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Team Biden won't do anything to win?

C'mon that's where you lost me.

This has been a horrible 6 months for Donald Trump. He has been dealt a horrible hand and his handling of these tough moments has been comical.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Team Biden won't do anything to win?

C'mon that's where you lost me.

This has been a horrible 6 months for Donald Trump. He has been dealt a horrible hand and his handling of these tough moments has been comical.

 

 

No not anything. That’s Trumps game. 
 

Trump dealt a horrible hand? Hmmm let’s see. Impeachment? Completely his fault. Virus? Well so has every leader on the planet....could have been an opportunity to show leadership rather than a “poor me” horrible hand moment. Don’t make him a victim. 

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I can’t see how I have.

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He has been dealt a horrible hand and he botched it. 

These two things can be true at the same time.

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1 minute ago, Legionista said:

He has been dealt a horrible hand and he botched it. 

These two things can be true at the same time.

He’s the dealer. 

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He’s not dealin’ anything. 
 

He can’t string a sentence together. 

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Neither can Biden but there will be plenty of time for that. 

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1 minute ago, Legionista said:

He’s not dealin’ anything. 
 

He can’t string a sentence together. 

Lol. But I think his own ignorance, his own complete and utter self serving arrogance is what makes him deal himself these disasters. And yes, he can’t string a sentence together...but thats irrelevant, it just makes him **** up the hand he dealt himself even more. 

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2 hours ago, Legionista said:

Neither can Biden but there will be plenty of time for that. 

It's tragic. They are both unfit for the world's most powerful job.

 

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8 hours ago, Legionista said:

Neither can Biden but there will be plenty of time for that. 

Won’t it be fun when Biden puts Hunter in the White House as an advisor?! :rofl:

Trump set the tone....go America! 

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very long and seems to be a bit of a US history lesson... but by heavens about 75% in and to appreciate it you need to watch... but well worth the time if you have it.

 

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Important though the US is, it's crushingly depressing to listen to/watch most of what is going on there.

But I can listen to these 2 very happily as they sum up the week in US politics on a Weds and Friday night - with lots of data/stats, clips, interviews etc.

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/planet-america/series/0/video/NC2014H023S00

https://iview.abc.net.au/show/planet-america-s-fireside-chat/series/0/video/NC2022H021S00

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curious what people think and it kinda fits here, there is a white voice actor who has played a black character since 1999 is stepping down and being replaced by a black actor because of recent events, for me its pretty ridiculous if you only want to hire black actors for future black characters then nothing wrong with that just feels weird to have a voice actor who has played a character for that long suddenly replaced because he is not the ethnicity of the character

not really important :P but its still weird

 

there are so many voice actors who i dont have a clue what their race is because its unimportant

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The Simpsons recently announced the same. So you've got voice actors who've played that part for 30+ years, now saying they won't play that part any longer. Personally, I feel, if they don't want to do that anymore, that is their choice. And it is up to the viewing public whether they agree with it or not.

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3 hours ago, Carns said:

The Simpsons recently announced the same. So you've got voice actors who've played that part for 30+ years, now saying they won't play that part any longer. Personally, I feel, if they don't want to do that anymore, that is their choice. And it is up to the viewing public whether they agree with it or not.

i thought the simpsons said any new characters of colour wouldnt be voiced by white people, either way that is true, we dont actually know how much of the current climate had to do with their decisions to step down from voicing their characters, there is a chance it had no impact on that

honestly i dont mind who voices who, i mean a female voices bart and she does an amazing job, chris judge is one of my favourite voice actors and he voices Kratos who is extremely white, to me that is the greatest thing about voice acting, they dont need to look anything like their character but at the end of the day its really trivial and i agree with you

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For all their increasing wealth, life is an utter pressure cooker over there, from I see.

Just one issue... "left over women" and the pressures on women in general.

 

One woman's fight could transform the lives of single people all over China
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-28/chinese-women-freeze-eggs-gender-equality-reproductive-rights/12332862

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And a different type of pressure, and its questionable solution...disturbing and sad.

https://www.abc.net.au/foreign/

 

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On 26/06/2020 at 11:24 PM, Midfielder said:

very long and seems to be a bit of a US history lesson... but by heavens about 75% in and to appreciate it you need to watch... but well worth the time if you have it.

 

Wow. 

🤣

Maddow never disappoints. 🤗

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5 hours ago, Cynth said:

Excellent long read, Cynth. Obviously the piece is discussing the number of people simply turning a blind eye or not speaking up for their own benefit. However, I particularly enjoyed the following description.

