Jets Tear Wanderers To Shreds

[EmMac]

I didn't watch it all. Will see if i can find the mark bridge interview. That sounds like it was revealing. 

Jan will be interesting. 

[wendybr]

1 hour ago, EmMac said:

I didn't watch it all. Will see if i can find the mark bridge interview. That sounds like it was revealing. 

Jan will be interesting. 

Only revealing in that he looked close to tears and struggled to articulate anything.

When asked what the problem was, he said things were "all over the shop" (which was later translated for Gombau as 'everything is a mess').

 Both Bridge and Gombau seemed beret of ideas.....and totally deflated, which is completely understandable. But hopefully they can shake themselves out of this attitude of defeat and helplessness.They have to.

[pudispencer]

7 hours ago, WestSyd said:

You really think that SFC supporters are realistic, and WSW supporters are deluded. You need to get a grip on reality.

 

What, so I am wrong? SFC haven't had shyte years? I'm deluded?

[lloydy136]

Foxe gone. Chaos.

[pudispencer]

8 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

Foxe gone. Chaos.

Rado is available.

[wendybr]

14 minutes ago, pudispencer said:

What, so I am wrong? SFC haven't had shyte years? I'm deluded?

No you're not deluded. Years and years.

[scarcev]

Foxe gone and rightly so, something had to give and he was telling everyone who would listen the Spaniards were restless and fighting with Gombau and other players and also leaked the last few training blow ups and unhappy players that wanted to leave.  Probably was all true but successful Clubs don't have assistant coaches airing their dirty laundry.  Let's hope it is the start of getting some discipline in the place.

 

[wendybr]

PS Welcome back PARRAS!

And I hope, with our forums having been sanitised and cleansed of some of its biggest personalities, you're allowed to stick around this time.

Not sure about anyone else, but I enjoy the additional spark that a bit of lively debate, and even civilised friction,  brings to the forums. 

[pudispencer]

11 minutes ago, wendybr said:

No you're not deluded. Years and years.

Seven years to be sure! 

[wendybr]

3 minutes ago, scarcev said:

Foxe gone and rightly so, something had to give and he was telling everyone who would listen the Spaniards were restless and fighting with Gombau and other players and also leaked the last few training blow ups and unhappy players that wanted to leave.  Probably was all true but successful Clubs don't have assistant coaches airing their dirty laundry.  Let's hope it is the start of getting some discipline in the place.

 

It's such a cliche, but we can only hope that we have reached the darkest hour...and that some sort of a dawn is on the horizon.

Hard to imagine things getting much worse ...unless supporters turn against the team and the coach.

We put **** on a certain other team when that happened there.

Now's our chance to prove we can be better than that.

[wendybr]

3 minutes ago, pudispencer said:

Seven years to be sure! 

Yep - and a few of them spent in Seventh Heaven!   

[Unlimited]

Ehhhh it's a process

We have an FFA Cup winning coach who was seen as good enough to oversee part of the national set-up

I don't get this "Why didn't we get someone who can continue the way we used to play" argument. If you wanted that, install Foxe as head coach.

We have Gombau now and he does not want to play the way someone else played, he has his own ideas of what it takes to be successful and he's going to implement them

I'm willing to wait for it to come good

[pudispencer]

22 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

Ehhhh it's a process

We have an FFA Cup winning coach who was seen as good enough to oversee part of the national set-up

I don't get this "Why didn't we get someone who can continue the way we used to play" argument. If you wanted that, install Foxe as head coach.

We have Gombau now and he does not want to play the way someone else played, he has his own ideas of what it takes to be successful and he's going to implement them

I'm willing to wait for it to come good

Changing from Popa was always going to be painful and take time. He ran the place like an army, so the culture is ingrained.

[tardotz]

Gambou's has a system and it's a proven system we all know it worked well for him before. 

My concern is he seems to only have one system. So even wehen we start playing his way, how long will it be that other teams will work out how to 'beat' our system.

