4

[JoFo]

32 minutes ago, FCB said:

Well, I shall stick with  "You shall love your neighbor as yourself"  then. 

I believe that was in one of the gospels, was thought in the Catholic bible school I attended, and emphasized alturism. I shall use this phrase from now on.

No, I am asking them to put people before dogma, the stuff they made up. Celebacy is a human invention, introduced as "teaching" 1000 years ago. I doubt that altar boys would be raped if Catholic priests could have sex like they are meant to have.

Aren't you letting the church elders off the hook too easily? Rome knew about it, covered it up, and provided a refuge for perpetrators. People like Georg Ratzinger, the brother of the last pope. Over decades. Vatican Pty Ltd at it's foulest.

Not sure why you make a reference to atheism. I am neither an atheist, nor do I believe I argued for it. I believe that faith and church are two different things but are fused together.

What I do stress is how the older generation in my home town spoke. Catholic church goers, all prim and proper, but 40,000 dead in a concentration camp just down the road, and the Jewish community entirely gone. But "not everything Hitler did was bad" talk. Yeah yeah. 

 

None of anything you are saying is equating to the SSM debate in Oz though, which is what we are talking about. If you want to talk about the child abuse scandal we can and I would be more critical than probably all of you since it is obviously much closer to home for me than to a non religious person, but it is totally separate to the SSM debate. Celebacy is it's own issue but that isn't the root cause of what happened, there are many many more pedophiles who abuse children who have no form of celebacy to adhere to. It is and always will be an abuse of power, from the committing of the acts to the hiding of them. 

Again I don't know why you draw this connection between the Holocaust and anything we are talking about. 

26 minutes ago, marron said:

@fairy But we're Christian and we don't. So... (I say this not to say that Christianity holds back the vote here, but to say, the list is not proof one way or the other.)

 

@Jofo

I keep saying it's about context. Its not just secularism. Its the entire history behind it. Japan has its history. It did not ecperience what western democracies have done. Putting it simply, It doesn't have enlightenment thinking in its DNA, taught in schools,  valued in the same way. Neither does Uganda. China. Turkey. Russia. Now maybe there's an argument that says Christianity was inherently weak and allowed the changes to occur and hence is responsible. That ignores trade and money, imperial drive, creation of middle classes, etc etc... not to mentiom thevresistance to ideals of equality among beliefs - but even then, saying Christianity created this situation is a bit disingenuous then isn't it.

 

what beliefs only held by Christians make Christianity the religion which fosters acceptance of homosexuality? 

 

Not saying Christianity created that situation, saying it is easily the most allowing of that situation to occur and prosper and if those countries had another majority religion then SSM wouldn't be legalised in them. How quickly did Turkey go from Ottoman to secularism and now heading back towards fundamentalism. Iran, Syria, Afghanistan etc have all become less liberal. Wahhabism is spreading much faster than more liberal Islamic movement. It's only Christian nations that become progressively more liberal, in fact, I can't think of a single Christian nation that has become more conservative? Sure there are some that are still conservative but once steps towards progressive movements have been made they have never reverted.

There is also the belief that repercussions for your actions will be in the afterlife. There is no earthly penalty for leaving Christianity in it's teachings, unlike Islam where it is punishable by death in some places. Same goes for Homosexuality. It's just a 'sin', meanwhile in other religions and regions it's an actual crime punishable by death, whippings (Indonesia), jail, etc. A lot of other religions and secular places like China punish acts against them. Christianity really doesn't in anyway. In fact it teaches acceptance of those people (not acceptance of the sin).  

19 minutes ago, Carns said:

I would argue that is because the Australian political landscape has been so fractured over the last 5-10 years (5 different PMs in that period, minority Governments etc.) that they've been more concerned with appeasing factions within their party rather than passing legislation which has the support of the public.

SSM has been supported by a majority of Australians for much of the last decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Australia#Public_opinion

I'd completely agree. 

