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Question... the government appoint an independent body to access needs... and they ask that body to rank them in order... the government say publicly they will follow the recommendations of their independent body... as always minsters have a last right of refusal or overrule... rarely applied.. 

The government then largely ignore the appointed independent body recommendations ..... 

The government then say all accepted applications met the requirements...

The minister then totally ignores the independent body they set up and makes its own chooses... 

Those chosen mostly happen to be in key marginal seats weeks out before an election.

The government claim as all applicants on the list met requirements and minsters can over rule the independent body they appointed they have broken no laws...

In a strictly legal sense that is correct... under parliamentary law ... but in the equity courts they would loose... 

Hand on heart, not the other thing, if you believe that is acceptable ministerial behaviour then I would be amazed .

BTW two laws have been broken...

Law 1..... The don't get caught law ...

Law 2 ... The law of unintended consequences ...   

There is a thing called public trust... and its hiding behind narrow rules that destroy peoples trust in government and when someone finally says something half decent no one believes them...

As an addition to the public trust debate .... take the CC argument being put forward ... essentially lets rely on an accounting adjustment the world except for us the USA, Brazil & Saudi Arabia agreed should change ... its like the kid at uni who says look the combined pass mark is 50, in the first assessment I got 90%, so I only need to get 10% in the second assessment...  

This is why we finish with a heap of small single issue parties ... the lack of trust in our three major parties is in free fall and things like the sports grants affair add greatly to that fall.

Only the last two paragraphs apply to this post the bit above was to be quoted but somehow the entire thing was quoted

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3 hours ago, Midfielder said:

 

Only the last two paragraphs apply to this post the bit above was to be quoted but somehow the entire thing was quoted

Geez Midfielder read this couple of times and now my head hurts.Can't figure out where statements end and quesstions begin.

But just a couple of quick perhaps relevant  points in regard to your post.

A recommendation is by definition a suggestion only , and can either be accepted or rejected.

A guideline is by definition a general rule only , and there is nothing mandatory about it.  

 

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The Australian reporting today that the Greens are voting in a "Radical left" leader

Wow, not even trying to be impartial at all

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3 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

The Australian reporting today that the Greens are voting in a "Radical left" leader

Wow, not even trying to be impartial at all

Would you expect them to be? :rolleyes:

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6 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

The Australian reporting today that the Greens are voting in a "Radical left" leader

Wow, not even trying to be impartial at all

The Australian thinks anyone who isn't a Tory is the second coming of Marx.

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3 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Would you expect them to be? :rolleyes:

It's News Corp, so no

But still I worry for lesser educated members of society who will take that as gospel truth. Surely the newspapers are meant to report only facts in a factual piece but nope.

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18 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

It's News Corp, so no

But still I worry for lesser educated members of society who will take that as gospel truth. Surely the newspapers are meant to report only facts in a factual piece but nope.

.....you still have much to learn young padawan......:D....Emperor Rupertine still lives.

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41 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

The Australian reporting today that the Greens are voting in a "Radical left" leader

Wow, not even trying to be impartial at all

He is part of the radical left. 
 

The big question for me is why he doesn’t own it.

What’s the problem?

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What makes the radical left so undesirable?

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i think anything radical is pretty undesirable tbh be it right or left but it doesnt have to just relate to politics, a radical christian or a radical atheist is just as bad

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Jesus Christ, a lot of shuffles in the government recently....

- Bridget McKenzie resigned (David Littleproud replacing her as deputy leader of the Nationals)
- Richard Di Natalie resigned (Adam Bandt will be the new Greens leader)
- "Mad Hatter" Bob Katter steps down of his own party (Katter's Australian Party). Looks like his son will be the leader now.
- Barnaby Joyce trying to get his old job back in as the Nationals leader (against Michael McCormack) and failed
- Matt Canavan resigns as Resources Minister

In a nutshell...who cares?

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6 hours ago, theseeker said:

Geez Midfielder read this couple of times and now my head hurts.Can't figure out where statements end and quesstions begin.

