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1 hour ago, wendybr said:

Tardotz posted this on the Refereeing Thread :good:, but, given that the refereeing issue is a hot topic here, and more people probably visit here than over there,  I'll post it here too.

I added a comment to the article (fwiw)...and maybe some of you who are clearly upset by the standard of A League refereeing will be inclined to do the same?

Comments might support Bozza, and also might encourage Fox to put pressure on the FFA - if they get the sense that their viewers are being turned off by the refereeing - which they definitely are?

IDK - but sharing our complaints here probably needs to be taken further...and this might be one little thing to try (although I have no idea how widely read the comment section would be).

Anyway...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/constant-controversy-surrounding-refereeing-decisions-is-tarnishing-the-credibility-of-the-aleague-says-mark-bosnich/news-story/636dfa1ae6c2a205659d7d12455db007

Re your comment - :golecapproves:

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6 minutes ago, beatsurrender said:

When we start winning the discussion about referees will drop significantly.

So, the way to fix the refereeing problem is for WSW to win more games?!

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22 hours ago, Prydzopolis said:

To be honest, I don’t mind if it was a little cynical. My Nonno had a saying “it’s better to laugh than cry”, I’m not saying it excuses the abuse or the loud criticism of our players but laughing with my brother quietly, more in jest at the culmination of circumstances that seemed to have hit our season is fitting. Sometimes when things go this bad, it’s better to laugh maybe not in a menacing way but in exasperation whether it be a Majok first touch, a goal from the opposition who seem to score from there first chance 30 minutes in, celebrating the crowd guessing competition or another bad referee call.

I know we have one guy behind us who constantly gives **** to our players from the first few games at ANZ. I gave him some words along the lines of “you can say whatever you want after the game but while you are here you need to support the players”. He no longer sits behind us, maybe he moved next to you :lol:

On referee conspiracy: Nothing seems to be going right for us, not just rub of the green but clear cut black & white decisions.

It’s not bias or conspiracy, although it’s easy to think this way when it comes to referees. It comes down to ineptitude, they just aren’t good enough.

The problem we have is the referees behind the VAR, if we had apt referees with ability we wouldn't be having these issues. They just aren’t good enough, it’s not just the younger referees either but the more experienced ones too.

This is what shits me the most, where they tend to find any excuse to explain blatantly wrong decisions. The Keogh decision last week was explained away as “sufficient contact to bring him down” which is just a blatant lie. They’ll use anything to excuse mistakes. It’s great that they have an article like this every week explaining big decisions but what’s the point if they try to find a way to justify a decision that was so wrong that you don’t even need any knowledge of the game to know it’s bullshit.

I can see something for the offside as “they had a different camera angle or the line they used on the TV broadcast was not straight”

I am in the minority on this one but I applaud some tactical innovation of MB’s part on trying to impact the game by using some tactical changes to our team. It’s been 2/3 of the season & we haven’t seen any changes to our team, from a manager with pedigree I think this is poor,

Don’t get me wrong, if we are winning, playing well, outplaying our opposition each week then there is less onus on the manager to change the system. This is the complete opposite to what is happening right now. I feel that these systems need to be worked on in training for weeks before being implemented otherwise it turns out to be a disaster.

If we have been playing every 3 days since Christmas, I don’t see where the players would have the time to practice this on the training pitch. Much of the time would be working on recovery, travel & light sessions for the players.

On the actual game:

I do agree expecting your wing back to play so high up the field but at the same time expect him to cover a winger was not going to work well, especially with Adelaide switching between a counter attacking game & regularly beating the press.

The two biggest issues I saw was with the midfield being overrun so easily. (1) Once they broke the press our two man midfield was bypassed so easily. (2) The other issue was with the 3 CB unable to pick up or at least identify which of the runners from deep was there man. To say that he got the tactics wrong is an easy answer, I feel it more comes down to execution & been underprepared.

Re: Use of the squad this season (and this is more of a general comment):

(1) It is partially forced with injuries & requiring our youth players to be promoted to play (2) Right from the beginning of the season he promised to play our youngsters if they were better than the more experienced players (3) We are playing for nothing this season, might as well use the second half of the season to not just prepare the youngsters for next season but to pick out which ones are worth keeping & which ones to let go. (4) The balance of the squad always meant with a few injuries we were always going to have to rely on our younger players. (5) We had a 50/50 split in our squad, you aren’t going to win trophies when relying on young players to take control of a game or win key moments or remain mentally strong, it is very hard to rely on these younger players when they don’t have the experience for these moments.

