VAR & FFA Must Go After Derby Disgrace

[leslie]

What concerns me most is Riera's lack of form. Going on last year, you'd bet your house on a goal every other game. This years he's missing sitters.

[Hughesy]

34 minutes ago, leslie said:

What concerns me most is Riera's lack of form. Going on last year, you'd bet your house on a goal every other game. This years he's missing sitters.

I thought he had a pretty good crack with the average service he was given the other night. Our free kicks, corners and crosses into the box are so inconsistent, even the secondary play when it's cleared back out is poor and usually results in the ball just being played backwards, killing any momentum.

[Sithslayer1991]

no VAR comment from me enough has been said I will go the Babbel route and talk about the team performance.

Roly before disallowed goal was just s***. I mean unnecessarily giving fouls in no pressure situations, giving the ball away. But after VAR its like unlocked beast mode or something, and literraly was shoving people of the ball showing that strong physicality and confidence with the ball. Hammil another one before VAR was poor. He couldn't marshall the defence properly and Tongyik got him out of jail quiet a few times, but most of all his passing was poor and led to a few Smurf chances. Risdon well IDK whats going on with him but he is better than what he is showing. Elrich had a decent game improvement from last week.

Baccus had a much better game than last week but Mahazi was terrible. 1st half in particular he took a while to get going and we were getting overrun.

In attack only Treejack showed any true quality and moments for us to score his vision is amazing and no biased but this guy is genuinely better than Ninkovic. Some his passes are really world class and vision to see the runs Reira and Sotirio make which led to some of our better chances in the first half. Just a shame that the player he passes to don't make the most of his chances, bar that Roly VAR shamble

[jockman]

I watch the bundesliga. Where VAR was introduced at the start of this season.

No suprises.typical German efficiency. Used only when real doubt about a decision. VAR review process quick efficient. and in the games when ive seen it used . Usually on the money with decision. German referees seem to get it !!!

Same VAR system here and Germany. So much controversy here. 

German refs professional and top class

A League refs muppets......

[ptwsw]

17 hours ago, sonar said:

A better caption would of been....."  what are the rules again..? "...............

What about this "What's a technical ruling thing, ****........I have to ask Mr Lowy maybe.........."

[HillsWanderer]

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/whistle-round-2-VAR-referee-decisions-aleague

Law 11 of FIFA Laws of the Game states “In situations where a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball.”

In this incident when the ball is played to Josh Risdon, Jaushua Sotirio is in an offside position. Sotirio is in the way of Michael Zullo and interferes with his movement towards the ball. It is an offside offence because it impacts on Zullo’s ability to challenge for the ball. The VAR recommends an On Field Review. The referee reviews the footage and he disallows the goal.

Although this technically is the correct decision, having listened to people in the game since Saturday night, we agree that the VAR should have a higher threshold for clear and obvious errors to get the balance right. The VAR should avoid intervening in subjective and technical decisions which are not clearly and obviously wrong and leave those decisions to the on-field match officials. The VARs have been instructed to apply this position in future.

[mack]

Funny how that didn't apply when it was Sydney FC scoring a goal against Perth in a semi-final. 

Or when Adelaide scored a goal against us last season. Hell, that goal came directly off the foot of an opposition player before being scored.

Or when Mahazi was disrupted from going toward the ball by Brosque who was offside.

FFA are making it up as they go along.

Baumjohann was taken out and the foul ended in the box = penalty. Where's the apology for missing that?

[Paul01]

1 minute ago, mack said:

Funny how that didn't apply when it was Sydney FC scoring a goal against Perth in a semi-final. 

Or when Adelaide scored a goal against us last season. Hell, that goal came directly off the foot of an opposition player before being scored.

Or when Mahazi was disrupted from going toward the ball by Brosque who was offside.

FFA are making it up as they go along.

Baumjohann was taken out and the foul ended in the box = penalty. Where's the apology for missing that?

You won't get an apology for their support of Their sky blues.

Let's see what On Friday night against the other sky blue team.

FFA Cup won't have VAR so Adelaide have a chance.

