Wanderers Season Ends Against Adelaide

[Neverbloom]

who was the spanish coach we were apparently going to sign? is he still a chance? i still think we should keep gombau for one more season but if we cant is that a viable or good option? i sometimes wonder how we would have done if gombau wasnt undermined by virtually everyone in the club

also just because santa is a club legend it doesnt make him right about everything

[matty]

35 minutes ago, mack said:

Yup, that's clearly what I was doing by asking why if this squad was full of such amazing talent, that none of them but Riera could manage 5 goals and wondering if our supposedly "top 4 squad" was actually a top 4 squad when our foreign attacking trio Jumpei, Roly & Cejudo combined scored as many goals as Jason Hoffman did.

I must be blind to not see how good and how easily this side should have made the top 4, quite clearly I was blinded by this apparent superiority on display in such brilliant performances as losing 2-1 to Adelaide at home in the FFA Cup Semi Final and needing penalties against Blacktown City in the FFA Cup Quarter final and the 2-2 draw against the Mariners in Round 2.

Where were the #GombauOut hashtags after those matches?

It's all Gombau's fault, it's his fault Brendan Hamill scored as many goals as Santalab did this year. That Cejudo, Roly, Jumpei all scored less than Sotirio. When our team were 1-1 against Perth Glory, we went a man up, had the opposition goalkeeper sent off, putting an outfielder in goals, Gombau ordered his players not to shoot at goal for the 8 minutes of stoppage time.

It's all Gombau's fault. Re-sign everyone and give the side to Popa or Kenny Lowe or Paul Okon and we're gonna win the title next season.

Actually the fact that Hoffman has had a good season shows you what a good coach can do with average players. 

A coach that struggles to put talented players to good use should have questions asked about them, that's not unreasonable. 

[Paul01]

3 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

who was the spanish coach we were apparently going to sign? is he still a chance? i still think we should keep gombau for one more season but if we cant is that a viable or good option? i sometimes wonder how we would have done if gombau wasnt undermined by virtually everyone in the club

also just because santa is a club legend it doesnt make him right about everything

Was German Dick Schuster i think. 

Gombau has been called a fraud of a coach by a number of people and I'm with them. 

[Zelinsky]

39 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

oh yea some of us think he deserves a chance with his own squad, honestly i am not pretending he is perfect, but honestly so far his signings has been much better than tony's so if we could have tony in charge of tactics and gombau in charge of signings then i would be pretty happy with that, if we fire him and then hire frank farina its time to jump in front of a bus

And I think he deserves to be booted out before he causes any more damage to the club.

The whole "not his squad" is total rubbish. Had Ernie Merrick (who I consider the best manager in the comp) taken over in November we would have been firing.

I agree, his signings looked good. Unfortunately, in his managerial wisdom, he somehow forgot to sign a capable CB. We've been treading water all season. 7 points after Rd 5, 18 points after Cornflakes' and Jumpei's last games Rd 14, and now 33 points after 27 rounds. No improvement at the end of the season when it mattered most.

Talks with his successor will have been had already if the club wants him gone. The club considers the last two seasons sub standard and a failure. They are not going to preside over another one, and will not hand over the team to a low cost/high risk manager.

 

21 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

who was the spanish coach we were apparently going to sign? is he still a chance? i still think we should keep gombau for one more season but if we cant is that a viable or good option? i sometimes wonder how we would have done if gombau wasnt undermined by virtually everyone in the club

also just because santa is a club legend it doesnt make him right about everything

Dirk Schuster. No chance now. His agent tried to do a shifty deal, and the club turned away. But that's the kind of quality we were and should again be aiming for.

Gombau did all the undermining himself. The club told him "do this" and he did the opposite.

 

 

 

 

[Neverbloom]

19 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

Was German Dick Schuster i think. 

