mack Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 I doubt FFA can force Melbourne City to do anything regarding a contract between Manchester City and a free agent. It is my understanding that for the salary cap burden of a player, the only things that are included are the players parent club wages (which I believe are included in the cap at 50%), or their wages and any loan fee that the A-League club pays to the Parent club, whichever is higher. Since Melb City aren't going to be paying a loan fee to Manchester City, and because CFG would sign Arzani as a free agent, they can offer him a smaller wage in exchange for a large sign-on bonus from a subsidiary in the UAE which the FFA can't touch, which will help them reduce their cap burden. FBT wouldn't apply to a sign-on bonus, just regular income tax. In any case for the purposes of the Salary Cap they'll only have his wages under the cap (as MelbC won't pay a loan fee to ManC), not any additional bonuses he was given to sign on with CFG which took place before he was loaned to any other club. Prydzopolis 1 Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So we going to get a last minute bit of transfer deadline fun? Surely we must be looking to bring somebody in. Mildly related a picture of my favourite EPL Transfer deadline moment Prydzopolis, Hiriser, eggs and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Upthehill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So I’ve heard people saying this before but I think you’re mixing up the Martinez thing where we paid 50% of his wage. It’s the reason why most loanees end up being marquees for accounting purposes when they come from countries with high wages Regarding sign on bonus, most certainly count under the cap. From the HAL site -“Unless specifically exempt, all payments and benefits (eg. cars, accommodation, etc) provided by a Club to a Player are included in the Club’s Salary Cap.” Really the only excludes expenses are relocation costs. Those get taxed by both Australia and the UK over a certain amount. So the player will lose almost everything over about 3000 pounds. Almost all relocation costs get hit under the Fringe benefits Tax Act. You can only avoid it if is a salary deduction. Rwgarding disclosure, the FFA loan form actually has a section for declared payments. If Melbourne don’t fill it in/lie and get caught, they’re season will be over Link to comment
mack Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Upthehill said: So I’ve heard people saying this before but I think you’re mixing up the Martinez thing where we paid 50% of his wage. It’s the reason why most loanees end up being marquees for accounting purposes when they come from countries with high wages The FFA changed the rules after the Rogic/Troisi loan deals to cover the fact that Troisi & Rogic were marquee level players being counted in the salary cap at the minimum wage as the very high loan fees weren't included in the salary cap. Only the minimum wage salary that Victory were paying Troisi & Rogic directly was. After that incident the FFA changed the rules so that clubs could not just avoid the salary cap by paying an upfront fee with a low direct wage contribution. At least that is my understanding of what the FFA did. 1 hour ago, Upthehill said: Regarding sign on bonus, most certainly count under the cap. From the HAL site -“Unless specifically exempt, all payments and benefits (eg. cars, accommodation, etc) provided by a Club to a Player are included in the Club’s Salary Cap.” Yes they count in the cap when an A-League club pays a bonus to a player. This would be a relocation bonus, or a sign-on bonus for a new contract by an A-League club. Note that paying a cash bonus to an employee so they could then arrange a relocation isn't FBT it's just income tax. If the employer arranges it and paid directly then it would be. In any case taxation isn't the issue. City Football Group of Dubai/Manchester City of England is not an A-League club. If City Football Group signed Arzani as a free agent he would be a CFG employee under contract to Dubai or England. The ATO would be interested in any sign-on bonus but the FFA would not be involved as yet except to sign off on the transfer certificate. If they then loan him to Melbourne City that is the point the FFA get involved with the salary cap, and as Melb C wouldn't be paying Manchester C any loan fee only his wages are included. The major problem when trying to sort out this stuff is that the FFA don't publish a full guideline anywhere. They have the basic information on the A-League site but it's not the whole set of cap rules. Prydzopolis 1 Link to comment
JayZko Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 no signs of signings EmMac 1 Link to comment
Davo Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 They’d just do a Neymar. PSG didn’t technically pay a transfer fee, Neymar payed his release clause out of his own pocket and signed for PSG as a free agent. The reason he could afford the 222 million Euro release clause was because Qatar’s rulers (PSG’s owners) hired him to be an ambassador for the 2022 World Cup. For 222 million Euros. CFG could just sign Arzani on a free transfer, make him a “brand ambassador” for Etihad Airways for a million dollars then pay him A-League minimum wage and loan him back to Melbourne City. Prydzopolis 1 Link to comment
Carns Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Chris Ikonomidis on loan. Lots of hype on the young Aussie, be curious how he goes. Prydzopolis and DinoPresinger 2 Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Carns said: Chris Ikonomidis on loan. Lots of hype on the young Aussie, be curious how he goes. Another smurf! theguyyouwishyouwere 1 Link to comment