Take into account the factors above: It was always going to be an uphill battle, right from the first minute of our first game but explains MB expectation that we’ll be lucky to pick up a point in the next few games.

You can’t blame the players in the last few games, all we want to see is the players putting in some effort & playing with a bit of heart.

Re: Injury crisis, unfortunately it’s too late for our new fitness guy to make much of a change. All the work preseason & early season shapes a players body for the season ahead. The players bodies can’t handle it.

I disagree, highlighted one of the issues with fitness above but the other is how Australian players can’t cope with two games a week & has been happening since our inception. We play a 28 game season, it just isn’t enough for players. I think it is something else for our managers who actually need to rotate to use the majority of the extended squad rather than just a 15 man squad.

This is a mentality shift that needs to change in Australian football & one that I feel that MB has been trying to change in our players minds since he arrived. It is also a spectator issue too, we are not used to midweek football, it is something that does not change overnight. Ratings have not been good.

The only issue I have with his fashion sense is that the Australian football media are spending too much time focusing on what he is wearing & bypassing the bigger issues of our game.

On the number of games/2 games a week thing, Kieran Tierney has played 34 games for Celtic so far this season. And there’s still half of it to go. 

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On 19/01/2019 at 12:04 PM, wendybr said:

Some positives for me - the pregame gathering with some formites, and some great moments on the pitch by the kids. In such a makeshift squad, I thought there were some positive signs for the future, for sure.

The negatives (apart from the incompetence of the referees - which can be maybe excused as human error, and the inexplicable inconsistencies of the VAR which CANNOT be given any such benefit of doubt) was the behaviour of numerous "supporters" around me.

Constant heckling of our own players, who are battling under difficult and probably rather humiliating circumstances, disgusts me. How on Earth does being heckled with sarcastic comments and actually laughed at very audibly if they make a bad decision assist a player to find confidence?????

Last night's experience as a member of the crowd took me back to countless days on the sidelines of SFC games. TBH it was worse, in terms of the insults and derision being slung at our players, by a wider number of people.

I absolutely could not blame people for not attending the last few games at SOP. I'm in two minds as to whether we shouldn't do it as a way to reinforce our dissatisfaction with the level of incompetence with the officiating, but accompanying that action with another letter writing campaign, such as many of us undertook a few seasons ago, to explain why this action was  being taken.

But if "supporters" think that they are doing anything other than compounding the problem by jeering at/mocking  our own players for the entirety of the game, I hope they definitely decide not to return for the rest of this season.

My 2 cents worth

 

PS My comment wasn't directed at BBB at all! His post just touched on 2 issues I felt strongly about - ie offering support as well as protesting the officiating.

Agree 100%. 

Not going to comment on VAR. In the NFL they review every scoring play, why not do the same ? Or did they? If they did, that's even worse.

However, for me the real issue is as follows...

Friday nite was the 4th home game in a row I went on my own. In my row I counted 20 consecutive vacant seats on my left and 12 on my right. I pay for 4 season tickets for my family. Even allowing for Wanderland 2.0 next season, 2 members out my 4 have indicated they are not interested in being members anymore. It appears, based on last 2 home games, that 1/2 (maybe more) of our membership can't even be bothered turning up anymore, let alone attracting casual supporters.  

It's all well and good to trumpet on about spending $30mil on HQ's, acadamies and youth for the future, but remember..."it ain't a party if no one shows up". Last 3 home game crowds were 7,062 v Tards, 7,288 v Phoenix, 7,104 v Adelaide. I call bullsh!t on all 3 figures. Checked records and could not find a club that had 3 home games in a row with crowd figures so close together in league history. Was at all 3 games and IMO there was nowhere near 7000 at any of them.  Does anyone else think there was more people on Fri night than against tards in round 11? Or that the Phoenix crowd was bigger on a stormy nite?

Is 7000 the magic number we can't go under for attendance at SOP?. Are they that dumb that they thought no one would notice?

Dear Mr Lederer and Mr Tsatsimas what is your plan to correct this problem? Do you acknowledge there is even a problem? If not, start a 2nd career A League refereeing, you'll fit right in.

