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2 hours ago, Legionista said:

The list hardly scatches the surface?

No doubt. Everyone’s a victim. 

Too many victims. 

Too quick to want to become a victim.

Just when I start to think that it’s just a difference of political ideals, this 

That really is some nasty stuff right there 

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25 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Nice try , just 28 billion short of the verified figure.

Either way a lot to spend on a problem that apparently doesn’t exist 

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3 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Either way a lot to spend on a problem that apparently doesn’t exist 

Isn't that what Seeker said to start with?

 

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19 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

Isn't that what Seeker said to start with?

 

No it isn’t, he clearly said that inequality didn’t exist in Australia.
 

Which makes as much sense as saying rice doesn’t exist in Australia or happiness...  

When pointed out to him it clearly did exist by pointing it him at various articles he said
-  that ACOSS is biased activist group

- dismissed a senate enquiry (as the chair was a green)

- completely ignored the Reserve Bank of Australia article 

You can have a reasonable arguement about what is the right level of spend to address inequality or how you address it or even if you should, or the extent of it. 

But Judiths post was to deny that it exists. 

hence my post if it doesn’t exist why would successive governments of both persuasions spend so much money on it? 
 

Unless his point is that this money has magically corrected all inequality (noting that aboriginal inequality is only one form that he has denied)

you’re giving him to much credit 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Legionista said:

The list hardly scatches the surface?

No doubt. Everyone’s a victim. 

Too many victims. 

Too quick to want to become a victim.

This from the guy who posted a lengthy article about those with problematic views being closed down by the left (in a religious like fervour) 

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6 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

No it isn’t, he clearly said that inequality didn’t exist in Australia.
 

Which makes as much sense as saying rice doesn’t exist in Australia or happiness...  

When pointed out to him it clearly did exist by pointing it him at various articles he said
-  that ACOSS is biased activist group

- dismissed a senate enquiry (as the chair was a green)

- completely ignored the Reserve Bank of Australia article 

You can have a reasonable arguement about what is the right level of spend to address inequality or how you address it or even if you should, or the extent of it. 

But Judiths post was to deny that it exists. 

hence my post if it doesn’t exist why would successive governments of both persuasions spend so much money on it? 
 

Unless his point is that this money has magically corrected all inequality (noting that aboriginal inequality is only one form that he has denied)

you’re giving him to much credit 

 

 

I'm not giving credit to anyone.

From what I've read from both of you, you've each said virtually the same thing (albeit seemingly with entirely different intent).

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14 hours ago, Legionista said:

Small government doesn’t mean no government. 

Small compact government strengthens the safety net.

What if you’re in your 20-30’s and healthy? Should you be working?

Yes if you can find a job. And by health you include mental health, intellectual capacity. Then of course you should. Youth unemployment however is high and not for reasons of not wanting to work in most cases. 
 

Does you small compact government take this into account? 
 

Im always very curious about “small government”. Theoretically it sounds wonderful but I wonder where the cuts are in this model. What gets the chop? Can you answer me that? 

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14 hours ago, Legionista said:

The list hardly scatches the surface?

No doubt. Everyone’s a victim. 

Too many victims. 

Too quick to want to become a victim.

Who, to you, would you say has a needless victim mentality? 

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Shane Paxton. 

And the other millions like him on welfare.

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30 minutes ago, marron said:

Shane Paxton. 

And the other millions like him on welfare.

Millions?? :blink:

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15 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Yea who'd be a cop in America.

An average of about over 100 cops die on the job each year. In one incident four cops were ambushed and slaughtered in Tacoma.

What happened to Floyd was inexcusable but he was a a person with a violent criminal history who is now being elevated to sainthood.

If I was a cop in America my number one aim would be to make it home alive each day.

And remember a black cop killed that Aussie woman in the USA. No demos ?

Defund the the cops ? I'm reminded of the Rolling Stones song " Gimme Shelter " lyrics  - " **** , murder it's just a shot away" 

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So given more people die at the hands of police each year what you are saying is

- police lives are worth more than anyone elses 

- people who have committed crimes in the past deserve to die without "due process" 

Anyone saying "all lives matter" is either trolling or indicating their inability to understand any sort of nuance. 

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12 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

I'm not giving credit to anyone.

From what I've read from both of you, you've each said virtually the same thing (albeit seemingly with entirely different intent).

Summary 


Me: equality exists and government has a role in addressing this, for the betterment of society as a whole 

Judith: equality does not exist 

 

Implied they are wasting 33bn on aboriginal issues (or the 33bn has magically fixed it along with all ineqaulity) 

 

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1 hour ago, theseeker said:

Yea who'd be a cop in America.

An average of about over 100 cops die on the job each year. In one incident four cops were ambushed and slaughtered in Tacoma.