[BoyFromTheWest]

28 minutes ago, mack said:

Funny how that didn't apply when it was Sydney FC scoring a goal against Perth in a semi-final. 

Or when Adelaide scored a goal against us last season. Hell, that goal came directly off the foot of an opposition player before being scored.

Or when Mahazi was disrupted from going toward the ball by Brosque who was offside.

FFA are making it up as they go along.

Baumjohann was taken out and the foul ended in the box = penalty. Where's the apology for missing that?

Or in Sydney's first goal when le Fondre was offside from the free kick and was interfering with play in that players were drawn to him.  Questionable whether he was also offside when he received the ball for his first shot in that piece.  How wasn't VAR used there???

[Davo]

I disagree that it impacted Zullo's ability to challenge for the ball. Risdon was far enough away, moving quickly and crossed first time. Sotirio being there took it from 0% chance of challenging to 0%.

[LetsPele]

3 hours ago, HillsWanderer said:

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/whistle-round-2-VAR-referee-decisions-aleague

Law 11 of FIFA Laws of the Game states “In situations where a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball.”

In this incident when the ball is played to Josh Risdon, Jaushua Sotirio is in an offside position. Sotirio is in the way of Michael Zullo and interferes with his movement towards the ball. It is an offside offence because it impacts on Zullo’s ability to challenge for the ball. The VAR recommends an On Field Review. The referee reviews the footage and he disallows the goal.

Although this technically is the correct decision, having listened to people in the game since Saturday night, we agree that the VAR should have a higher threshold for clear and obvious errors to get the balance right. The VAR should avoid intervening in subjective and technical decisions which are not clearly and obviously wrong and leave those decisions to the on-field match officials. The VARs have been instructed to apply this position in future.

Respectfully disagree (btw that's not the 2018 version of rule 11. I recall it's worded slightly differently but in similar terms. But let's go with your quoted version... The answer is the same regardless)

The critical part you gloss over is whether Zullo's opportunity 'to play or challenge for the ball' is impacted.  

This additional requirement mandates that Sotirio has to interfere with Zullo's ability (a) to play the ball or (b) to challenge for the ball. If you accept this interpretation there can be no offence because Zullo has no realistic, practical or reasonable opportunity of doing either. Not when the ball was released. Not at the point of contact between the two of them. Not afterwards either. 

The decision was wrong in the football sense. And it was wrong in the technical sense.

[Edinburgh]

For me, Beath's performance on Saturday was worse than Ams the week before. Will Beath be rested next week? Not a chance!

[mack]

The IFAB laws of the game for this issue are that a player is offside "on becoming involved in active play" by "making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball".

It also specifically states the situation Sotirio was in by saying additionally:

"Player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent play or challenge for the ball."

Sotirio didn't make any obvious action. He also didn't interfere with Zullo because he didn't impact on the ability of Zullo to challenge for the ball because Zullo had no ability even if Sotirio wasn't there.

[btron3000]

Objects in the mirror (or on tv) are closer than they appear.

[btron3000]

1 minute ago, btron3000 said:

Objects in the mirror (or on tv) are closer than they appear.

No, the opposite! Haha

[MathyouWSW]

21 hours ago, sonar said:

A better caption would of been....."  what are the rules again..? "...............

You asked for it: 



On a serious note...

- You can see Babbel is going to be a fan favourite and going to fit very well in the club, I got a feeling he'll make the squad change to what he wants next season for sure as I feel the squad is still a 'Post-Gombau' squad.

- VAR is going to be the talk of the whole season and going to drive everyone f*cking mental (until it's gone for good!)

- Baumjohann is a beast that should change is surname to "BEASTjohann"

- Hopefully this week Reira begins his race to the golden boot and since we're facing the Nix, hopefully Reira runs past Nichols and gives him the two fingers with his tongue out at least once or twice.

- Also, It's still Oktoberfest, right? Hopefully Babbel had a few beers on Sunday afternoon to cool himself down after Saturday's outburst. 