I do not blame the players for everything, have been happy with performances since xmas.

Casuals come and go according to team results, but when the members stop coming.... Houston, we have a problem.

Won't be standing by waiting for a reply from either, may be walking the other way.........and as a foundation member that breaks my heart.
 

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9 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

So, the way to fix the refereeing problem is for WSW to win more games?!

While there have been games where we have been terrible and the referees have played no part in that, it's the manner in which they ( the referees )  have cost us games that is the problem. They are there to give unbiased decions on the rules of the game, not determine the outcome through incompetence.They are not supposed to be the main attraction.....they seem eager to make sure that they are.

9 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

No but we won’t care as much 

Perhaps....but if a decision costs us a Premiership or Championship I would still care.

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4 minutes ago, sonar said:

While there have been games where we have been terrible and the referees have played no part in that, it's the manner in which they ( the referees )  have cost us games that is the problem. They are there to give unbiased decions on the rules of the game, not determine the outcome through incompetence.They are not supposed to be the main attraction.....they seem eager to make sure that they are.

Perhaps....but if a decision costs us a Premiership or Championship I would still care.

I'm on your side here. You've basically stated my point of view. Except you left out bias.

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10 hours ago, colhil said:

Agree 100%. 

Not going to comment on VAR. In the NFL they review every scoring play, why not do the same ? Or did they? If they did, that's even worse.

However, for me the real issue is as follows...

Friday nite was the 4th home game in a row I went on my own. In my row I counted 20 consecutive vacant seats on my left and 12 on my right. I pay for 4 season tickets for my family. Even allowing for Wanderland 2.0 next season, 2 members out my 4 have indicated they are not interested in being members anymore. It appears, based on last 2 home games, that 1/2 (maybe more) of our membership can't even be bothered turning up anymore, let alone attracting casual supporters.  

It's all well and good to trumpet on about spending $30mil on HQ's, acadamies and youth for the future, but remember..."it ain't a party if no one shows up". Last 3 home game crowds were 7,062 v Tards, 7,288 v Phoenix, 7,104 v Adelaide. I call bullsh!t on all 3 figures. Checked records and could not find a club that had 3 home games in a row with crowd figures so close together in league history. Was at all 3 games and IMO there was nowhere near 7000 at any of them.  Does anyone else think there was more people on Fri night than against tards in round 11? Or that the Phoenix crowd was bigger on a stormy nite?

Is 7000 the magic number we can't go under for attendance at SOP?. Are they that dumb that they thought no one would notice?

Dear Mr Lederer and Mr Tsatsimas what is your plan to correct this problem? Do you acknowledge there is even a problem? If not, start a 2nd career A League refereeing, you'll fit right in.

I do not blame the players for everything, have been happy with performances since xmas.

Casuals come and go according to team results, but when the members stop coming.... Houston, we have a problem.

Won't be standing by waiting for a reply from either, may be walking the other way.........and as a foundation member that breaks my heart.
 

In fairness to the club management, what can they do publicly? Call them out and watch the refs take their retribution out on the players even more... It’s the job of the media to do it 

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Even Archie went into bat for us on shootout last night saying it was offside 

what can the club do, go rage mode. The season is gone 

it’s going to take a miracle to make the 6 so who cares what the refs or ffa do, I generally overlook the refs but the decable with this offside and brosque telling the ref to send Hoffman off is the straw that broke my camel back! 

Unload on these ****s - Burztur I do hear you but we are getting shafted weekly anyway so how can it get worse 

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Our crowd figures have never seemed correct to me. I remember when we were playing at parra and there was a period where regardless of how full or empty the place looked, the figure would always be in the 12,000’s.

The last three home games I reckon they counted everyone twice. Having said that though, I saw two blokes go into the ground ahead of me on Friday and their passes weren’t scanning so the guy just told them to walk through and not worry. The size of the stadium also makes the crowd look a lot smaller so who knows...

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On 19/01/2019 at 8:22 AM, FCB said:

According to John Greco's write up it was all about Goodwin who "shone brightly"

I thought Goodwin's post match interview comments were pretty honest.  I don't think he thought himself that Adelaide particularly deserved the win.

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 By far the most annoying "expert" tonight was some distance behind me...so quite a way behind you...and very shrill, persistent, inane and female.