hawks2767 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) That's more like it. ps. **** smurfs. Edited January 31, 2018 by hawks2767 Link to comment
wswnick Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So now we just need a CB Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Confirmed https://www.transfermarkt.se/christopher-oikonomidis/profil/spieler/248483 Link to comment
Carns Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Paul01 said: Another smurf! When did he play for ESFC? Link to comment
wswtragic Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Now ffs get some defenders!!!!! Link to comment
Kangaroo Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Welcome to WSW Family Chris! mack 1 Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Carns said: When did he play for ESFC? I saw him on a clip saying he supported the Smurfs. Played for Sutherland Sharks then went to Atalanta DinoPresinger 1 Link to comment
wswnick Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Hopefully if he turns out decent we can find a way to keep him unlike Martinez and Antonis... Link to comment
Upthehill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, mack said: Yes they count in the cap when an A-League club pays a bonus to a player. This would be a relocation bonus, or a sign-on bonus for a new contract by an A-League club. Note that paying a cash bonus to an employee so they could then arrange a relocation isn't FBT it's just income tax. If the employer arranges it and paid directly then it would be. In any case taxation isn't the issue. Re FBT that just simply isn’t true. I arrange this for my staff that come on 457 every single month. Doesn’t basically matter how it’s paid, you’re paying FBT adjustment come tax time. I’m not sure which accountant has advised you that but get a new one. Regarding payments included, we’ve had these discussion before on this thread with other involved. It’s about the year in which a bonus is paid in. It isn’t simply excluded because a parent company pays it. This would be abused to no end if this were the case. The written salary cap rules disagree with your interpretation on this Link to comment
sonar Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) http://www.novantesimo.com/ufficiale-lazio-ceduto-oikonomidis-al-western-sidney-wanderers/ From Google translate......... Last-minute surrender to Lazio, but departure totally painless, with a player who moved elsewhere on a temporary basis. This is Christopher Oikonomidis, Australian striker, who is sold to .............Western Sidney Wanderers. Here is the official statement that formalises the operation: "The S.S. Lazio announces that footballer Christopher Oikonomidis has been sold on a temporary basis until next June 30th at the Western Sydney Wanderers Football Club ". As mentioned earlier, it is a goodbye without too many regrets, from the moment the player had not yet fallen on the pitch with Lazio during this season............ They don't seem too upset he is leaving.....lol Edited January 31, 2018 by sonar Hughesy and EmMac 1 1 Link to comment
wswnick Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Mandatory highlights package: theguyyouwishyouwere, Upthehill, sonar and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment
mack Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, sonar said: had not yet fallen on the pitch Good enough for me. Erdz, sonar and Prydzopolis 3 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 How match (un)fit will he be? When was the last time he played a game? Does anyone know? Prydzopolis and tardotz 2 Link to comment
scarcev Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, wswnick said: Mandatory highlights package: After watching that highlights package why didn't we sign the right winger that gave him all of those gift tap in's... Edited January 31, 2018 by scarcev . GunnerWanderer, sonar, Prydzopolis and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment
mack Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, FCB said: How match (un)fit will he be? When was the last time he played a game? Does anyone know? Appears to be last April. tardotz and Zelinsky 2 Link to comment
sonar Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mack said: Appears to be last April. That's a long break from game time. I had a look at the Lazio website and he isn't in the team photo. http://www.sslazio.it/en/team/first-team Edited January 31, 2018 by sonar Zelinsky 1 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, mack said: Appears to be last April. Hmmm. If true then he should be up to speed in March. May if his middle name is Jumpei. Oh well, it is what it is. Link to comment
mack Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, scarcev said: After watching that highlights package why didn't we sign the right winger that gave him all of those gift tap in's... Simone Palombi, currently on loan at Salernitana. Not having a great season, stuck on the bench, only played a handful of games all season. Keeps getting hurt. Link to comment
luisenrique Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Gotta be better than what we've got. Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, luisenrique said: Gotta be better than what we've got. Should do better than Jumpei Link to comment
mintoff Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Carns said: When did he play for ESFC? I dont think he ever played for SFC Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Now can we sign Alberto back as a centre back he was sexual for us Edited January 31, 2018 by StringerBellend thefairy, MartinTyler and Paul01 3 Link to comment
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