I hope I'm wrong and everything turns ok but I think we can forget this season. Let's build up for next season and in the meantime try to get some results along the way.

 

[beatsurrender]

We just look so uncreative going forward.  We put the fear up no-one. We tap it around and our opponents just wait for a turnover and off they go. Massive cleanout (again) coming up. 

[Harv]

10 hours ago, GunnerWanderer said:

There is nothing to say tonight it's was possibly even worse than the derby performance. At the end of the game I said to Gunner Jnr, we are NOT going on New Years Day. I don't think I've ever said it before. What a **** **** start to Xmas. Top summary Mack nailed it. Absolutley **** shambles who can sleep tonight!!!

On New Years Day we find out who are the true (if disheartened) supporters and who are the fair weather friends.

[Zelinsky]

Hey Wendy, are you suggesting that we are going down memory lane to discuss where East is in relation to West, maps and stuff like that? 

Gombau is still a young, inexperienced coach, without a Plan B, and without the capacity to manage a senior group of players at a club like WSW. He is high risk. 

If the club believes in him then the neccessary steps need to be taken to stabilize the starting 11 ASAP. 

If he is seen on probation then Jan 2nd might be the end of him, and a caretaker like Rudan might finish the season professionally and with dignity. 

Whichever way we turn it: Popa's WSW are no more, they were buried last night. We are starting from scratch. It sure is a process. 

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, Unlimited said:

Ehhhh it's a process

We have an FFA Cup winning coach who was seen as good enough to oversee part of the national set-up

I don't get this "Why didn't we get someone who can continue the way we used to play" argument. If you wanted that, install Foxe as head coach.

We have Gombau now and he does not want to play the way someone else played, he has his own ideas of what it takes to be successful and he's going to implement them

I'm willing to wait for it to come good

If it’s one or two players that aren’t buying into it then they need to go, if it’s a whole squad and an assistant manager then that may suggest that the manager isn’t managing.

I seriously don’t understand the “give it time” internet group. If there where positive signs or you could say we have been unlucky sure but he has had 6 games and the whole squad appears to be in open revolvt we have been thumped 5-0 and 4-0 and in both games we were quite frankly lucky it wasn’t more 

how are people ok with that? 

Lloydy nailed it, he’s the wrong appointment. It might have worked start of preseason, being his own players in etc. but it wasn’t start of season we have the players we have (who at one point where 2-0 up in the derby and talking sydney apart)

our crowds are dropping club can’t just wait for gombau to turn Brendon Hammil into a ball playing centre back and the team into Barcelona 2.0 and we move to parra stadium.

Sorry we need a Big Sam style manager who comes in cracks a couple of heads, gets the back 4 working, gets the team to chase every ball, and plays the ball in the opposition half.

this is madness

I’m hoping I missed your sarcasm in the it’s a process line 

as gombau can shove his philosophy and process 

Edited December 22, 2017 by StringerBellend

[sonar]

2 minutes ago, Harv said:

On New Years Day we find out who are the true (if disheartened) supporters and who are the fair weather friends.

In.....You go for the good,the bad or the ugly. ..and it's ugly at the minute and I don't deny it but I'm still IN. COYW. Just be thankful we're not an NRL club like the Sharkies, took 'em 50 years to win a premiership.

 

[Harv]

9 hours ago, lloydy136 said:

Blame for me lies squarely with the board.

They knew gombau's approach and they know their players. They SHOULD have known that this was going to happen.

We now have a totally broken, dispirited squad and a coach who is preaching philosophy and process as he stubbornly drives us all off the edge of the cliff.

So what now? We fork over a stack of cash to make riera, baccus, herd and corny and **** knows who else go away despite the fact that all of them are clearly good enough to be in a successful a-league side.

Gombau is who he is, the players are who they are and if many of us could see it wasn't going to work then how on earth can the people in our club who are well paid to make these decisions not see this coming.