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His foreign policy has never served any U.S. interests of any kind. Although some of Trump’s Cabinet ministers and media followers have tried to portray him as an anti-Chinese nationalist—and although foreign-policy commentators from all points on the political spectrum have, amazingly, accepted this fiction without questioning it—Trump’s true instinct, always, has been to side with foreign dictators, including Chinese President Xi Jinping. One former administration official who has seen Trump interact with Xi as well as with Russian President Vladimir Putin told me that it was like watching a lesser celebrity encounter a more famous one. Trump did not speak to them as the representative of the American people; he simply wanted their aura—of absolute power, of cruelty, of fame—to rub off on him and enhance his own image. This, too, has had fatal consequences. In January, Trump took Xi’s word when he said that COVID‑19 was “under control,” just as he had believed North Korea’s Kim Jong Un when he signed a deal on nuclear weapons. Trump’s fawning attitude toward dictators is his ideology at its purest: He meets his own psychological needs first; he thinks about the country last. The true nature of the ideology that Trump brought to Washington was not “America First,” but rather “Trump First.”

And the following two excerpts really struck a tone.

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To Americans, this kind of justification should sound very familiar; we have been hearing versions of it since 2016. The existential nature of the threat from “the left” has been spelled out many times. “Our liberal-left present reality and future direction is incompatible with human nature,” wrote Michael Anton, in “The Flight 93 Election.” The Fox News anchor Laura Ingraham has warned that “massive demographic changes” threaten us too: “In some parts of the country it does seem like the America that we know and love doesn’t exist anymore.” This is the Vichy logic: The nation is dead or dying—so anything you can do to restore it is justified. Whatever criticisms might be made of Trump, whatever harm he has done to democracy and the rule of law, whatever corrupt deals he might make while in the White House—all of these shrink in comparison to the horrific alternative: the liberalism, socialism, moral decadence, demographic change, and cultural degradation that would have been the inevitable result of Hillary Clinton’s presidency.

The Republican senators who are willing to express their disgust with Trump off the record but voted in February for him to remain in office all indulge a variation of this sentiment. (Trump enables them to get the judges they want, and those judges will help create the America they want.) So do the evangelical pastors who ought to be disgusted by Trump’s personal behavior but argue, instead, that the current situation has scriptural precedents. Like King David in the Bible, the president is a sinner, a flawed vessel, but he nevertheless offers a path to salvation for a fallen nation.

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The price of collaboration in America has already turned out to be extraordinarily high. And yet, the movement down the slippery slope continues, just as it did in so many occupied countries in the past. First Trump’s enablers accepted lies about the inauguration; now they accept terrible tragedy and the loss of American leadership in the world. Worse could follow. Come November, will they tolerate—even abet—an assault on the electoral system: open efforts to prevent postal voting, to shut polling stations, to scare people away from voting? Will they countenance violence, as the president’s social-media fans incite demonstrators to launch physical attacks on state and city officials?

Each violation of our Constitution and our civic peace gets absorbed, rationalized, and accepted by people who once upon a time knew better. If, following what is almost certain to be one of the ugliest elections in American history, Trump wins a second term, these people may well accept even worse. Unless, of course, they decide not to.

I have said from the outset of Trump being in power that the Republicans will continue to side with him as long as they believe it is worth it to them politically. If they believe they are at risk of losing their jobs, their defence of him may change. The next 5 months leading to the election are going to be incredibly interesting to watch. I do not believe that they will all turn against him, as they are too deep in it now. But will they back peddle?

Trump backed candidates have been getting trounced in local elections lately, his disapproval rating is at a record high. They will do everything within their power to enhance voter suppression. Will it be enough to keep him (and by extension them) in power? It's very interesting to realise that we are experiencing a defining period in history at the moment (both within the USA and the world). Is this the collapse of the empire that has been "world leader" for 70-80 years? That might be an extreme take, but I'm not sure if anyone could've really predicted what the US (both internally and on a global stage) would look like in 2020 looking from 2016. Who knows what it could look like in 2024 if he stays in power. Not having to worry about an re-election, just imagine what he'll try and do.

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Speaking of world leaders , what's happening with the " world's best leader" of our near neighbor NZ.

Jacinda Ardern is being branded a failure , incompetent and a liar. Her fame was just a mirage it seems.

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1 hour ago, Carns said:

I have said from the outset of Trump being in power that the Republicans will continue to side with him as long as they believe it is worth it to them politically. If they believe they are at risk of losing their jobs, their defence of him may change. The next 5 months leading to the election are going to be incredibly interesting to watch. I do not believe that they will all turn against him, as they are too deep in it now. But will they back peddle?

Trump backed candidates have been getting trounced in local elections lately, his disapproval rating is at a record high. They will do everything within their power to enhance voter suppression. Will it be enough to keep him (and by extension them) in power? It's very interesting to realise that we are experiencing a defining period in history at the moment (both within the USA and the world). Is this the collapse of the empire that has been "world leader" for 70-80 years? That might be an extreme take, but I'm not sure if anyone could've really predicted what the US (both internally and on a global stage) would look like in 2020 looking from 2016. Who knows what it could look like in 2024 if he stays in power. Not having to worry about an re-election, just imagine what he'll try and do.