But just a couple of quick perhaps relevant  points in regard to your post.

A recommendation is by definition a suggestion only , and can either be accepted or rejected.

A guideline is by definition a general rule only , and there is nothing mandatory about it.  

 

You can't be serious ....  

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Scumbo's signature policy on everyone being a welfare cheat comg undone

Almost 10,000 people register as robodebt class action gains momentum https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/04/almost-10000-people-register-as-robodebt-class-action-gains-momentum?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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5 hours ago, Midfielder said:

You can't be serious ....  

Yes I can , whilst  the head hurt  you gave me was temporary , the pain in the arse is becoming permanent !

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43 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

Scumbo's signature policy on everyone being a welfare cheat comg undone

Almost 10,000 people register as robodebt class action gains momentum https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/04/almost-10000-people-register-as-robodebt-class-action-gains-momentum?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

If all the real spivs and welfare cheats had paid back Centrelink what they legitimately owe , wouldn't have been a problem in the first place would it.

For example people employed but claiming the dole. Billions of  your tax dollars rorted. Outrage over the Sports grants comparatively small amount. Where is the outrage over the welfare rorters. 

Pay you faarking debts thieves.

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5 minutes ago, theseeker said:

If all the real spivs and welfare cheats had paid back Centrelink what they legitimately owe , wouldn't have been a problem in the first place would it.

For example people employed but claiming the dole. Billions of  your tax dollars rorted. Outrage over the Sports grants comparatively small amount. Where is the outrage over the welfare rorters. 

Pay you faarking debts thieves.

Of the corporate sector paid their fair share of tax instead of evading/avoiding tax the country would have had surpluses for the last q5 years.

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7 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

Of the corporate sector paid their fair share of tax instead of evading/avoiding tax the country would have had surpluses for the last q5 years.

Nice piece of deflection on what we are talking about. So now your a tax expert. Tax them to the hilt , and when they go broke or move their operations to lower tax countries all the people they employ , who pay tax, won't have a job and will get the dole. Nice one. 

 

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9 hours ago, Legionista said:

He is part of the radical left. 
 

The big question for me is why he doesn’t own it.

What’s the problem?

He really isn’t that radical 

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23 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Nice piece of deflection on what we are talking about. So now your a tax expert. Tax them to the hilt , and when they go broke or move their operations to lower tax countries all the people they employ , who pay tax, won't have a job and will get the dole. Nice one. 

 

You really should lay off the sky after dark 

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44 minutes ago, theseeker said:

If all the real spivs and welfare cheats had paid back Centrelink what they legitimately owe , wouldn't have been a problem in the first place would it.

For example people employed but claiming the dole. Billions of  your tax dollars rorted. Outrage over the Sports grants comparatively small amount. Where is the outrage over the welfare rorters. 

Pay you faarking debts thieves.

Wow I know you get offended when I say loon, but that’s some right wing loon sky after dark, news Corp **** right there 

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9 hours ago, Legionista said:

What makes the radical left so undesirable?

Poor standards of personal hygiene? 

i don’t know you can say what you want about the Nazis but their uniforms where always very clean 

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25 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Nice piece of deflection on what we are talking about. So now your a tax expert. Tax them to the hilt , and when they go broke or move their operations to lower tax countries all the people they employ , who pay tax, won't have a job and will get the dole. Nice one. 

 

You don't deal with facts very well do you.....?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/ato-corporate-tax-transparency-data-companies-no-tax-paid/11789048

I take it by your response you are quite happy for all those small businesses that do pay tax and employ a lot of people to subsides corporates who pay no tax.......you may be actually one of those lefties you cry about......a closet socialist perhaps....?

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53 minutes ago, theseeker said:

If all the real spivs and welfare cheats had paid back Centrelink what they legitimately owe , wouldn't have been a problem in the first place would it.

For example people employed but claiming the dole. Billions of  your tax dollars rorted. Outrage over the Sports grants comparatively small amount. Where is the outrage over the welfare rorters. 