[Zelinsky]

jofo,

I posted this a few days ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/paedophile-priest-gerald-ridsdale-abused-girl-on-church-altar-victorian-court-told

The current debates here emerged from it. 

We will have to leave the Holocaust issue be. I know what I mean, but I fail to communicate it, or so it seems. 

 

 

 

[mack]

Ah the Holocaust. This will make for some good, rational debate.

[Legionista]

"Catholicism made us do it"

ja ja

[Legionista]

"We were just following orders, God's orders!"

ja ja

[JackDoff]

 

[EmMac]

On 20/08/2017 at 6:03 PM, Carns said:

 

They still recite prayer in Australian Parliament http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/aso/so050

For a supposedly secular country, Christianity sure still has a strong presence.

Yep, that really bugs me. That whole Chaplancy program is just another stealth tactic to get religion into the heads of children. Leave religion out of our govermment and out of the governing of this country. 

[sonar]

1 minute ago, JackDoff said:

 

I think what Jack is trying to say is.......

[Smoggy]

100 greatest comedies of all time according to a list complied by the BBC with film critics - http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170821-the-100-greatest-comedies-of-all-time

Personally I wouldn't put any Woody Allen movie in the top 100.....never mind top 10....'Some Like it Hot' the greatest ever comedy.....yeah nah........would be a good weekend working your way through this top 10 or 20 though,.. Withnail and I only at 24 lol

 