Gombau has been called a fraud of a coach by a number of people and I'm with them. 

then is he a possibility? i doubt we can get anyone better than gombau with the money the club is willing to spend

[Wanderboy]

18 minutes ago, matty said:

Actually the fact that Hoffman has had a good season shows you what a good coach can do with average players. 

 

And that's something Popa was good at. IMO, we had a better squad this season than the one that won the ACL ffs!

It's such a shame that Popa never got to work with this squad. His squad.

I'm not sure we'd all be having these discussions if he had stayed. That though, we will never know, unfortunately.

[StringerBellend]

26 minutes ago, matty said:

Actually the fact that Hoffman has had a good season shows you what a good coach can do with average players. 

A coach that struggles to put talented players to good use should have questions asked about them, that's not unreasonable. 

This

Im not saying squad was perfect or that they aren’t to blame. But do we honestly think Gombau got the best out of the squad he was given

blame aside I just can’t see what he has done to show he’s the best dude for the gig

 

Edited April 17, 2018 by StringerBellend

[StringerBellend]

6 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

then is he a possibility? i doubt we can get anyone better than gombau with the money the club is willing to spend

It’s a salary capped league one area where you can spend to gain an advantage is manager and a good manager makes a huge difference, especially over time. I’d hope that the club know that and are willing to spend big on this, it will cost em more if they don’t as another **** season and the season ticket money, crowds, match and sponsorship money will dry up 

[Neverbloom]

2 minutes ago, FCB said:

And I think he deserves to be booted out before he causes any more damage to the club.

The whole "not his squad" is total rubbish. Had Ernie Merrick (who I consider the best manager in the comp) taken over in November we would have been firing.

I agree, his signings looked good. Unfortunately, in his managerial wisdom, he somehow forgot to sign a capable CB. We've been treading water all season. 7 points after Rd 5, 18 points after Cornflakes' and Jumpei's last games Rd 14, and now 33 points after 27 rounds. No improvement at the end of the season when it mattered most.

Talks with his successor will have been had already if the club wants him gone. The club considers the last two seasons sub standard and a failure. They are not going to preside over another one, and will not hand over the team to a low cost/high risk manager.

 

Dirk Schuster. No chance now. His agent tried to do a shifty deal, and the club turned away. But that's the kind of quality we were and should again be aiming for.

Gombau did all the undermining himself. The club told him "do this" and he did the opposite.

 

 

 

 

can you imagine the club actually spending money on a good coach? i think you are being a bit melodramatic when it comes to talking about how much damage to the club its not like he is going to walk up to parramatta stadium and explode it so we cant use it for a couple more seasons, i do agree that he should have signed a good or great CB instead of removing one(sounds like he wanted out though) and replacing him with no one.

 

i dont know what the club told him to do apart from make the finals which obviously we didnt do, honestly his signings excite me him as a coach i am not at all sold on but i dont think he is nearly as bad as others say

[ZachMercer]

Can't help thinking about the Brian Clough quote "We had a good team on paper. Unfortunately, the game was played on grass" at times like this.

[Wanderboy]

2 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

It’s a salary capped league one area where you can spend to gain an advantage is manager and a good manager makes a huge difference, especially over time. I’d hope that the club know that and are willing to spend big on this, it will cost em more if they don’t as another **** season and the season ticket money, crowds, match and sponsorship money will dry up 

We need to be going back to the new Parramatta Stadium in a strong position. 

Minimum top 4 next season (preferably top 2), and a strong RBB.

If the club can't sort this out next season, they are going to cost themselves millions. Simples.

[Zelinsky]

27 minutes ago, matty said:

Actually the fact that Hoffman has had a good season shows you what a good coach can do with average players. 

A coach that struggles to put talented players to good use should have questions asked about them, that's not unreasonable. 

Bayern got a good demo at the beginning of the season how even a world class coach like Ancelotti can run down a world class side. Tactics, man management, fitness - all down the toilet. His successor cranked up the training intensity, tweaked formation and starting xi, connected with the players, and success returned almost immediately. That's what I expected from Gombau, and that's why I was all for him. He did the opposite.