**** me what a shambles.

Postecoglu changed a system mid-stream and, ignoring his critics, managed to take the team with him and, despite some anxious moments ( last minute free kick vs Syria) took the the team to the World Cup.  Perhaps the WSW Board knew exactly what it was doing when Gombau was brought in  knowing he would change from the boring football we were playing.  It's up to the players to buy into the Gombau style or find another club.

[Unlimited]

21 minutes ago, Harv said:

On New Years Day we find out who are the true (if disheartened) supporters and who are the fair weather friends.

Well I'm away on holiday soooooo

20 minutes ago, FCB said:

Hey Wendy, are you suggesting that we are going down memory lane to discuss where East is in relation to West, maps and stuff like that? 

Gombau is still a young, inexperienced coach, without a Plan B, and without the capacity to manage a senior group of players at a club like WSW. He is high risk. 

If the club believes in him then the neccessary steps need to be taken to stabilize the starting 11 ASAP. 

If he is seen on probation then Jan 2nd might be the end of him, and a caretaker like Rudan might finish the season professionally and with dignity. 

Whichever way we turn it: Popa's WSW are no more, they were buried last night. We are starting from scratch. It sure is a process. 

I don't want to be a club that cycles through coaches like that - he's had a month coaching a group of players he hasn't brought into the club himself, who have been playing a different style for the past like three years

11 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

If it’s one or two players that aren’t buying into it then they need to go, if it’s a whole squad and an assistant manager then that may suggest that the manager isn’t managing.

I seriously don’t understand the “give it time” internet group. If there where positive signs or you could say we have been unlucky sure but he has had 6 games and the whole squad appears to be in open revolvt we have been thumped 5-0 and 4-0 and in both games we were quite frankly lucky it wasn’t more 

how are people ok with that? 

Lloydy nailed it, he’s the wrong appointment. It might have worked start of preseason, being his own players in etc. but it wasn’t start of season we have the players we have (who at one point where 2-0 up in the derby and talking sydney apart)

our crowds are dropping club can’t just wait for gombau to turn Brendon Hammil into a ball playing centre back and the team into Barcelona 2.0 and we move to parra stadium.

Sorry we need a Big Sam style manager who comes in cracks a couple of heads, gets the back 4 working, gets the team to chase every ball, and plays the ball in the opposition half.

this is madness

I’m hoping I missed your sarcasm in the it’s a process line 

as gombau can shove his philosophy and process 

The players Popa bought into the club bought into his style of play - of course most people in the club are having serious doubts about the style of play, because they were under the impression they'd be playing a different style. It's bait and switch essentially

I'm ok with it because I am confident it will get better soon, just like Adelaide in their first season

It is a process

[ManfredSchaefer]

Three fooking cheers for following the Western Sydney Process!

[Jukes01]

10 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

His interview probably will earn him time training alone, but it shouldn’t as he was spot on. We are all over the shop it’s a shambles. Gombau is being paid decent coin to manage a team, and he isn’t managing 

It’s not entirely Gombaus fault the club hired the wrong guy for the job. If we want all this Barcelona nonsense we could have brought him in at end of season. For now we needed somebody who could work with squad we had

I hope I’m proven wrong 

In hindsight it would have been more prudent on giving the reigns to Foxy for a year and let him run the team. He would have developed as a senior coach and I would have felt a lot better as a supporter of the club who promotes from within. If it didn't work out we could have always hired another coach.  Just remember like in Adelaide the Gombau process takes an age to implement. I am not sure why..........football is a simple game that is difficult to play simply. 

[lloydy136]

42 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

If it’s one or two players that aren’t buying into it then they need to go, if it’s a whole squad and an assistant manager then that may suggest that the manager isn’t managing.

I seriously don’t understand the “give it time” internet group. If there where positive signs or you could say we have been unlucky sure but he has had 6 games and the whole squad appears to be in open revolvt we have been thumped 5-0 and 4-0 and in both games we were quite frankly lucky it wasn’t more 

how are people ok with that? 