100. (tie) The King of Comedy (Martin Scorsese, 1982)
100. The Ladies Man (Jerry Lewis, 1961)
99. The Jerk (Carl Reiner, 1979)
98. The Hangover (Todd Phillips, 2009)
97. The Music Box (James Parrott, 1932)
96. Born Yesterday (George Cukor, 1950)
95. Ghostbusters (Ivan Reitman, 1984)
94. Rushmore (Wes Anderson, 1998)
93. South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (Trey Parker, 1999)
92. The Exterminating Angel (Luis Buñuel, 1962)
91. What's Up, Doc? (Peter Bogdanovich, 1972)
90. A New Leaf (Elaine May, 1971)
89. Daisies (Vera Chytilová, 1966)
88. Zoolander (Ben Stiller, 2001)
87. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (Howard Hawks, 1953)
86. Kind Hearts and Coronets (Robert Hamer, 1949)
85. Amarcord (Federico Fellini, 1973)
84. Waiting for Guffman (Christopher Guest, 1996)
83. Safety Last! (Fred C Newmeyer and Sam Taylor, 1923)
82. Top Secret! (Jim Abrahams, David Zucker and Jerry Zucker, 1984)
81. There's Something About Mary (Bobby and Peter Farrelly, 1998)
80. Office Space (Mike Judge, 1999)
79. The Dinner Game (Francis Veber, 1998)
78. The Princess Bride (Rob Reiner, 1987)
77. Divorce Italian Style (Pietro Germi, 1961)
76. Design for Living (Ernst Lubitsch, 1933)
75. The Palm Beach Story (Preston Sturges, 1942)
74. Trading Places (John Landis, 1983)
73. The Nutty Professor (Jerry Lewis, 1963)
72. The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad! (David Zucker, 1988)
71. The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson, 2001)
70. In the Loop (Armando Iannucci, 2009)
69. Love and Death (Woody Allen, 1975)
68. Ninotchka (Ernst Lubitsch, 1939)
67. Sons of the Desert (William A Seiter, 1933)
66. Hot Fuzz (Edgar Wright, 2007)
65. Caddyshack (Harold Ramis, 1980)
64. Step Brothers (Adam McKay, 2008)
63. Arsenic and Old Lace (Frank Capra, 1944)
62. What We Do in the Shadows (Jemaine Clement and Taika Waititi, 2014)
61. Team America: World Police (Trey Parker, 2004)
60. Shaun of the Dead (Edgar Wright, 2004)
59. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade, 2016)
58. Zelig (Woody Allen, 1983)
57. Mean Girls (Mark Waters, 2004)
56. Broadcast News (James L Brooks, 1987)
55. Best in Show (Christopher Guest, 2000)
54. Harold and Maude (Hal Ashby, 1971)
53. The Blues Brothers (John Landis, 1980)
52. My Man Godfrey (Gregory La Cava, 1936)
51. Seven Chances (Buster Keaton, 1925)
50. Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown (Pedro Almodóvar, 1988)
49. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Luis Buñuel, 1972)
48. Trouble in Paradise (Ernst Lubitsch, 1932)
47. Animal House (John Landis, 1978)
46. Pulp Fiction (Quentin Tarantino, 1994)
45. Big Deal on Madonna Street (Mario Monicelli, 1958)
44. Bridesmaids (Paul Feig, 2011)
43. M*A*S*H (Robert Altman, 1970)
42. The Awful Truth (Leo McCarey, 1937)
41. Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan (Larry Charles, 2006)
40. The Producers (Mel Brooks, 1967)
39. A Night at the Opera (Sam Wood and Edmund Goulding, 1935)
38. The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940)
37. Sullivan’s Travels (Preston Sturges, 1941)
36. A Fish Called Wanda (Charles Crichton and John Cleese, 1988)
35. Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly, 1952)
34. Clueless (Amy Heckerling, 1995)
33. Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (Adam McKay, 2004)
32. Raising Arizona (Joel and Ethan Coen, 1987)
31. Tootsie (Sydney Pollack, 1982)
30. Monsieur Hulot's Holiday (Jacques Tati, 1953)
29. When Harry Met Sally... (Rob Reiner, 1989)
28. It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934)
27. The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960)
26. Mon Oncle (Jacques Tati, 1958)
25. The Gold Rush (Charlie Chaplin, 1925)
24. Withnail and I (Bruce Robinson, 1987)
23. The Party (Blake Edwards, 1968)
22. Young Frankenstein (Mel Brooks, 1974)
21. City Lights (Charlie Chaplin, 1931)
20. Blazing Saddles (Mel Brooks, 1974)
19. The Lady Eve (Preston Sturges, 1941)
18. Sherlock Jr (Buster Keaton, 1924)
17. Bringing Up Baby (Howard Hawks, 1938)
16. The Great Dictator (Charlie Chaplin, 1940)
15. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones, 1975)
14. His Girl Friday (Howard Hawks, 1940)
13. To Be or Not To Be (Ernst Lubitsch, 1942)
12. Modern Times (Charlie Chaplin, 1936)
11. The Big Lebowski (Joel and Ethan Coen, 1998)
10. The General (Clyde Bruckman and Buster Keaton, 1926)
9. This Is Spinal Tap (Rob Reiner, 1984)
8. Playtime (Jacques Tati, 1967)
7. Airplane! (Jim Abrahams, David Zucker and Jerry Zucker, 1980)
6. Life of Brian (Terry Jones, 1979)
5. Duck Soup (Leo McCarey, 1933)
4. Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis, 1993)
3. Annie Hall (Woody Allen, 1977)
2. Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (Stanley Kubrick, 1964)
1. Some Like It Hot (Billy Wilder, 1959)

Edited August 23, 2017 by WSWBoro

[sonar]

I would watch.......6,15,20,23,47,53,61,65,72,....some movies that are not on the list.........Close Encounters, 2001 A Space Oddessy, Platoon,

Edited August 23, 2017 by sonar

[thefairy]

Boring! 

Where are the Adam Sandler movies???

[Carns]

Meh, critics always try to be more intellectual in their choices. I wouldn't take that as any sort of gospel, much like music criticism. It's very much a subjective decision, and I feel they are usually nostalgic for older material and put it on a pedestal that modern stuff will never achieve (until people become nostalgic for it).

E.g. the best rated movie of this century is at #33. And Groundhog Day is the only film in the Top 30 that has been released since 1990. A crock of ****.

