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53 minutes ago, wendybr said:

I hate taking sides, hen forumites argue...and it's complicated.

I can see what you're both saying...altho I've only skimmed the last 2 pages.

Of course the Abbott and subsequent Coalition govts are responsible for our years of inaction on CC....and our non-policy on CC, and current position.

But I also can see Middy's point,  when he says that it was Shorten and Labor who blew the election...and thereby are also responsible for the poor situation we're in now.

Mind you...50% of the Aust population who voted in the govt are part of the equation. :(

You could also say The Greens, in scuppering the CPRS (is that what the precursor to the Carbon Tax was called?) did untold damage in voting that down...and who knows what the last decade would have looked like if Rudd's policy had been implemented. 

:(:(

I don't really like reading stuff like that because it's pretty disingenuous

There were 5 Greens senators in 2009 and 37 Liberal/Nationals, but everyone focuses on how the Greens voted it down

Yes they did, but we ignore the 37 Liberal/Nationals

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6 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

I don't really like reading stuff like that because it's pretty disingenuous

There were 5 Greens senators in 2009 and 37 Liberal/Nationals, but everyone focuses on how the Greens voted it down

Yes they did, but we ignore the 37 Liberal/Nationals

bravo Unlimited     :good:.......also it was the Alp/Indies/Greens who implemented CC policy in 2010.......and conservatives who tore it down in 2013.

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11 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

I don't really like reading stuff like that because it's pretty disingenuous

There were 5 Greens senators in 2009 and 37 Liberal/Nationals, but everyone focuses on how the Greens voted it down

Yes they did, but we ignore the 37 Liberal/Nationals

Yes but it did show the lack of pragmatism and realism of the greens, rather than accept a less than perfect solution that would at least establish the mechanisms, that they could have over time increased the targets they vote the whole thing down 

being the greens is kind of cheating, you can come up with any policy you like and be purer than pure safe in the knowledge that you will never have to implement it 

 

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11 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

apparently the Australian believes in Climate Change now and always has done 

Scratch the surface...and it probably won't be human induced CC though.

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2 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Yes but it did show the lack of pragmatism and realism of the greens, rather than accept a less than perfect solution that would at least establish the mechanisms, that they could have over time increased the targets they vote the whole thing down 

being the greens is kind of cheating, you can come up with any policy you like and be purer than pure safe in the knowledge that you will never have to implement it 

 

Iirc the Alp had done a deal with the Libs to pass the CPRS but the next day the deniers headed by Robb and Minchin rolled Turnbull and installed Abbott. It's true that the Greens wouldn't roll over.

The Libs, even after the 2007 election where Howard promised an ETS backflipped. More shame on them than the Greens tbh.

"Prime Minister John Howard promisesan ETS if re-elected: The Government promises to establish a national ETS, starting no later than 2012. The Climate Change Fund is announced as an election promise."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/howard-wrong-taking-ets-to-2007-election-20110421-1dqqv.html

 

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24 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

I don't really like reading stuff like that because it's pretty disingenuous

There were 5 Greens senators in 2009 and 37 Liberal/Nationals, but everyone focuses on how the Greens voted it down

Yes they did, but we ignore the 37 Liberal/Nationals

I voted for The Greens. I generally do.

I always vote for them in the Senate, and in the House of Reps it doesn't matter who I vote for.

I don't condemn them...but it was a terrible, terrible miscalculation on their part.

And with hindsight, I'm sure they'd have done it differently if they'd known what we know now.

Actually , it's an awful irony.

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2 hours ago, wendybr said:

Listening to him today ...and he was quite different to during the campaign.

Not so wooden, and more natural.

You could argue the same thing happened to Gillard, and Turnbull. They've all been shackled by their parties at times and forced to tow the party line (often for strategic reasons). And it often comes across as disingenuous. When they (and other pollies who were not leaders) are allowed to speak their mind freely (which is rare), you can get "the real Julia." ;).

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Maybe they would have.

They might also look at Labor and see where compromise actually gets you.

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Just now, Carns said:

You could argue the same thing happened to Gillard, and Turnbull. They've all been shackled by their parties at times and forced to tow the party line. And it often comes across as disingenuous. When they (and other pollies who were not leaders) are allowed to speak their mind freely (which is rare), you can get "the real Julia." ;).

It happened with Shorten big time.

He was always pretty genial and genuine sounding on Q&A before he took over.

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6 minutes ago, Carns said:

You could argue the same thing happened to Gillard, and Turnbull. They've all been shackled by their parties at times and forced to tow the party line (often for strategic reasons). And it often comes across as disingenuous. When they (and other pollies who were not leaders) are allowed to speak their mind freely (which is rare), you can get "the real Julia." ;).

I guess it actually must be a terrifying responsibility, to have the weight of your nation's future resting on your minutely scrutinised every word and action.

So stressful,  and it would be difficult to act naturally, no doubt.

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4 minutes ago, marron said:

It happened with Shorten big time.

He was always pretty genial and genuine sounding on Q&A before he took over.

Yes...totally.

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10 minutes ago, Carns said:

You could argue the same thing happened to Gillard, and Turnbull. They've all been shackled by their parties at times and forced to tow the party line (often for strategic reasons). And it often comes across as disingenuous. When they (and other pollies who were not leaders) are allowed to speak their mind freely (which is rare), you can get "the real Julia." ;).

I find it hysterically funny and a touch ironic that now Turnbull is not PM, he is telling the party that dumped him because of CC, that they need a CC policy.....FMD! :rofl:

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Yep.

Everyone knew his opinion.

THen he was PM and dropped it.

Now he's not he's got the opinion back.