Looks like Mitt Romney is banking on Trump losing and the Republicans suddenly claiming they were against him all along. If they get wiped out in November they're going to have to make changes in the party and I wouldn't be surprised if Romney positions himself as the traditional Republican leader from a pre-Trump era.

As for your last point, it's not just the danger of a second term of Trump (although a lame duck Trump could do some serious damage in the two months after he loses). It's also a census year, so they'll be redrawing all of the congressional district boundaries with data that will last for the next 10 years. If it swings away from the Republicans massively then some of the crazy gerrymandering can be undone.

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Trump however bad he is ... in many ways is a result of how the USA is run today...

The top 10% of the top 1% ... have more wealth than over 50% of the bottom ... the top 1% own more than over 90% of all wealth in the US...

The differences in opportunity between where you are born and the colour of your skin is huge..

Also over the years changes in policing and politicians pushing further and further to the right  has lead to where police actions have dramatically changed over the past 40 years.

I read a report about two years ago that said the movement between the classes i.e poor to rich in the US is at an all time low in fact less than India.

Changes in election laws have resulted in anyone or any corporation can donate any amount of money they like to any election, which has resulted at all levels of government massive amounts of spending, and all sorts of things have become the norm i.e. privately run jails bank rolling people wanting to be a judge at the local court and so on up the line.... add to this the control of how many booths go to what areas and how many hours they are open and drawing maps in the most gerrymandered way possible is the norm... now add all sorts of proof of identify tricks ....  

There media once an example to the world is now almost what side they back... Fox & MSNBC are the worst but others equally.

The lack of coverage in their media of topics like Climate Change, Election funding, and over corporate power is non existent ... Even their so called left media outlets by say European & Australian standards would be hard right..

Berine Sanders once said of the US media its the millionaires paid by the billionaires to talk up the system because by them life has been good.

Trump needs to go of this I think the world agrees... 

But America is in a mess, and is a shadow of what it was to say the mid 80's... 

I can't see it changing without a civil war... and while the US is weak and China grows in power it appears life in 30 years will be very different to today..

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59 minutes ago, Midfielder said:

 

But America is in a mess, and is a shadow of what it was to say the mid 80's... 

 

Arguable that everything that you are criticising has its roots in the Reagan era.

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My concern with the election in November is that a tightly contested election will trigger unrest. I am interested in the extreme polarity of the electorate and the access to false information that can cater to anyone’s political bias. I am not concerned by MSM because there are some regulations of traditional journalists even if they are politically biased. It’s the lies and the amateurs that can spread conspiracy’s with pseudo data and look like a pretty professional outfit and fool people. Trump is taking a ride on any conspiracy theory he can find and these are dangerous when they have come as far into the mainstream community as they have. 
Put simply, I’m worried about civil unrest or even war breaking out. (Especially since guns are so prevalent there). 

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5 hours ago, theseeker said:

Speaking of world leaders , what's happening with the " world's best leader" of our near neighbor NZ.

Jacinda Ardern is being branded a failure , incompetent and a liar. Her fame was just a mirage it seems.

Hmmmm.....you sound like you are gloating. Do you like to see our friendly neighbours failing or is it just their female prime minster?
 

Looks to me that NZ remain in a far better position than we or most of the rest of the world. 

 

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Branded by who? The conservative papers who support the opposition? Lol.

Yeah, that's what New Zealand needs. Maybe they can find someone who takes holidays during emergencies like Morrison does, and someone like Trump who is too stupid & disinterested to give a **** about running a country properly.

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1 hour ago, mack said:

Branded by who? The conservative papers who support the opposition? Lol.

Yeah, that's what New Zealand needs. Maybe they can find someone who takes holidays during emergencies like Morrison does, and someone like Trump who is too stupid & disinterested to give a **** about running a country properly.

 

1 hour ago, mack said:

Branded by who? The conservative papers who support the opposition? Lol.

Yeah, that's what New Zealand needs. Maybe they can find someone who takes holidays during emergencies like Morrison does, and someone like Trump who is too stupid & disinterested to give a **** about running a country properly.

She has been a disappointing failure after all the hype Read the news you need to get better informed.

No gloating I don't particularity care about NZ politics  , just putting things in perspective in regard to  other leaders that get a regular roast on here. She ain't Saint Jacinda any more.

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7 hours ago, Carns said:

Who knows what it could look like in 2024 if he stays in power. Not having to worry about an re-election, just imagine what he'll try and do.

We don't have to imagine, we've seen how a Trump administration has looked now for 3.5 years. What has happened?

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