 

Sounds like a 13 y.o. girl 2 rows back from me. She was with an adult who was watching something really interesting on his phone. I really wanted to tell her shut up, but a 45 white bloke telling a teen girl want to do isn't a good look.

Her expert comments ranged from 'pass it forward', to 'break their legs'. 

Hopefully that was her first and last visit to our bay.

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10 minutes ago, homerj said:

 By far the most annoying "expert" tonight was some distance behind me...so quite a way behind you...and very shrill, persistent, inane and female.

 

Sounds like a 13 y.o. girl 2 rows back from me. She was with an adult who was watching something really interesting on his phone. I really wanted to tell her shut up, but a 45 white bloke telling a teen girl want to do isn't a good look.

Her expert comments ranged from 'pass it forward', to 'break their legs'. 

Hopefully that was her first and last visit to our bay.

I kind of miss the lady behind us in season 2 at Parra who used to shout “get em onside ref” 

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56 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

Unload on these ****s - Burztur I do hear you but we are getting shafted weekly anyway so how can it get worse 

I've got no ideas but the best I can say is the club does all this behind the scenes with the FFA. This is a very insightful post made by someone from CCM on reddit: 

The writer admits that he is a few years out but it shows a cultural problem which needs to be fixed from the top. 

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Why am I not surprised by any of that?!

The toe the line or else bit has been on my mind a lot lately. Especially when kgj is the var. I wouldn't need much convincing that he tells the ref do what I say or else, especially the newer ones. 

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3 hours ago, homerj said:

 By far the most annoying "expert" tonight was some distance behind me...so quite a way behind you...and very shrill, persistent, inane and female.

 

Sounds like a 13 y.o. girl 2 rows back from me. She was with an adult who was watching something really interesting on his phone. I really wanted to tell her shut up, but a 45 white bloke telling a teen girl want to do isn't a good look.

Her expert comments ranged from 'pass it forward', to 'break their legs'. 

Hopefully that was her first and last visit to our bay.

Around Aisle 107?

The one in our area might have been older than that (from the sound of her voice) - but I actually didn't turn around to look. Hers  wasn't the only female voice "coaching" from the side lines though. :unsure:

"Break their legs"? Ugh. I may have said something if I'd heard that.

 

Or I'd have gone to find somewhere to sit in an empty bay. 

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4 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

I kind of miss the lady behind us in season 2 at Parra who used to shout “get em onside ref” 

Hmmm  - I've had enough of all of that tbh (not that THAT would count for anything - lol).

But at best, it's completely pointless... 

At worst, it's counterproductive (if the yelling is directed at our own players) and is a source of irritation to people who just want to watch the game, and maybe pass on comments/observations to those they are sitting with.

It's basically totally selfish and inconsiderate....well..... if it goes on for 90 mins, it is.

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3 hours ago, Burztur said:

I've got no ideas but the best I can say is the club does all this behind the scenes with the FFA. This is a very insightful post made by someone from CCM on reddit: 

The writer admits that he is a few years out but it shows a cultural problem which needs to be fixed from the top. 

Ohhh….that's enough to make your skin crawl! :(

How depressing and demoralising are those insights.  :(

I know NOTHING of any of this - but if football in our top level national competition starts to decline in its following (which I think has been happening?), and if the A League has its credibility damaged/undermined...if the footballing public, the commentators (media was mentioned above) and maybe the clubs themselves kick up a fuss...could or would FIFA look into any of this??

Or.....is that beyond a joke....given its off-the-chart levels of historical corruption??

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I'm surprised no one saw or at least commented what happened about 2 minutes before the game started and it was a feel good moment. After the team ran on the pitch Suman went over the bench to Janjetovic. Janjetovic imparted some words of wisdom and bro hug before Suman took off to his poistion. For me that moment shows Janjetovic knows he has screwed up but is still doing his bit by mentoring Suman.

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1 hour ago, wendybr said:

Around Aisle 107?

The one in our area might have been older than that (from the sound of her voice) - but I actually didn't turn around to look. Hers  wasn't the only female voice "coaching" from the side lines though. :unsure:

"Break their legs"? Ugh. I may have said something if I'd heard that.

 

Or I'd have gone to find somewhere to sit in an empty bay. 

Yep in 107.

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1 minute ago, homerj said:

Yep in 107.

