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1 hour ago, LeeMarvin said:

Geeze Wendy, that sounds kinda threatening...

Nah... It's a bit of a long running joke, Lee.

Legia won't deny that he is often tardy in his replies. He once replied to a question I asked 9 months later!  :rofl:

He answers if he feels like it. It's a game he plays. ;)

:lol::lol:

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3 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Legia won't deny that he is often tardy in his replies. He once replied to a question I asked 9 months later!  :rofl:

Maybe he was off on a deployment with The Legion :)

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59 minutes ago, mack said:

You're very quick on the personal attacks when you're losing an argument.

Oi!

You'll get banned for being antagonistic... :xnod:

 

Oh....wait! 

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54 minutes ago, Flytox said:

The alternative to Albo at the moment is Mr If you don't like what we propose don't vote for Labor Bowen.  Isn't his economic plan what has just been rejected by the voters in every state other than Victoria and South Australia so how would he fare over the next 3 years?

Just saw him interviewed....in front of a fibro house with a sagging sheet?? over the front window. His home?????

Guess it's a bit more relatable to the traditional Labor  "base" than a mansion in Darling Point....or in The Shire.

So.... it's Albo swilling beer in a club, and Bowen establishing his "fibro" credentials, it seems.

So far.

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6 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Just saw him interviewed....in front of a fibro house with a sagging sheet?? over the front window. His home?????

Guess it's a bit more relatable to the traditional Labor  "base" than a mansion in Darling Point....or in The Shire.

So.... it's Albo swilling beer in a club, and Bowen establishing his "fibro" credentials, it seems.

So far.

They need to be what and who they are.

The only time I believed Shorten was when he was upset about things said about his mother.

The only time I believed Beazley was his stand down/losing speech after an election.

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13 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Just saw him interviewed....in front of a fibro house with a sagging sheet?? over the front window. His home?????

Guess it's a bit more relatable to the traditional Labor  "base" than a mansion in Darling Point....or in The Shire.

So.... it's Albo swilling beer in a club, and Bowen establishing his "fibro" credentials, it seems.

So far.

It was his family home growing up.

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9 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

They need to be what and who they are.

The only time I believed Shorten was when he was upset about things said about his mother.

The only time I believed Beazley was his stand down/losing speech after an election.

I don't know how the public fell out of love with Shorten....he was darling of the media, and the public for a while,  during the Beaconsfield miner's rescue.

Was it as soon as he went into politics??

And then I'm not sure what made him so disliked. Maybe some who were Albo fans resented him?

Re Beasley - he was credible I thought - wore his heart on his sleeve, was smart and articulate (altho a "windbag" I was reminded yesterday by a friend). I would never have thought him untrustworthy or lacking credibility as a person. But I never could see him as a PM.

 

PS Just saw Albo again (talking in front of a big wooden paling fence - and he is a reincarnation of Simon Crean, to me.

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I wonder if there was another GFC or even a recession and the world economy went to **** again who would people trust to have the best policies to assist them ?

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4 minutes ago, sonar said:

I wonder if there was another GFC or even a recession and the world economy went to **** again who would people trust to have the best policies to assist them ?

I don't like either of the major parties, but it beggars belief that people fall for the line that the Libs are better economic managers. Our best economic performance has always happened under Labor.

Murdoch and his mouthpieces still run the agenda.

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The mine collapse was 13 years ago. Loads of people don't even know it happened or that Shorten was even there, not that it would matter he was attacked for "standing around for photo ops" by the propaganda media. The mine was closed in 2012.

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^^^No doubt all true.

My point was that, at one point I seem to recall he was popular...and then he became toxic. 

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48 minutes ago, wswtragic said:

I don't like either of the major parties, but it beggars belief that people fall for the line that the Libs are better economic managers. 

The Libs (politicians I mean) are very skilled, well practised and blatant liars. That helps. :D

Not that Labor hasn't joined them sometimes...but not as often.

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21 minutes ago, wendybr said:

^^^No doubt all true.

My point was that, at one point I seem to recall he was popular...and then he became toxic. 

I don't remember him being very popular with the general public, ever.

And he has always had his role in the knifing of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd hanging over him (he was one of the "faceless men", remember).

He was far from alone in those decisions, but was probably the most public of those involved afterwards (most of them either went in to private business or stayed behind the scenes).

With hindsight he's another Hewson type character. Very little natural charisma.

----

The vast majority of politicians would lie through their teeth to get an advantage. Power is what they crave.

They're all reasonably personable and generally got into the business for the right reasons, but you can't stay in the game if you're not willing to lie and use advantages where possible.

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6 hours ago, Legionista said:

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

What about my area? Child protection and children in out of home care? 

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9 hours ago, LeeMarvin said:

Would have to be one of the highest profile supporters along with 'Dicko' then.  Is he still about?