[Smoggy]

10 minutes ago, Carns said:

Meh, critics always try to be more intellectual in their choices. I wouldn't take that as any sort of gospel, much like music criticism. It's very much a subjective decision, and I feel they are usually nostalgic for older material and put it on a pedestal that modern stuff will never achieve (until people become nostalgic for it).

E.g. the best rated movie of this century is at #33. And Groundhog Day is the only film in the Top 30 that has been released since 1990. A crock of ****.

Dont know some of the pre 70's ones to be honest. Good to see the Mel Brooks films well placed. I agree on your critics comments, only they could put Annie Hall in the top 3 lol

[Carns]

2 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

Dont know some of the pre 70's ones to be honest. Good to see the Mel Brooks films well placed. I agree on your critics comments, only they could put Annie Hall in the top 3 lol

Brooks, Python, Reiner (Spinal Tap), Adam McKay and the Coen brothers all deserve a better position IMO. But again, it's all personal taste.

[Smoggy]

Also..correct me if wrong here...but no John Candy movie such as Planes, Trains and Automobiles or Cool Runnings.....and yet ******* Zoolander is in there...lol

 

[marron]

3 hours ago, Carns said:

Meh, critics always try to be more intellectual in their choices. I wouldn't take that as any sort of gospel, much like music criticism. It's very much a subjective decision, and I feel they are usually nostalgic for older material and put it on a pedestal that modern stuff will never achieve (until people become nostalgic for it).

E.g. the best rated movie of this century is at #33. And Groundhog Day is the only film in the Top 30 that has been released since 1990. A crock of ****.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[thefairy]

4 hours ago, WSWBoro said:

Also..correct me if wrong here...but no John Candy movie such as Planes, Trains and Automobiles or Cool Runnings.....and yet ******* Zoolander is in there...lol

Or home alone!! How good was John Candy in that!!

[luisenrique]

6 hours ago, marron said:

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

The Big Lebowski being anything short of no.1 is a disgrace.

 

[mack]

11 hours ago, WSWBoro said:

Also..correct me if wrong here...but no John Candy movie such as Planes, Trains and Automobiles or Cool Runnings.....and yet ******* Zoolander is in there...lol

 

Blues Brothers. Although he wasn't the star.

[thefairy]

10 hours ago, luisenrique said:

The Big Lebowski being anything short of no.1 is a disgrace.

 

Never watched it. Is it the one with John Candy in it?

[Carns]

12 hours ago, thefairy said:

Never watched it. Is it the one with John Candy in it?

[Smoggy]

My son got this birthday card from Santa and the boys in the post tonight, made his year lol Those here with kids that have membership have prob seen this already...the card is now stood on his bedside table  I am feeling very jealous! It was my birthday not long ago and I would have loved a card from Santa and the boys! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Taurus]

Property sold, officially homeless in 42 days

[Smoggy]

Hoping to find a dodgy link for the Mayweather v McGregor fight tomorrow afternoon as can't be bothered finding it elsewhere, mind it annoys me that I don't understand boxing like I did back when I was a kid  in the late 80's and early 90's. I know these two and about this match up, but my boxing knowledge is far from what it was.

Just seen clips of the Irish in Las Vegas for fight, can you imagine how mental it will be with all those Irish in Las Vegas  I would like to be there.

 

 

[Neverbloom]

On 8/23/2017 at 11:01 AM, WSWBoro said:

100 greatest comedies of all time according to a list complied by the BBC with film critics - http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20170821-the-100-greatest-comedies-of-all-time

Personally I wouldn't put any Woody Allen movie in the top 100.....never mind top 10....'Some Like it Hot' the greatest ever comedy.....yeah nah........would be a good weekend working your way through this top 10 or 20 though,.. Withnail and I only at 24 lol

 