What happened to Floyd was inexcusable but he was a a person with a violent criminal history who is now being elevated to sainthood.

If I was a cop in America my number one aim would be to make it home alive each day.

And remember a black cop killed that Aussie woman in the USA. No demos ?

Defund the the cops ? I'm reminded of the Rolling Stones song " Gimme Shelter " lyrics  - " **** , murder it's just a shot away" 

Tit 

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11 hours ago, marron said:

Shane Paxton. 

And the other millions like him on welfare.

There’s a question for a pub trivia night.

Paxtons was a total media beat up, find a family with not very bright teenagers, offer them a “dream” but make sure it’s at at least a 1000km away from family friendsand any sort of support network (not to mention), keep a camera running and wait until they quit

Use it to then paint all youth unemployment as lazy. 

Good to see we have moved on from this, apart from our current prime minister saying there is anecdotal evidence that jobseeker means kids aren’t applying for work

there will always be some who abuse any system, I have plenty of scomo style anecdotal evident too. “Filling in forms for Centrelink” was a career choice for some of my fellow Richmond High Alumni.

besides Binidi got a job out of the whole thing, ok it was posing for Ralph magazine but a job is a job 

 

I did get the right Paxton didn’t I? 

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18 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Lucky you didn't become a cop , you'd probably be dead by now.

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42 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Lucky you didn't become a cop , you'd probably be dead by now.

Tit

you must really find the world a scary place 

Edited by StringerBellend

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2 hours ago, marron said:

So given more people die at the hands of police each year what you are saying is

- police lives are worth more than anyone elses 

- people who have committed crimes in the past deserve to die without "due process" 

Anyone saying "all lives matter" is either trolling or indicating their inability to understand any sort of nuance. 

You leftys like putting words in people's mouths including mine.

See when you decide to commit a crime there are two risks - one is that you will kill someone and go to jail for life and the other is the criminal will get killed. Criminals are well aware of the risks.

The moral is don't commit crimes you budding criminals and everyone will benefit.

All lives do matter , doesn't yours  ? and everyone's who posts on here  and I am assuming you are not Afro - American.

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so how’s everyone else going on alt-right cliche bingo

thanks to the all lives matter I just need to be called a snowflake and then “Bingo”

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3 hours ago, theseeker said:

You leftys like putting words in people's mouths including mine.

See when you decide to commit a crime there are two risks - one is that you will kill someone and go to jail for life and the other is the criminal will get killed. Criminals are well aware of the risks.

The moral is don't commit crimes you budding criminals and everyone will benefit.

All lives do matter , doesn't yours  ? and everyone's who posts on here  and I am assuming you are not Afro - American.

Firstly, I wasn't talking about criminals, I was talking about people who have committed a crime in the past - like Floyd - what "risk" are they taking, if they are not doing anything wrong, but still wind up dead? And this of course applies to people who have never committed a crime either. The risk they take is EXISTING. "Walking while black".

Even if I accept - which I don't - that by committing a crime you are giving away your right not to be murdered - even if I accept that, guess what - that's the risk you take when you become a cop. The moral is, don't become one.

As for all lives matter - this is the point. In the states, here, less concern is given to sections of the population, borne out by rates of incarceration, legal assistance, deaths in police custody. That's the point. Anyone saying BLM is making that very point - all lives should matter, but they don't. Like I said if you need this explained to you you are trolling or unable to understand nuance.

If you don't believe that police lives matter more than others, please explain the significance of police deaths to you and your comments on them. What else are you trying to infer?

If you don't believe that criminals give away their rights not to be murdered, (I mean, you've doubled down on this one, so it's weird to think this is not the case) then what do you mean by your statements? And is there a difference to you between people who just look like they are committing a crime but nothing is proven yet? and people who simply aren't at all? (this is nuanced stuff here mate, so, you know, you can show your colours at this point).

 

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6 hours ago, theseeker said:

Yea who'd be a cop in America.

An average of about over 100 cops die on the job each year. In one incident four cops were ambushed and slaughtered in Tacoma.

What happened to Floyd was inexcusable but he was a a person with a violent criminal history who is now being elevated to sainthood.

If I was a cop in America my number one aim would be to make it home alive each day.

And remember a black cop killed that Aussie woman in the USA. No demos ?

Defund the the cops ? I'm reminded of the Rolling Stones song " Gimme Shelter " lyrics  - " **** , murder it's just a shot away" 

I try so hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. 
 

1. “What happened to Floyd was inexcusable but..... ( proceeds to excuse it)

2. An average of about 100 cops die each year....did you know that over 1000 people die at the hands of police each year in the US, a disproportionate amount of them black? 
 

3. If I was a cop in America....make it home alive......maybe sargeant Chauvin should have thought of making it home instead of jail when he killed Floyd... I do notice that Floyd, Arbury, Elijah McClain didn’t make it home either. 
 