[Neverbloom]

6 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

It’s a salary capped league one area where you can spend to gain an advantage is manager and a good manager makes a huge difference, especially over time. I’d hope that the club know that and are willing to spend big on this, it will cost em more if they don’t as another **** season and the season ticket money, crowds, match and sponsorship money will dry up 

i dont have that much faith people who run the club even know what football is or have more than 2 brain cells to rub together do you really think they would understand your post?

[Zelinsky]

3 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

can you imagine the club actually spending money on a good coach? i think you are being a bit melodramatic when it comes to talking about how much damage to the club its not like he is going to walk up to parramatta stadium and explode it so we cant use it for a couple more seasons, i do agree that he should have signed a good or great CB instead of removing one(sounds like he wanted out though) and replacing him with no one.

i dont know what the club told him to do apart from make the finals which obviously we didnt do, honestly his signings excite me him as a coach i am not at all sold on but i dont think he is nearly as bad as others say

The club was willing to spend big on Eduardo last season. The club was willing to spend big on both Milicic and Schuster. It was not their fault that it didn't happen.

You don't think that damage has been done to the club by coming 7th? We are the laughing stock of the league. Gombau has been a disaster, he offered nothing over the last 5 months. Why anyone would want to reward non performance of a manager is beyond me. Him getting sacked after 10 rounds next season as Bozza suggests would be the worst case scenario. It needs to be avoided.

 

 

[Davo]

On the CB issue, who would we have signed? I don't remember there being any good CB's available and affordable in the January window, particularly the ball playing CB that would work in our system.

It's not unreasonable that the club decided to bank the leftover cap space for next season when we have time to scout a proper fit, and use Thwaite and Hamill as starting CB's with Aspro as backup and Clisby as emergency backup. Aspro got injured after the January window closed and Thwaite got sent off. There aren't many clubs in the league set up with the depth to handle that scenario.

[WHACKO]

3 minutes ago, Davo said:

On the CB issue, who would we have signed? I don't remember there being any good CB's available and affordable in the January window, particularly the ball playing CB that would work in our system.

It's not unreasonable that the club decided to bank the leftover cap space for next season when we have time to scout a proper fit, and use Thwaite and Hamill as starting CB's with Aspro as backup and Clisby as emergency backup. Aspro got injured after the January window closed and Thwaite got sent off. There aren't many clubs in the league set up with the depth to handle that scenario.

Spiranovic

[Neverbloom]

2 minutes ago, FCB said:

The club was willing to spend big on Eduardo last season. The club was willing to spend big on both Milicic and Schuster. It was not their fault that it didn't happen.

You don't think that damage has been done to the club by coming 7th? We are the laughing stock of the league. Gombau has been a disaster, he offered nothing over the last 5 months. Why anyone would want to reward non performance of a manager is beyond me. Him getting sacked after 10 rounds next season as Bozza suggests would be the worst case scenario. It needs to be avoided.

 

 

people are laughing at us? OH NO THE TRAVESTY, there are 3 clubs worse off than us tbh, not that it improves things for us much but it does a tiny bit i mean imagine being central coast or wellington, the club has a history of promising big and coming up with **** all(does everyone remember when we signed klose? or all those deals with amazing players which fell through at the last second? i dont trust the club to sign anyone better than gombau, 

[Zelinsky]

1 minute ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

people are laughing at us? OH NO THE TRAVESTY, there are 3 clubs worse off than us tbh, not that it improves things for us much but it does a tiny bit i mean imagine being central coast or wellington, the club has a history of promising big and coming up with **** all(does everyone remember when we signed klose? or all those deals with amazing players which fell through at the last second? i dont trust the club to sign anyone better than gombau, 

A man has got to believe what a man has got to believe.

[StringerBellend]

35 minutes ago, Davo said:

On the CB issue, who would we have signed? I don't remember there being any good CB's available and affordable in the January window, particularly the ball playing CB that would work in our system.