100. (tie) The King of Comedy (Martin Scorsese, 1982)
100. The Ladies Man (Jerry Lewis, 1961)
99. The Jerk (Carl Reiner, 1979)
98. The Hangover (Todd Phillips, 2009)
97. The Music Box (James Parrott, 1932)
96. Born Yesterday (George Cukor, 1950)
95. Ghostbusters (Ivan Reitman, 1984)
94. Rushmore (Wes Anderson, 1998)
93. South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (Trey Parker, 1999)
92. The Exterminating Angel (Luis Buñuel, 1962)
91. What's Up, Doc? (Peter Bogdanovich, 1972)
90. A New Leaf (Elaine May, 1971)
89. Daisies (Vera Chytilová, 1966)
88. Zoolander (Ben Stiller, 2001)
87. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes (Howard Hawks, 1953)
86. Kind Hearts and Coronets (Robert Hamer, 1949)
85. Amarcord (Federico Fellini, 1973)
84. Waiting for Guffman (Christopher Guest, 1996)
83. Safety Last! (Fred C Newmeyer and Sam Taylor, 1923)
82. Top Secret! (Jim Abrahams, David Zucker and Jerry Zucker, 1984)
81. There's Something About Mary (Bobby and Peter Farrelly, 1998)
80. Office Space (Mike Judge, 1999)
79. The Dinner Game (Francis Veber, 1998)
78. The Princess Bride (Rob Reiner, 1987)
77. Divorce Italian Style (Pietro Germi, 1961)
76. Design for Living (Ernst Lubitsch, 1933)
75. The Palm Beach Story (Preston Sturges, 1942)
74. Trading Places (John Landis, 1983)
73. The Nutty Professor (Jerry Lewis, 1963)
72. The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad! (David Zucker, 1988)
71. The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson, 2001)
70. In the Loop (Armando Iannucci, 2009)
69. Love and Death (Woody Allen, 1975)
68. Ninotchka (Ernst Lubitsch, 1939)
67. Sons of the Desert (William A Seiter, 1933)
66. Hot Fuzz (Edgar Wright, 2007)
65. Caddyshack (Harold Ramis, 1980)
64. Step Brothers (Adam McKay, 2008)
63. Arsenic and Old Lace (Frank Capra, 1944)
62. What We Do in the Shadows (Jemaine Clement and Taika Waititi, 2014)
61. Team America: World Police (Trey Parker, 2004)
60. Shaun of the Dead (Edgar Wright, 2004)
59. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade, 2016)
58. Zelig (Woody Allen, 1983)
57. Mean Girls (Mark Waters, 2004)
56. Broadcast News (James L Brooks, 1987)
55. Best in Show (Christopher Guest, 2000)
54. Harold and Maude (Hal Ashby, 1971)
53. The Blues Brothers (John Landis, 1980)
52. My Man Godfrey (Gregory La Cava, 1936)
51. Seven Chances (Buster Keaton, 1925)
50. Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown (Pedro Almodóvar, 1988)
49. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Luis Buñuel, 1972)
48. Trouble in Paradise (Ernst Lubitsch, 1932)
47. Animal House (John Landis, 1978)
46. Pulp Fiction (Quentin Tarantino, 1994)
45. Big Deal on Madonna Street (Mario Monicelli, 1958)
44. Bridesmaids (Paul Feig, 2011)
43. M*A*S*H (Robert Altman, 1970)
42. The Awful Truth (Leo McCarey, 1937)
41. Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan (Larry Charles, 2006)
40. The Producers (Mel Brooks, 1967)
39. A Night at the Opera (Sam Wood and Edmund Goulding, 1935)
38. The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940)
37. Sullivan’s Travels (Preston Sturges, 1941)
36. A Fish Called Wanda (Charles Crichton and John Cleese, 1988)
35. Singin' in the Rain (Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly, 1952)
34. Clueless (Amy Heckerling, 1995)
33. Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (Adam McKay, 2004)
32. Raising Arizona (Joel and Ethan Coen, 1987)
31. Tootsie (Sydney Pollack, 1982)
30. Monsieur Hulot's Holiday (Jacques Tati, 1953)
29. When Harry Met Sally... (Rob Reiner, 1989)
28. It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934)
27. The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960)
26. Mon Oncle (Jacques Tati, 1958)
25. The Gold Rush (Charlie Chaplin, 1925)
24. Withnail and I (Bruce Robinson, 1987)
23. The Party (Blake Edwards, 1968)
22. Young Frankenstein (Mel Brooks, 1974)
21. City Lights (Charlie Chaplin, 1931)
20. Blazing Saddles (Mel Brooks, 1974)
19. The Lady Eve (Preston Sturges, 1941)
18. Sherlock Jr (Buster Keaton, 1924)
17. Bringing Up Baby (Howard Hawks, 1938)
16. The Great Dictator (Charlie Chaplin, 1940)
15. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones, 1975)
14. His Girl Friday (Howard Hawks, 1940)
13. To Be or Not To Be (Ernst Lubitsch, 1942)
12. Modern Times (Charlie Chaplin, 1936)
11. The Big Lebowski (Joel and Ethan Coen, 1998)
10. The General (Clyde Bruckman and Buster Keaton, 1926)
9. This Is Spinal Tap (Rob Reiner, 1984)
8. Playtime (Jacques Tati, 1967)
7. Airplane! (Jim Abrahams, David Zucker and Jerry Zucker, 1980)
6. Life of Brian (Terry Jones, 1979)
5. Duck Soup (Leo McCarey, 1933)
4. Groundhog Day (Harold Ramis, 1993)
3. Annie Hall (Woody Allen, 1977)
2. Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (Stanley Kubrick, 1964)
1. Some Like It Hot (Billy Wilder, 1959)