Pay you faarking debts thieves.

:rofl:

Tell you what.... you give me the stats on the tax dollars lost to welfare cheats and I’ll give you the stats on the tax dollars lost on Corporate tax evasion and then we’ll compare numbers. Fairs fair. :)

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10 hours ago, Legionista said:

He is part of the radical left. 
 

The big question for me is why he doesn’t own it.

What’s the problem?

He’s about as radical as Jack Johnson’s last album 

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2 minutes ago, Cynth said:

:rofl:

Tell you what.... you give me the stats on the tax dollars lost to welfare cheats and I’ll give you the stats on the tax dollars lost on Corporate tax evasion and then we’ll compare numbers. Fairs fair. :)

A bombshell report by the Australian Taxation Office has revealed one-third of the nation’s largest companies pay zero tax despite generating healthy profits.

A government crackdown in 2016 – known as the multinational anti-avoidance law, which included forcing technology multinationals to admit they do business in Australia – has seemingly had little impact on the situation, with approximately 32% of big companies still paying no tax in the 2017-18 financial year.

The startling figures were published in the ATO’s fifth annual report on corporate tax transparency released this week, which provides insights into the operation of the country’s corporate tax system and the tax affairs of its largest companies.

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Before you all set off on your high horses about who is the baddest at not paying tax, have a look at these:

https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Research-and-statistics/In-detail/Tax-gap/Small-business-income-tax-gap/

https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Research-and-statistics/In-detail/Tax-gap/Individuals-not-in-business-income-tax-gap/

https://www.ato.gov.au/About-ATO/Research-and-statistics/In-detail/Tax-gap/Large-corporate-groups-income-tax-gap/

In summary, the ATO estimates, based on 2016 figures, the tax gaps are:

- $11.1 bn for small businesses, a 12.5% shortfall

- $8.4 bn for individuals not in business, a 6.4% shortfall

- $2 bn for large corporations, a 4% shortfall

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1 hour ago, Cynth said:

:rofl:

Tell you what.... you give me the stats on the tax dollars lost to welfare cheats and I’ll give you the stats on the tax dollars lost on Corporate tax evasion and then we’ll compare numbers. Fairs fair. :)

No you give me all the statistics i'm not your research assistant . Not a valid comparison in any case. 

The  corporates employ people , who pay tax and spend their money in the economy. Who do the welfare rorters  employ , their local drug dealer ?

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2 hours ago, theseeker said:

If all the real spivs and welfare cheats had paid back Centrelink what they legitimately owe , wouldn't have been a problem in the first place would it.

For example people employed but claiming the dole. Billions of  your tax dollars rorted. Outrage over the Sports grants comparatively small amount. Where is the outrage over the welfare rorters. 

Pay you faarking debts thieves.

But the class action is against the government incorrectly demanding payment by guessing their income using averages rather than actually gathering evidence. Nothing to do with the people who cheat the system and doesn't excuse them of what they did.

Imagine if a police officer could go to an area where one percent of people have criminal convictions and randomly arrest one in every one hundred people based on the average, regardless of whether they've done anything wrong. By your logic he gets a pass because if other people didn't commit crimes it wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.

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3 hours ago, sonar said:

You don't deal with facts very well do you.....?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/ato-corporate-tax-transparency-data-companies-no-tax-paid/11789048

I take it by your response you are quite happy for all those small businesses that do pay tax and employ a lot of people to subsides corporates who pay no tax.......you may be actually one of those lefties you cry about......a closet socialist perhaps....?

It's always the ABC or the Guardian who are quoted , funny that.

Cry ? Closet Socialist ?

Newsflash , Socialism / Communism died and was buried in 1991 , remember Mr. Gorbachev and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Some are trying to resurrect the dead body such as the Watermelon Greens and a few other desperate groups you see at random demos. Carrying photos of Marx , Lenin , Trotsky and Che Guevara.

Some of those guys had good intentions in the beginning but it could never work and didn't. Check 1991 news. 

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