APPARENTLY though, the Liberal broad church don't go in for party lines and so on like Labor do.

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32 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

apparently the Australian believes in Climate Change now and always has done 

Like a born again Christian.

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5 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Glad you put it up. I thought I had but Optus was s*** house yesterday.

Here's another

Bridget McKenzie won't rule out using grants to target marginal seats https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/16/bridget-mckenzie-wont-rule-out-using-grants-to-target-marginal-seats?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard 

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1 hour ago, Paul01 said:

Glad you put it up. I thought I had but Optus was s*** house yesterday.

Here's another

Bridget McKenzie won't rule out using grants to target marginal seats https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/16/bridget-mckenzie-wont-rule-out-using-grants-to-target-marginal-seats?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard 

I have just watched this creature and she is a Liar. And not one mention of football.:xmad:

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1 hour ago, Paul01 said:

Glad you put it up. I thought I had but Optus was s*** house yesterday.

Here's another

Bridget McKenzie won't rule out using grants to target marginal seats https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/16/bridget-mckenzie-wont-rule-out-using-grants-to-target-marginal-seats?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard 

No wonder she describes it as "Highly Successful", they won the election so in that sense it was

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My mrs' uncle has been staying with us, he watches breakfast telly (this has been interesting in terms of watching the fires stuff actually and where the focus is), anyway they did this love piece in Julie Bishop and how she was the other day, followed by an interview about all the amazing work she is doing at some uni or other. Now I know why, PR before she stuck her snout in.

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These people lost their homes on New Years eve........this is response to Scott Morrison and the denial from conservatives for over the last decade or more...............

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6580719/i-lost-my-home-in-the-south-coast-bushfires-heres-what-id-say-to-the-pm/?cs=14246

People like me have repeatedly told you we don't have to sacrifice the economy if we leave coal in the ground. We have abundant renewable energy resources to drive industries which value-add to our raw materials like iron ore and bauxite before exporting them. But your mind is not open to exploring new economic options, and you and your colleagues are not courageous enough to take on the poisonous shock jocks and vested interests of our fractured media landscape.

Nevertheless, I have been petitioning, emailing and calling you and your colleagues for over a decade to tell you that to stabilise our climate we have to leave Australian coal underground and unburnt. When I have tried to say that by carefully and compassionately winding back the coal industry we can be a shining example to other countries, you have ridiculed me and proudly paraded a lump of coal in Parliament. 

You are deaf to the pleas of fire management experts, climate scientists, moderates, conservationists and ordinary folks. In a desperate attempt get you and your colleagues to grasp the seriousness of the situation the planet is facing, I even decided that non-violent civil disobedience was the only option left to me. I paddled onto Newcastle Harbour, the largest coal port in the world, with hundreds of kayakers in a symbolic closure of the port for one day. I sat down on the floor of Parliament House as part of the People's Parliament for action on climate change. Your party chose to trivialise the issue and to brand me as a criminal who needed to be handed increased penalties, including prison sentences.

And now, as long predicted, a massive bushfire is sweeping Australia. Like thousands of others, I stare at the smoking rubble that was once my family home. I am two parts shattered and three parts enraged. So don't tell me you understand me. You and your colleagues only understand your own limited narratives. Again, may your God grant you that elusive quality of humility that you may all hang your heads in shame. But may you also be granted the courage to finally act in accordance with the science for the sake of us all, including our unborn grandchildren.

May your home remain standing.

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Might be crazy...but...Class Action against the Liberal and National Parties...for inaction, obstruction, derelection of their responsibilities, failure of duty of care to entire communities????

Related to dismissing/disregarding expert advice on preparedness for these fires (see 7.30 item above).

I wonder if something like that is remotely possible?

Your heart goes out to these people, doesnt it.... :(:(

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Crocodile tears Malcolm......you voted to repeal the ETS........( which was working ).......... in 2014 alongside the person you knifed.....Abbott....you are just as complicit.......

https://7news.com.au/news/bushfires/malcolm-turnbull-blames-coalition-climate-deniers-for-his-downfall-as-pm-c-651751

"But in Australia, as in the US, this issue has been hijacked by a toxic, climate-denying alliance of right-wing politics and media (much of it owned by Rupert Murdoch), as well as vested business interests, especially in the coal industry."

"But a right-wing minority, supported by their allies in the media, sabotaged the bill and then brought down my government."

"Since then, the government has had no coherent, integrated climate and energy policy," he said.

 

A pity you didn't grow a pair and stand up to your party.......effing hilarious to come out now and say it wasn't you......even though you were the PM.......:rofl:

 

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Good that all this is being called out tho.

And, realistically, that toxic cohort of politicians and their media buddies has wielded ultimate power. 

They've won every battle,  really....until now....maybe.

It this isn't a turning point of some sort, I'm not sure what more it will take.

:(:(

PS Ray Hadley champing at the bit to get back to work, and set things straight for his listeners, apparently. :bad:

I wonder if they will ever get their claws off a proportion of the population,  and lose their influence?

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36 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Good that all this is being called out tho.

And, realistically, that toxic cohort of politicians and their media buddies has wielded ultimate power. 

They've won every battle,  really....until now....maybe.

It this isn't a turning point of some sort, I'm not sure what more it will take.

:(:(

PS Ray Hadley champing at the bit to get back to work, and set things straight for his listeners, apparently. :bad:

I wonder if they will ever get their claws off a proportion of the population,  and lose their influence?

At my age, I'm supposed to be part of their main audience. But from the few seconds I've accidentally listened, I can't stand them.

I expect as their audience gets even older they'll start to die off. Maybe that'll work?!

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