Lloydy nailed it, he’s the wrong appointment. It might have worked start of preseason, being his own players in etc. but it wasn’t start of season we have the players we have (who at one point where 2-0 up in the derby and talking sydney apart)

our crowds are dropping club can’t just wait for gombau to turn Brendon Hammil into a ball playing centre back and the team into Barcelona 2.0 and we move to parra stadium.

Sorry we need a Big Sam style manager who comes in cracks a couple of heads, gets the back 4 working, gets the team to chase every ball, and plays the ball in the opposition half.

this is madness

I’m hoping I missed your sarcasm in the it’s a process line 

as gombau can shove his philosophy and process 

Was going to post a summary of my thoughts atm but no need. Sums up how i feel exactly.

I will add though that this reminds me so much of the vics. Lots of complaining about merrick from fans club tries to appease and change direction, brings in magilton and its an unmitigated disaster as he tries to change too much and upsets players etc. Club then admits mistake brings in someone who gets the culture and style of the club to clean up the mess in muscat.

Edited December 23, 2017 by lloydy136

[That70sDude]

49 minutes ago, FCB said:

Hey Wendy, are you suggesting that we are going down memory lane to discuss where East is in relation to West, maps and stuff like that? 

Gombau is still a young, inexperienced coach, without a Plan B, and without the capacity to manage a senior group of players at a club like WSW. He is high risk. 

If the club believes in him then the neccessary steps need to be taken to stabilize the starting 11 ASAP. 

If he is seen on probation then Jan 2nd might be the end of him, and a caretaker like Rudan might finish the season professionally and with dignity. 

Whichever way we turn it: Popa's WSW are no more, they were buried last night. We are starting from scratch. It sure is a process. 

Young and inexperienced? The guy has been coaching since he was 16 years old. He's been a coach longer than half our team has been alive. Coached in 3 different countries. 

Hayden Foxe is young and inexperienced. Gombau knows exactly what he is doing. Honestly, he's just not good enough. I don't believe in his "process" or his method. He didn't do anything at Adelaide except play nice football that didn't win Premierships. FFA Cup is **** that doesn't count. Both seasons Gombau was coach Adelaide didn't go anywhere near winning. It was only a better coach coming in and changing the way to his own when Adelaide won the Championship.

Gombau is a myth. Gombau is a "process." Gombau is NOT the solution.

GOMBAU OUT.

[hawks2767]

Pudi - in case you missed it, I'll rehash.

Western Sydney is football heartland, we have produced 3 out of 4 of everyone who has worn a Socceroos jersey.

We expect a team better than everyone else to match the area's football history, I don't know the stats on Socceroos coming from Coogee and Maroubra but I bet it isn't as many as Fairfield.

 

[StringerBellend]

44 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

Well I'm away on holiday soooooo

I don't want to be a club that cycles through coaches like that - he's had a month coaching a group of players he hasn't brought into the club himself, who have been playing a different style for the past like three years

The players Popa bought into the club bought into his style of play - of course most people in the club are having serious doubts about the style of play, because they were under the impression they'd be playing a different style. It's bait and switch essentially

I'm ok with it because I am confident it will get better soon, just like Adelaide in their first season

It is a process

You're serious aren't you? Or is this a wind up?

So far we have been bummed (and not in a nice way) by both Newcastle and Sydney. The Derby should have been more than 5, if Newcastle had O'Donovan it would have been far more. This is a Newcastle side which lets face it, player for player is far from anything special. We looked at Omnishambles. 

Sure in a perfect world Gombau would come in bring his own bunch of Barcelona Lite players in and have us playing like something out of a Craig Foster wet dream, we would  beating teams 11teen to 0 in a packed out Spotless, with 80% procession and a goal that actually made Craig Foster cry due to its shear beauty. But this isn't the reality he was given, he was given a decent (if somewhat flawed squad) that is more than capable of competing in this league. He can evolve to his own image later, but this season is this season.

