mack Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 My very middle of the road prediction I did earlier in the month was 12 NAT, 34 Libs, 3 IND, 1 SFF, 3 Greens, 40 Labor. This creates an LNP minority Government requiring the support of the SFF candidate (and possibly one of the Independents jumping side to get things for their electorate in exchange for a supply guarantee). Next likely result is a LNP outright Government on a very slim margin, followed by more SFF wins over the Nats requiring even more concessions. For Labor to have any chance with or without the Greens, they need Knob The Builder in Penrith to go down hard, and for it to be replicated across most of the state. EmMac 1 Link to comment
mack Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Wave bye bye to Daley, Libs will retain and probably do it on their own majority. My prediction looks short on LNP seats by a handful. Carns and tardotz 2 Link to comment
Cynth Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I’m not sure anyone said hello to Daley. mack and wendybr 2 Link to comment
Neverbloom Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 fraser anning does have a good point in a way, if muslims did not exist they would not be attacked, you cant be attacked if you do not exist sucks that ******* gladdy won though Daley isnt much better Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Was Daley really the best they could find as a leader? Link to comment
Hughesy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 22/03/2019 at 3:27 PM, ManfredSchaefer said: You can't separate the politics from the stadium and vice versa. After all, every stadium ever built has at some point been developed for or is part of a political construct. The Flavian Ampitheatre was constructed so as to ensure that those that lived in Rome were provided with a focus point/venue for mass entertainment whilst Vespasian and Titus saw it as a means to popularise and consolidate their prestige and power after they defeated Vitellius. The Berlin Olympic stadium was built so as to ensure that the Nazi regime could point to a structure that glorified their construct of Germany re-emerging from the destructive effects of the Versaiiles peace treaty and the Great Depression. The Montreal Olympic stadium was constructed as it was as part of the then mayor Jean Drapeau's desire to push the separateness and power of Quebecoise Montreal. Stadium politics are rarely just about the sport or sports they host, nor can then be treated in isolation, apart from other aspects of the relevant polity. The core political problems with the SFS is that the current state government has not displayed enough independence from the SCG Trust, with many of its members either being partisan ex-Liberal party members, supporters of the government or conservative media types, and that far more people are engaged with the current NSW problems of health, education, transport, the environment etc than those who are pro-demolition. I see what you’re saying but I don’t entirely agree. The stadiums you are speaking of are those of a national significance used for nationally significant events and games. ANZ fits this category most certainly and therefore yes there is an element of political posturing that’s to be expected. For smaller (and suburban) stadiums being used for domestic competition, regular season fixtures; these should be a given and should be in place without all the drama and scandal. For me these venues are just standard infrastructure that make up a city like any other common facility. We are a sport loving country after all arent we? In NSW (and many cities of Australia), every single stadium and/or facility is so heavily politicised which is a by product of the monopoly that is in place. Look at the drama over Parra, look at the drama about any suburban stadium. I don’t see political debates over the existence of the HAL, NRL, AFL etc so why have them over venues needed to play these competitions?... Every time the topic of a stadium comes up, it just shows how immature and insular Sydney still is as a city imo. We are so, so far behind every other first world country it’s embarrasing. I will concede that many overseas are privately funded but regardless, they are pumping out purpose built stadiums like a production line and their clubs are benefiting. Meanwhile in Australia we have countless clubs teetering on the edge of collapse because they are bled dry with stadium rental deals designed to try and pay off the costs of building these stadiums that are inappropriately big because politicians treat them as shrines to their ‘legacy’ rather than a part of every day life and leisure. If Sydney is serious about being one of the worlds greatest cities then we should definitely be able to spend money building stadiums as well as hospitals and schools. Our public infrastructure seems to be treated with the view that you can only have one or the other rather than what’s needed or of benefit. Life is not just about stadiums in the same way that it isn’t just about hospitals and schools. If the budget doesn’t enable them be funded concurrently, then perhaps the Government should stop trying to create this monopoly and incentivise private investment and construction of stadiums? Edinburgh, Wanderboy and Harvey 3 Link to comment
Legionista Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Hehehe. Next step keeping Shorten out. Edinburgh 1 Link to comment
thefairy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Daley taking from pauline hanson playbook with the 'Asian's takin our jobs' gimmick. lol you are about 25 years too late LOL wendybr 1 Link to comment
sonar Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Legionista said: Hehehe. Next step keeping Shorten out. 5o losing polls for the conservatives in a row says otherwise.......lol....perhaps you'd like to take a punt and name the seats the coalition will take off the opposition in the upcoming election...?...We have a minority LIB/Nat govt already. Edited March 23, 2019 by sonar Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 37 minutes ago, sonar said: 5o losing polls for the conservatives in a row says otherwise.......lol....perhaps you'd like to take a punt and name the seats the coalition will take off the opposition in the upcoming election...?...We have a minority LIB/Nat govt already. I’m not counting any chickens yet, we have just seen Mark Latham voted into the NSW senate If Morrison gets another term NZ is looking pretty good #nixmuststay sonar and Wobblies 2 Link to comment
Cynth Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Oh how awful. Latham back in politics. The state Labour Party were practically invisible until the stadium debacle and even after that I didn’t see that the campaign was any good. They have a way to go before they can govern anything. The federal Labour Party is a different story. wendybr 1 Link to comment