Ahhh!   :good:

Hmmm....well, I'm very glad to think it isn't as widespread around the stadium as our section might suggest it is.

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From The World Game website  https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/five-things-we-learned-from-a-league-round-14_2

 

VAR, what is it good for?

If a software failure was blamed for the VAR no-show in last season’s A-League grand final, one can’t help but wonder what Football Federation Australia’s excuse for Friday’s disaster will be.

With the Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United level at one-apiece midway through the second half, Craig Goodwin’s driven strike was inexplicably awarded without review after Nikola Mileusnic appeared to have drifted offside in the build-up.

Given that goals are one of the four types of calls that can be reviewed; Kris Griffiths-Jones – the official in the booth on the night – has no excuse, he flat out failed to do his job.

Was it the cricket; was it Alex de Minaur’s spirited straight sets defeat to Rafael Nadal; what on Earth was he watching?

Roly Bonevacia’s fine free-kick minutes into the second half seemed to give life to a defensively woeful Wanderers outfit, but it all mattered for naught in the end as poor officiating again left its mark.

What’s worse, Markus Babbel’s men were again denied by the VAR no less than 10 minutes later, after Ryan Strain’s challenge on Mathieu Cordier inside the box was deemed legal.

Fox Sports’ Robbie Slater lamented the two incorrect decisions during his live coverage of the match, further fuelling the viewers’ disdain for A-League officials this season.

Such errors have left little room for denial; the nation’s standard of officiating is just not good enough and, as such, so is the VAR.

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1 hour ago, HillsWanderer said:

From The World Game website  https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/five-things-we-learned-from-a-league-round-14_2

 

VAR, what is it good for?

If a software failure was blamed for the VAR no-show in last season’s A-League grand final, one can’t help but wonder what Football Federation Australia’s excuse for Friday’s disaster will be.

With the Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United level at one-apiece midway through the second half, Craig Goodwin’s driven strike was inexplicably awarded without review after Nikola Mileusnic appeared to have drifted offside in the build-up.

Given that goals are one of the four types of calls that can be reviewed; Kris Griffiths-Jones – the official in the booth on the night – has no excuse, he flat out failed to do his job.

Was it the cricket; was it Alex de Minaur’s spirited straight sets defeat to Rafael Nadal; what on Earth was he watching?

Roly Bonevacia’s fine free-kick minutes into the second half seemed to give life to a defensively woeful Wanderers outfit, but it all mattered for naught in the end as poor officiating again left its mark.

What’s worse, Markus Babbel’s men were again denied by the VAR no less than 10 minutes later, after Ryan Strain’s challenge on Mathieu Cordier inside the box was deemed legal.

Fox Sports’ Robbie Slater lamented the two incorrect decisions during his live coverage of the match, further fuelling the viewers’ disdain for A-League officials this season.

Such errors have left little room for denial; the nation’s standard of officiating is just not good enough and, as such, so is the VAR.

Ah SBS when in doubt they come in Foster style strongly criticising BOTH decision to which Fox only focused on the offside.

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On 19/01/2019 at 8:13 PM, wendybr said:

Lol - I saw you up and out of your seat on one occasion. I couldn't hear what you were saying - but I'm pretty sure it was the ref you were addressing ! :xmad::xmad:

Addressing the ref :cheeky: 

It was a bit like that :rofl:

On 19/01/2019 at 6:34 PM, lloydy136 said:

@prydz

On VAR/reffing...

That decision for the second goal shouldn't have needed VAR - right in front of him, no one in the way, short pass. It's an easy one. But ARs have been told to keep their flags down on the close ones and let VAR handle it. This is the problem that i have always had with VAR (one of several) that it takes away the authority,  confidence and decision making from those on the field.

The whole concept is rotten and needs to go.

To be honest, he wasn’t even in the correct position. He was 1-1.5m in front of the last man. Wasn’t even close to being in the right position to make that call.

Offside has now changed. Pre-VAR it was all about benefit of the doubt but now it is a black & white decision. As a result, AR’s need to change the way they officiate from a game with VAR & without VAR. I’m a big fan of letting the VAR call the tight offside. they are not forced to make a decision that could ruin the game.

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Okay

If the instruction is for the AR to not call close ones, they still need to let the R or the VAR know that it was close, and should be looked at. And then it MUST be looked at.