 

[JackDoff]

So Mayweather won.... McGregor couldn't beat a 40 yr old......let's face it , Mayweather got to where he is by being good at what he does , boxing , n probs some dodgy bullshit which happens in that sport !  McGregor is good at what he does , MMA , but they're 2 different sports. From what I can gather , Mayweather just waited until the lactic acid build up in McGregor made him slow right down then just kept hitting him in the head until the ref stopped it. 

Dont really give a rats TBH, these 2 pricks made more out of this fight than I would in 100 lifetimes of work!    

[Prydzopolis]

I managed to get through the day without dealing with all the fight rubbish! Pretty happy with that  

Funny how all these random people become boxing pros for one day then disappear. Never got the sport myself, I just never got into it and can't. There is such huge interest over fights like these and others like Mundine/Green but so short lived before it goes back into the periphery.

[Smoggy]

22 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

I managed to get through the day without dealing with all the fight rubbish! Pretty happy with that  

Funny how all these random people become boxing pros for one day then disappear. Never got the sport myself, I just never got into it and can't. There is such huge interest over fights like these and others like Mundine/Green but so short lived before it goes back into the periphery.

I find it sad that boxing isn't what it was, when I was a kid just about a whole nation stayed up to watch Barry McGuigan become world chap in 1985, one of the first times I was ever allowed to stay up and watch something, milions tuned in and 700,000 people were on the streets of Belfast after he returned, now THAT was an Irish boxer. Then there Frank Bruno lol He was more comedy value to be honest, never seen as a top boxer but everyone wanted him to do it. Then there was Nigel Benn,  Chris Eubank and Lennox Lewis, all good value. Eubank especially was a arrogant chunt, you either loved or hated him, some epic battles with Irishman Collins who I wanted to batter Eubank. In those days I knew all the weight categories and the champions and main contenders within each weight from most countries. I knew who most of the promoters were and the commentators, each fight were anticipated and I loved it.

If you ask me these days about how world boxing is set up, ask me who the champions are in each section or who the top boxer are I wouldn't really have much idea. It is all over complicated now and hidden behind pay walls.

Snooker is a bit like that also now, in the mid 80's a whole nation stayed up to until midnight to watch Dennis Taylor win in the black ball final, snooker which lets face it is a boring as **** 'sport' was packed full of players with personality, ask me these days who the top snooker players are I would struggle.

This makes me sad. 

Edited August 27, 2017 by WSWBoro

[mack]

 

[Neverbloom]

everyone needs to watch this