Celebrity Wanderers that I can think of 

Lucy Zelic - SBS

Nicole Da Silva - Wentworth and a bunch of TV

Dicko

Danny Lim - Crazy dude with sandwich board 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Legionista said:

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

 how dare they provide, education, health, infrastructure

if I want a road I go get one myself  

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47 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

 how dare they provide, education, health, infrastructure

if I want a road I go get one myself  

Therein lies part of the problem, lack of education coupled with being thick as cowshit (apologies to our bovines.). 

 

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Elections are no longer about presenting a vision and seeking to lead a nation - well. It is about winning and when you win, life returns to business as usual and little happens until next time you both come out to fight each other to 'win the election.'  Howard raised this to an art form.  He was good at winning elections through generating fear and division.  Beasley was a decent bloke who could never win against a much fiercer competitor who left nothing on the field.  Abbott had the same determination to win - he couldn't lead a nation for love or money, but that wasn't what it was about to Abbott.  When he lost the leadership it was still about winning - this time his fury turned on his own party.  When he and Gillard went head to head and it was effectively a draw, he courted the independents (Oakshot...) and his pitch was that he wanted to win and be PM and he would give them whatever they wanted.  That's why they sided with Gillard because she wanted to do something for Australia, not herself (well probably less for herself and more for Australia than Abbott).

I find it an insult that people like Palmer can actually participate when they are nothing criminals - if you or I did what he did, we wouldn't be free to run around spending money and courting stupid politicians to support our outrageous desires.  He has now come out seeking approval to build a bigger mine on the back of Adani. His $60 Million investment in this election was really about keeping Labor out of government so he could get approval to mine the crap out of Queensland - and they are too stupid too see this.  He ripped off his former employees, the stupid government bailed him out, backed him in the election and now will be expected to give him approval so he can make billions, rip off workers, abuse the land and shaft everyone but himself!  Enough rant.

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9 hours ago, Legionista said:

Anyone moving to New Zealand?

Nah.. dangerous place frequented by racist Right wing Fascist terrorists who massacre innocent men, women and children....You know what I mean, don't you? 

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8 hours ago, Legionista said:

Yes national defense is a neccesary evil. 

There is no way around it. 

Evil is a bit harsh.

:sorry:

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10 hours ago, Legionista said:

Anyone moving to New Zealand?

I put an application in for you Legie. I knew how gutted you were about the election result :meep:

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2 hours ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

Elections are no longer about presenting a vision and seeking to lead a nation - well. It is about winning and when you win, life returns to business as usual and little happens until next time you both come out to fight each other to 'win the election.'  Howard raised this to an art form.  He was good at winning elections through generating fear and division.  Beasley was a decent bloke who could never win against a much fiercer competitor who left nothing on the field.  Abbott had the same determination to win - he couldn't lead a nation for love or money, but that wasn't what it was about to Abbott.  When he lost the leadership it was still about winning - this time his fury turned on his own party.  When he and Gillard went head to head and it was effectively a draw, he courted the independents (Oakshot...) and his pitch was that he wanted to win and be PM and he would give them whatever they wanted.  That's why they sided with Gillard because she wanted to do something for Australia, not herself (well probably less for herself and more for Australia than Abbott).

I find it an insult that people like Palmer can actually participate when they are nothing criminals - if you or I did what he did, we wouldn't be free to run around spending money and courting stupid politicians to support our outrageous desires.  He has now come out seeking approval to build a bigger mine on the back of Adani. His $60 Million investment in this election was really about keeping Labor out of government so he could get approval to mine the crap out of Queensland - and they are too stupid too see this.  He ripped off his former employees, the stupid government bailed him out, backed him in the election and now will be expected to give him approval so he can make billions, rip off workers, abuse the land and shaft everyone but himself!  Enough rant.

I've heard of people now refusing to donate to farmers and other rural areas when they are in drought because "Well you voted the Liberal/Nationals in - why should I help you out when you helped stuff over the country?"

Like on the one hand, I understand their argument. On the other hand, it's a probabilistic one and pretty rough.

Moreover, it could just be they are uninformed and they genuinely thought they were making the right decision.

It's a toughie.

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Posted (edited)

The Electoral Commission's website has a page that shows the swings for and against the government in each state and nationally by demographic.  It divides the electorates up into inner metropolitan, outer metropolitan, provincial, and rural.  The figures are live so that if an electorate is taken out to be recounted it effects the percentages on the page.  In smaller states this effects the numbers significantly until the recount is completed so the actual figure displayed may be inaccurate but the national averages are still fairly accurate.  Nationally inner metropolitan showed little swing, outer metropolitan swung by about 1.5% to the government, provincial swung by about 2.5% to the government, and rural swung by about 1% to the government so it appears that the blame that is being rained on the farmers is not in fact correct.

There is also a page that looks at swings in government held marginals and ALP held marginals and from a cursory view the government appears to have had a better marginal seat strategy.