If the club said sure "Josip it's cool maaaann don't worry about results, our fans our patient, the main thing braahhh is that we win the possession  statistic, look big guy its fine that we only got 8000 to a home game and then lose to the worst Brisbane side anyone can remember, actually getting belted by your biggest rival in front of your home fans, and a bunch of baying eastern suburbs types.. yes part of the process" then they should all be sacked too.

The thing is you are right about the "playing a different style for the past like three years" and that it won't change overnight, hence you work with what you have until you can change it, not come in and expect Brandon Hammil to play like some sort of sexual spanish toggerist.. 

Anyone looking forward to the next derby? Going to be great to be part of the process, one to tell the grandkids about, "I was there when we got done 5-0 for the second time in a season" infront of the smallest away crowd we have taken..

As for oh he did it at Adelaide, he made the finals with them, the next guy won it and then it all imploded, and now a german guys is bailing them out (there is European politics joke in there somewhere) he hardly left an ongoing dynasty of Spanish football. 

I can take a few bad results, if there is some sort of light at the end of the tunnel. But each week gets worse and if rumour is to be believed (and given Foxes quitting it probably is to be believed) the majority of the squad in open revolt. 

Unless club has some genius scheme to offload half the squad and bring in a bunch of new guys next week who are bought into the Philosophy and by that I don't mean a past his best (and his best wasn't really that good) Tarek Elrich and Bruce Djitte then yes this season will be a process and no i'm not ok with it. 

Edited December 23, 2017 by StringerBellend

[StringerBellend]

As for the sydney v wsw crowd debate. The thing that most annoys me is if the club got its **** in a pile in the two season we have been at SOP then this wouldn't be a debate. 

[ManfredSchaefer]

I like Gombau as a football personality

But FFS all this talk about his process and how great he is.

His best achievement whilst coaching the Pissants was winning a rigged domestic cup tourney that doesn't get really serious until the round of 8.

Jukes was right. Hayden should've been given the reins for the rest of the season as he was part of the original structure that brought in the squad we now have, and whilst the players were frustrating under his regime (such as the draw against Victory) at least they weren't self-destructing like we've seen in 3 of the last four matches.

I'm happy to point the finger at a few of our cattle who are turning in crap performances, but how many of these same guys looked like they were ready to knock off the smurfs only a few weeks back and almost did the job? 

Oh, and can we please forego any fan led screaming for a forum to debate with the club suits over how the team should be coached. Let's not forget how farcical it looked when the smurfs got their knickers in a knot over Farina. Let's not descend to their level FFS

[Zelinsky]

41 minutes ago, That70sDude said:

Young and inexperienced? The guy has been coaching since he was 16 years old. He's been a coach longer than half our team has been alive. Coached in 3 different countries. 

Hayden Foxe is young and inexperienced. Gombau knows exactly what he is doing. Honestly, he's just not good enough. I don't believe in his "process" or his method. He didn't do anything at Adelaide except play nice football that didn't win Premierships. FFA Cup is **** that doesn't count. Both seasons Gombau was coach Adelaide didn't go anywhere near winning. It was only a better coach coming in and changing the way to his own when Adelaide won the Championship.

Gombau is a myth. Gombau is a "process." Gombau is NOT the solution.

GOMBAU OUT.

Make that inexperienced at senior level. Merrick in Newcastle is currently  giving a demo how it's done. Gombau sure knows what he wants to do, but what was required when he took over was a pragmatic Plan B. He doesn't have one.

Going by his press conference he doesn't want a Plan B. Instead, he chooses to go into pre season mode half way through the season. He thinks he is doing his job. His job is to win games. He is not winning. He is losing. Big time. Worse: if the club is facing a revolt of the squad on this manager's watch then Gombau is part of the problem. He has the potential to do major damage to the club.

He is a "top six is good enough" manager. A nice guy, but not a winner. There is no promised land. He is a dud.

GOMBAU OUT.

 

Edited December 23, 2017 by FCB