4. And the black cop that killed the Australian woman? He was arrested and convicted. There was no cover up. 
 

:nea:

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3 hours ago, theseeker said:

You leftys like putting words in people's mouths including mine.

See when you decide to commit a crime there are two risks - one is that you will kill someone and go to jail for life and the other is the criminal will get killed. Criminals are well aware of the risks.

The moral is don't commit crimes you budding criminals and everyone will benefit.

All lives do matter , doesn't yours  ? and everyone's who posts on here  and I am assuming you are not Afro - American.

See, the problem is that your argument of committing crime....blah blah is that it’s not equal. The risk of committing the crime and swing at the hands of police increases astronomically when you are black. 
 

Yes my life matters, but right now we want want black lives to be on par with at least as much as my life matters. 
 

That’s why...

 

Black Lives Matter. 

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10 minutes ago, Cynth said:

 

4. And the black cop that killed the Australian woman? He was arrested and convicted. There was no cover up. 
 

:nea:

Yep, that's it. Put away for 12 years, no muss, no fuss.

Interesting, because, while thousands of people are killed by police every year in the states, since 2005 about 100 or so cops have actually been charged with anything and of those less than half have been convicted - only 5 with murder.

I wonder what the difference in that case was that made it so clearcut.

 

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20 minutes ago, marron said:

Firstly, I wasn't talking about criminals, I was talking about people who have committed a crime in the past - like Floyd - what "risk" are they taking, if they are not doing anything wrong, but still wind up dead? And this of course applies to people who have never committed a crime either. The risk they take is EXISTING. "Walking while black".

Even if I accept - which I don't - that by committing a crime you are giving away your right not to be murdered - even if I accept that, guess what - that's the risk you take when you become a cop. The moral is, don't become one.

As for all lives matter - this is the point. In the states, here, less concern is given to sections of the population, borne out by rates of incarceration, legal assistance, deaths in police custody. That's the point. Anyone saying BLM is making that very point - all lives should matter, but they don't. Like I said if you need this explained to you you are trolling or unable to understand nuance.

If you don't believe that police lives matter more than others, please explain the significance of police deaths to you and your comments on them. What else are you trying to infer?

If you don't believe that criminals give away their rights not to be murdered, (I mean, you've doubled down on this one, so it's weird to think this is not the case) then what do you mean by your statements? And is there a difference to you between people who just look like they are committing a crime but nothing is proven yet? and people who simply aren't at all? (this is nuanced stuff here mate, so, you know, you can show your colours at this point).

 

I'm having trouble following your post , it's a bit rambling and confusing for me so I'll try and keep it simple.

But on your first sentence , if you have been convicted of a crime in the past (or present) that automatically designates you a criminal for ever, no if or buts about it.

I repeat this , if you commit a crime you are taking a known risk that rightly or wrongly you could get hurt or worse and you must accept that risk. It's on the criminal nobody else.

I doubt the cops that got killed were committing a crime , they were just guys going to work who didn't come home.

Numerically more whites are killed by police than Afro-Americans , but proportionally it's the other way round. But could that be due the fact there is a higher level of crime , for whatever reason, for the Afro-American population ?

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13 minutes ago, marron said:

Yep, that's it. Put away for 12 years, no muss, no fuss.

Interesting, because, while thousands of people are killed by police every year in the states, since 2005 about 100 or so cops have actually been charged with anything and of those less than half have been convicted - only 5 with murder.

I wonder what the difference in that case was that made it so clearcut.

 

That's a very light sentence for murder. Wonder why.

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It's heavy for a cop.

Tell me, when he gets out of prison, will he deserve to be killed for reaching for his phone?

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1 hour ago, Cynth said:

I try so hard to give you the benefit of the doubt. 
 

1. “What happened to Floyd was inexcusable but..... ( proceeds to excuse it)

2. An average of about 100 cops die each year....did you know that over 1000 people die at the hands of police each year in the US, a disproportionate amount of them black? 
 

3. If I was a cop in America....make it home alive......maybe sargeant Chauvin should have thought of making it home instead of jail when he killed Floyd... I do notice that Floyd, Arbury, Elijah McClain didn’t make it home either. 
 

4. And the black cop that killed the Australian woman? He was arrested and convicted. There was no cover up. 
 

:nea:

Regarding item 1. Inexcusable meant inexcusable.  Nowhere was that contradicted , although I don't agree with the sainthood status surrounding him.

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20 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Regarding item 1. Inexcusable meant inexcusable.  Nowhere was that contradicted , although I don't agree with the sainthood status surrounding him.

No one said he was a saint. He had gone a whole decade without crime. On that day at that time, he was not paying for the sins of his past but for the sins of a brutal sick cop whose previous grievances against him should have meant he wasn’t there to kill a man that day. 

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