[luisenrique]

Btw, how pathetic is Zullo as a person? Saying he wouldn't mind being further from the fans...constantly screaming at refs like Brosque...and one of the biggest divers in the league. Couldn't be happier that twats like him don't play for us.

[Hughesy]

8 hours ago, mack said:

The IFAB laws of the game for this issue are that a player is offside "on becoming involved in active play" by "making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball".

It also specifically states the situation Sotirio was in by saying additionally:

"Player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent play or challenge for the ball."

Sotirio didn't make any obvious action. He also didn't interfere with Zullo because he didn't impact on the ability of Zullo to challenge for the ball because Zullo had no ability even if Sotirio wasn't there.

Sotirio never makes any obvious or purposeful actions...

Further proof that Beath has no idea

[HillsWanderer]

10 hours ago, LetsPele said:

Respectfully disagree (btw that's not the 2018 version of rule 11. I recall it's worded slightly differently but in similar terms. But let's go with your quoted version... The answer is the same regardless)

The critical part you gloss over is whether Zullo's opportunity 'to play or challenge for the ball' is impacted.  

This additional requirement mandates that Sotirio has to interfere with Zullo's ability (a) to play the ball or (b) to challenge for the ball. If you accept this interpretation there can be no offence because Zullo has no realistic, practical or reasonable opportunity of doing either. Not when the ball was released. Not at the point of contact between the two of them. Not afterwards either. 

The decision was wrong in the football sense. And it was wrong in the technical sense.

You do realise that I just copied the whole thing from https://www.a-league.com.au/news/whistle-round-2-VAR-referee-decisions-aleague.

[Davo]

 

[marron]

Unfortunately the goggles appear to keep him in his job.

[btron3000]

If only they did nothing

[Paul01]

FFA Cup

no VAR. 

Gillett in the centre. Beath and Evans both not there even as 4th official or AAR

[Davo]

12 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

If only they did nothing

 

[beatsurrender]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/29/evolution-not-revolution-the-formula-for-a-league-success-in-sydney

[Carns]

27 minutes ago, beatsurrender said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/oct/29/evolution-not-revolution-the-formula-for-a-league-success-in-sydney

Feels good reading that after the Smurfs lost. But he makes good points and I agree with pretty much all of it.

[Prydzopolis]

On 28 October 2018 at 3:23 PM, Bellby said:

I couldn’t remember which game it was nor if the refs came out afterwards & said they made the wrong call or not.

Have they ever? They always seem to come to the right call. Funnily enough, they said that they were right but in the future wouldn't over turn a similar decision. Go figure.

On 28 October 2018 at 9:03 AM, Smoggy said:

Just on Roly..

He went on a great run at Perth last week and grabbed us a draw with a great strike. He made a few good runs yesterday and got in to good positions, he was unlucky first half and should have been the person that got us back in to the game yesterday with a goal in 2 matches running. He showed how much he cared yesterday also with how annoyed he was with missing that chance and at the end with how deflated he was. He is putting in big shifts at the moment, yes he frustrates but for me has been the player of the opening few rounds...feel for the fella this morning and hope this drives him on, grab a goal against his old club and then turn it on in Mudgee 

I've said it before, the guy loves playing for us & in front of our fans. Great guy but feel like we haven't taken to him as he had taken to us.

On 28 October 2018 at 2:06 PM, FCB said:

But Bozza, you are a bit late to the party, really. S3: red card against Saba for hitting the ball;

Hahaha. You tell them Markus. And no, there was nothing wrong with your body language. Not at all. Welcome to the HAL, Markus.

I was told that Ben Williams gave that red card, not because it was a red card but he was worried he was going to lose control of the game. It's his job to manage the game, not hand out red cards (for a reckless challenge) to do it for him.

Nobody ever has had poor body language or used any abusive language to referees ever before on or off the field. I'd love to see some of the Arnie & Brosque blows ups from the last few years. He has had 2 games in Australia & he has been labelled as having an anger problem. 2 GAMES and they've come to this conclusion  

On 28 October 2018 at 2:40 PM, btron3000 said:

I was ready to walk out last night and if la Banda and capos etc. had left I’d have gone too. But what we did was better. We got angry, we got louder. We sounded like RBB should.