Edited by Flytox

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3 hours ago, hawks2767 said:

Evil is a bit harsh.

:sorry:

It's OK....it's not personal Hawks!  :grouphug::grouphug:

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6 hours ago, Cynth said:

What about my area? Child protection and children in out of home care? 

By the end of 9 months, you MIGHT get your answer,  Cynth! :D:D

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5 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Celebrity Wanderers that I can think of 

Lucy Zelic - SBS

Nicole Da Silva - Wentworth and a bunch of TV

Dicko

Danny Lim - Crazy dude with sandwich board 

 

 

 

Chris Bath and that Sports news bloke, her partner....well they were there in those early seasons.

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5 hours ago, Cynth said:

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison has scared his way back into office with the shameless lie that Labor was going to slug Australians with $387 billion of higher taxes, repeated so often it sounded true. "

How can any of us be surprised! It's what they always do.

And Labor walks into it time and again.

Axe the Tax...Electricity Bill...GREAT BIG TAX etc.

 

PS Labor should NEVER EVER have anyone called Bill in leadership again. Makes it too easy to come up with their "The Bill you can't afford" type slogans. 

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13 hours ago, sonar said:

wendy,,unfortunately the one clear message from the election is people do not like having money taken off them......ie franking credit, negative gearing etc. and the coalition tactics was Labor.......TAX TAX TAX .

As shallow as this sounds the only way the ALP will get back is to offer shitloads of $'s. regardless of the economic consequences. When you have a govt that intends to give billionare and millionares massive tax cuts into the tens of 0,000's per week even though that money would be better off in services what else do you do.

The people of the country voted for the coalition policies. When the cuts to services start I wonder who will scream the loudest.?

HHHHmmmmm don't agree, we need some reform, and we need to charge more tax ... but those franking credits were crazy policy.

 

It effected many many many in fact ten's if not hundreds of thousands people not that well off.....they should have put some kind of weighting as is in income tax i.e your pay no tax on the first 18, 001 and get tax credits for the next little bit so you can effectively earn in the low 20's with little to no tax, higher income is taxed higher. Meaning they could have picked a figure under which people still kept their franking credits and a sliding scale after that.

 

Sadly the ALP thought they had it won and did little campaigning.

 

I wanted a change in government based on Climate Change and  the Libs almost total disregard for it... however the ALP ran IMO a very flawed campaign, I struggle to remember anything exciting they said or planned. They failed to attack the Libs often when they had the chance and had them against the wall but failed to do so... a good example was when they said 50% of cars sold in Australia should be electric and the Libs attacked them and mocked them and said things like the socialist mod will force you to give up your ute etc... 

 

There reply if their was one was weak as piss..... when they could have blown the libs out of the water, as IMO by 2030 close to 100% of cars made in the world will have electric motors .

 

I am mad at the ALP because they really stuffed up big time, they should have walked that election in...

 

Another was their inability to tell Queensland they where not going to shut down the coal industry, and create thousands of new jobs with gas pipelines and thousand more with alternative energy systems. I don't want to sit and say if they had not done X or done Y ... The ALP were unbelievably dumb and IMO there leadership team should be flogged and retired...

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4 hours ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

Elections are no longer about presenting a vision and seeking to lead a nation - well. It is about winning and when you win, life returns to business as usual and little happens until next time you both come out to fight each other to 'win the election.'  Howard raised this to an art form.  He was good at winning elections through generating fear and division.  Beasley was a decent bloke who could never win against a much fiercer competitor who left nothing on the field.  Abbott had the same determination to win - he couldn't lead a nation for love or money, but that wasn't what it was about to Abbott.  When he lost the leadership it was still about winning - this time his fury turned on his own party.  When he and Gillard went head to head and it was effectively a draw, he courted the independents (Oakshot...) and his pitch was that he wanted to win and be PM and he would give them whatever they wanted.  That's why they sided with Gillard because she wanted to do something for Australia, not herself (well probably less for herself and more for Australia than Abbott).

I find it an insult that people like Palmer can actually participate when they are nothing criminals - if you or I did what he did, we wouldn't be free to run around spending money and courting stupid politicians to support our outrageous desires.  He has now come out seeking approval to build a bigger mine on the back of Adani. His $60 Million investment in this election was really about keeping Labor out of government so he could get approval to mine the crap out of Queensland - and they are too stupid too see this.  He ripped off his former employees, the stupid government bailed him out, backed him in the election and now will be expected to give him approval so he can make billions, rip off workers, abuse the land and shaft everyone but himself!  Enough rant.

Great post BFTW!

I forget who it was a day or two back, begging for "truth in advertising" type standards in election campaigns - and don't we need it! But we're too resigned to the bullshi.t to expect it.

How come all our standards (elsewhere it's called false advertising) absolutely go out the window in political campaigns?

Really, it's the law of the jungle, dog eat dog and "All's Fair in Love and War", sadly...isn't it, in politics.

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