It's not unreasonable that the club decided to bank the leftover cap space for next season when we have time to scout a proper fit, and use Thwaite and Hamill as starting CB's with Aspro as backup and Clisby as emergency backup. Aspro got injured after the January window closed and Thwaite got sent off. There aren't many clubs in the league set up with the depth to handle that scenario.

I may be wrong but carrusca counts as an Australian now so we had a spare marquee spot, so we could have got an overseas player, which of the case I refuse to believe that there wasn’t a better centre back available than Hammil 

[Neverbloom]

on hammil i think he has actually been at his best under gombau

[StringerBellend]

29 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

people are laughing at us? OH NO THE TRAVESTY, there are 3 clubs worse off than us tbh, not that it improves things for us much but it does a tiny bit i mean imagine being central coast or wellington, the club has a history of promising big and coming up with **** all(does everyone remember when we signed klose? or all those deals with amazing players which fell through at the last second? i dont trust the club to sign anyone better than gombau, 

They brought two current La Liga players to the club this year, they weren’t getting paid peanuts the club spent money this year,

Last year they skimped and it showed 

 

[StringerBellend]

3 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

on hammil i think he has actually been at his best under gombau

Yes he has but he is Still not good enough his positional play is dreadful observe first goal from weekend 

But I still like the idea of a Hammil time chant 

Edited April 17, 2018 by StringerBellend

[Neverbloom]

1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

They brought two current La Liga players to the club this year, they weren’t getting paid peanuts the club spent money this year,

Last year they skimped and it showed 

 

well at least one of those players was good

[Edinburgh]

41 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

people are laughing at us? OH NO THE TRAVESTY, there are 3 clubs worse off than us tbh, not that it improves things for us much but it does a tiny bit i mean imagine being central coast or wellington, the club has a history of promising big and coming up with **** all(does everyone remember when we signed klose? or all those deals with amazing players which fell through at the last second? i dont trust the club to sign anyone better than gombau, 

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Gombau - your last sentence is a genuine concern.

[Davo]

19 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

I may be wrong but carrusca counts as an Australian now so we had a spare marquee spot, so we could have got an overseas player, which of the case I refuse to believe that there wasn’t a better centre back available than Hammil 

Our marquees are Riera and Cejudo I believe, so we'd have to sign someone under the cap. Carrusca is considered Australian so we have a visa spot free, however the options are much more limited in the January window and I suspect it takes a bit more work to convince to foreigner to come to the A-League. It'd take time to scout someone, especially as it would be difficult to find someone willing to move for a 6 month deal so we'd be taking a risk on a longer term deal.

With the hindsight of knowing Aspro got a season ending injury it's easy to say it was a mistake, but at the time (considering how unlikely we looked to win trophies in January) it made sense to bank the cap space for next season.

[Paul01]

5 minutes ago, Davo said:

Our marquees are Riera and Cejudo I believe, so we'd have to sign someone under the cap. Carrusca is considered Australian so we have a visa spot free, however the options are much more limited in the January window and I suspect it takes a bit more work to convince to foreigner to come to the A-League. It'd take time to scout someone, especially as it would be difficult to find someone willing to move for a 6 month deal so we'd be taking a risk on a longer term deal.

With the hindsight of knowing Aspro got a season ending injury it's easy to say it was a mistake, but at the time (considering how unlikely we looked to win trophies in January) it made sense to bank the cap space for next season.

I think the free visa spot is now for an Asian player (4 plus 1)

[Valter43]

4 hours ago, tranquilo said:

 

 

[EmMac]

22 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Who cares he misses a couple of FFA cup games 

*shrug* I care.

[Burgerman]

43 minutes ago, Valter43 said:

 

Thanks that just made my day 

[StringerBellend]

24 minutes ago, EmMac said:

*shrug* I care.

You are a very caring individual