So....

Either, that didn't happen, which could be because the AR just didn't do it, or because the AR thought it was onside (because of poor positioning... but I mean, how could he not think it was close?)

OR

It DID happen, and the VAR rejected the need to have a look at it.

Every single one of those is stuffed.

Of course, the reality is that doing that properly is stuffed too. Not for us on that occasion, but for Adelaide, and for all of us in general. They think they've scored, it gets reviewed, they haven't, who knows what's a goal any more, who cares, the best thing about football is gone with this stupid thing, because we will never be able to celebrate without the niggle that some dickhead will or won't decide to have a look at something and change it.

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The consistency is what gets me

We get a legitimate goal scrubbed out against ESFC for absolutely zero and because some idiot ESFC player runs into one of ours who wasn’t even facing him ffs

And then this blatant offside goal which is pretty obvious to someone that bothered to check isn’t 

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17 hours ago, HillsWanderer said:

From The World Game website  https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/five-things-we-learned-from-a-league-round-14_2

 

VAR, what is it good for?

If a software failure was blamed for the VAR no-show in last season’s A-League grand final, one can’t help but wonder what Football Federation Australia’s excuse for Friday’s disaster will be.

With the Western Sydney Wanderers and Adelaide United level at one-apiece midway through the second half, Craig Goodwin’s driven strike was inexplicably awarded without review after Nikola Mileusnic appeared to have drifted offside in the build-up.

Given that goals are one of the four types of calls that can be reviewed; Kris Griffiths-Jones – the official in the booth on the night – has no excuse, he flat out failed to do his job.

Was it the cricket; was it Alex de Minaur’s spirited straight sets defeat to Rafael Nadal; what on Earth was he watching?

Roly Bonevacia’s fine free-kick minutes into the second half seemed to give life to a defensively woeful Wanderers outfit, but it all mattered for naught in the end as poor officiating again left its mark.

What’s worse, Markus Babbel’s men were again denied by the VAR no less than 10 minutes later, after Ryan Strain’s challenge on Mathieu Cordier inside the box was deemed legal.

Fox Sports’ Robbie Slater lamented the two incorrect decisions during his live coverage of the match, further fuelling the viewers’ disdain for A-League officials this season.

Such errors have left little room for denial; the nation’s standard of officiating is just not good enough and, as such, so is the VAR.

This was fine until Slater was mentioned as if he has some kind of credibility on the laws of the game. My 13 year old daughter - who groans whenever I turn the football and tends to leave the room - has more credibility than he does.

Case in point is his commentary on the Hoffman send off. Hoffman probably feels like he should have had a free kick? No **** Sherlock. If O'Niel tripped me up and then stood on my leg, I'd be expecting a free kick too. Hoffman then rolls over while O'Niel steps over him, they get in a tangle. From the camera angles I saw, i couldn't see him 'lash out'. Yet Slater calls it as a foregone conclusion. The ref had a clear view of the whole thing. Give O'Niel the benefit of the doubt and say that neither was intentional and nothing more than a free kick is warranted, but O'Niel should have been penalised.

Slater is lamenting the decisions? Great. Well done Captain Obvious. It's pretty easy to agree with people when there's no sky blue in sight. I somehow doubt he could explain why they were poor decisions with reference to the laws of the game. 

(Sorry, got on a bit of a rant there. I don't mean to derail this topic, but Slater needs to **** off).

 

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Its funny how breathing on a GK or defender in the box in this morning's Aus v Uzbek game led to a defensive free kick every time. Yet Suman was taken out by Davidson last week and it was waved play on, before Davidson playing the ball from offside.

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21 hours ago, wendybr said:

Ohhh….that's enough to make your skin crawl! :(

How depressing and demoralising are those insights.  :(

I know NOTHING of any of this - but if football in our top level national competition starts to decline in its following (which I think has been happening?), and if the A League has its credibility damaged/undermined...if the footballing public, the commentators (media was mentioned above) and maybe the clubs themselves kick up a fuss...could or would FIFA look into any of this??

Or.....is that beyond a joke....given its off-the-chart levels of historical corruption??

I've heard many stories that corroborate this - e.g. English FA qualified ref moved to Aus coming from reffing in Championship and 1st Div told he would have to do local referees course to be able to ref State League. It's a proper boys club, all about who you know.

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