If Babbel pulled the boys from the field, I wouldn't have blamed him.

On 28 October 2018 at 4:25 PM, Davo said:

I'm no lipreader but if that's enough to get sent off Brosque should walk every week with the way he talks to referees.

 

On 28 October 2018 at 4:04 PM, Edinburgh said:

To curry favour with FIFA? To impress FIFA with their forward thinking? 

I believe they picked up 250,000 for taking on the trial last year.

On 29 October 2018 at 5:59 PM, jockman said:

I watch the bundesliga. Where VAR was introduced at the start of this season.

No suprises.typical German efficiency. Used only when real doubt about a decision. VAR review process quick efficient. and in the games when ive seen it used . Usually on the money with decision. German referees seem to get it !!!

Same VAR system here and Germany. So much controversy here. 

German refs professional and top class

A League refs muppets......

I'm pro VAR, no I'm pro VAR when it's used properly. In Serie A, those VAR's were the ones that did the majority of the World Cup games. The usage is spot on, unfortunately it has been mistake after mistake in Australia meaning that it is very hard for us to trust VAR or Australian referees use of VAR.

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Whoever made that comment on Hamil, spot on  I don't think he has been outstanding but the last two seasons he has really stepped up. Not blaming the loss on VAR but instead his body language & the words "we just need to do whatever it takes to win"

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The performance: The guy goes around telling his players we have the worst squad in the league. We certainly played like it. The luck the smurfs get, that first goal which deflected out to the only smurf in the open & then the inept Beath doing his thing.

First half, after the goal we were totally outplayed & second best. We did create some chances but like many previous derbies we have been so wasteful only for the smurfs to be clinical. Started the second half slow and that second goal, disaster.  We stepped on the gas after that devarcle but not good enough

In Perth we showed some promise & in the derby we showed enough to prove that we won't come last. I think the devarcle has helped to deflect away from our performance which wasn't good enough. Lucky that we have been able to direct our anger at another derby loss under superfluous circumstances to VAR. It might not be pretty otherwise.

[LetsPele]

13 hours ago, HillsWanderer said:

You do realise that I just copied the whole thing from https://www.a-league.com.au/news/whistle-round-2-VAR-referee-decisions-aleague.

I do now... So, apologies... I took it as your view not some official response from ref central... They're explanation is still fatally flawed...

[Hughesy]

54 minutes ago, Carns said:

Feels good reading that after the Smurfs lost. But he makes good points and I agree with pretty much all of it.

So do I. You can’t deny that the change in that club has been remarkable. I remember in the early days of WSW, you’d go to a derby and it became second nature to win them for a while there. They used to be an absolute rabble. Those days are long gone now unfortunately for us. 

[wendybr]

1 hour ago, hughsey said:

So do I. You can’t deny that the change in that club has been remarkable. I remember in the early days of WSW, you’d go to a derby and it became second nature to win them for a while there. They used to be an absolute rabble. Those days are long gone now unfortunately for us. 

They were an absolute rabble for FAR LONGER than when WSW arrived on the scene.

Even when they won for the second time in 2010 (was it?)  - there was no feeling of solidity or self belief - such as they 've had for the past 2 seasons.

Quite honestly, for all the Arnie contempt expressed here, you have to take your hat off to him. It didn't happen over night - but he had a vision (based on solid success at A League level with the Mariners -and look at them ever since he departed the scene! 😯)

I'm sure some will say it's only about $$$$$$ and the FFA's/ referees favouritism (which I don't deny occurs) - but I think there's more to it than that.

For all that rubs many the wrong way about Arnold  (well from opposition teams at least) the guy is able to pull his teams together - by recruiting brilliantly and getting his players working as a solid unit.

And so far - that has been left behind as somewhat of a legacy (but I guess time will tell with that)

We can only hope he's able to achieve something of this success  as our National Team coach (much as some haters probably won't easily give up being haters).