sonar Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cynth said: Oh how awful. Latham back in politics. The state Labour Party were practically invisible until the stadium debacle and even after that I didn’t see that the campaign was any good. They have a way to go before they can govern anything. The federal Labour Party is a different story. Absolutely correct. If you really want to know where the next fed election ends up just follow the bookies...... NEXT FEDERAL ELECTION Coalition $4.00 Labor $1.16 Australian Conservatives $101 One Nation $251 Greens $251 EmMac, wendybr and StringerBellend 3 Link to comment
Cynth Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Who would take odds on a party other than the major two taking government? Lol. sonar and wendybr 2 Link to comment
sonar Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 In the federal election you HAVE to use your preferences....ie number every square or the vote is informal.......... which is different to OPV in NSW. The figures below are from a political blog that specialises in polling analysis. The guy who runs it has an amazing track record in being correct. VOTES SWING COALITION 46.7% -3.6% LABOR 53.3% +3.6% Coalition 36.7% -5.3% Labor 37.9% +3.2% Greens 8.8% -1.4% One Nation 6.2% +4.9% SEATS CHANGE COALITION 55 -21 LABOR 90 +21 Others 6 +1 wendybr 1 Link to comment
MartinTyler Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 hours ago, StringerBellend said: Was Daley really the best they could find as a leader? Unfortunately...yes !! StringerBellend 1 Link to comment
marron Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I hate new stadiums. Our new one, as much as I am excited by the steep stands and... um... well, the steep stands, it's got nothing really. I'm glad the accessibility will be improved. The one sided wall of suits is actually a little bit cool because it at least gives it a little bit of personality, just, but it's still pretty bland. I like sport. But I like watching sport in places with character. And by character I don't mean franchised vendors selling overpriced hipster food. Having said that, I recognise that if you are building something new, character costs money. So there's that too. Fortunately a part of character is always the surrounds; it will be good walking through parra on gameday so that will hopefully be enough. Maybe the steep stands and everything will help it feel unique. wendybr 1 Link to comment
marron Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 hours ago, thefairy said: Daley taking from pauline hanson playbook with the 'Asian's takin our jobs' gimmick. lol you are about 25 years too late LOL Nekmimmit Anoulack Chanthivong pushes out Daley for the leadership position. Link to comment
ManfredSchaefer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 17 hours ago, hughsey said: If Sydney is serious about being one of the worlds greatest cities then we should definitely be able to spend money building stadiums as well as hospitals and schools. Our public infrastructure seems to be treated with the view that you can only have one or the other rather than what’s needed or of benefit. Life is not just about stadiums in the same way that it isn’t just about hospitals and schools. If the budget doesn’t enable them be funded concurrently, then perhaps the Government should stop trying to create this monopoly and incentivise private investment and construction of stadiums? I'm sorry but using stadia spending as some kind of criteria for marking Sydney as a great world city is hardly applicable, when compared and contrasted with the likes of New York, Paris, London, Berlin etc. These cities are great because they find a harmonious and even-handed view of recognising the value of art, culture, history, natural and built environment, food, music, sport, and overall quality of life. In this city we have shock jocks & pollies thinking that it's acceptable to promote the racing industry on the sails of the SOH, or knocking things down to help further the political careers of those the shock jocks endorse. Even bleak city south of the Murray River understand that, vis-a-vis they way they have incrementally redeveloped the MCG. As for how our public infrastructure is viewed, it's not about one (stadiums) being built at the cost of other things (hospitals, schools, museums, roads, train lines etc). The problem is that this government (which has got its way) has a track record of cutting back, diverting, stuffing up and/or overspending on public infrastructure, with policies that are overtly political and not necessarily driven for or by the public good. I'm open to being called a hypocrite on this, however Wanderland 2.0 arguably has been built for some public good, however there is a cost that many people have either no knowledge of or don't wish to see related to this investment, such as the destruction of vocational education, the lost income from the sale of public assets and the deregulation of land management. I would argue that a more balanced policy that delivers multiple outcomes for the public good should not and never need rely on the empty hucksterism of politicians and media commentators who are in truth more concerned with their public image and political power, as demonstrated in the Ayres/Jones flim-flam over the SFS. Finally, it seems rather ironic that a state government and various members of the right wing commentariat are all in favour of the government funding the SCG Trust's plans for the new stadium. Surely, based on their love on small government, reduced public expenditure and Private/Public Partnerships, why did the (re-elected) coalition state government ask for the Trust to take out a loan and act as their guarantor, or perhaps stipulated for a user pays finance model such as that which exists for transport and education? Why not ask for Transfield or a similar company to built it and have them negotiate with the Trust for reimbursement? EmMac and Wobblies 2 Link to comment
ManfredSchaefer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 This state is fooked. Dumb racist statement from Daley loses him votes whilst fringe right wing loons in the Shooters party grab seats in the bush. Latham & Leyenhjelm get into the Legislative Council, whilst in the local electorate RWFWs get over 12% of the vote. And Alan Jones will still be using his position of vile demagogue to bully and intimidate anyone who dares goes against his interests. Wobblies and Cynth 2 Link to comment
WestSyd Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) The problem with the left side of politics is that it has become entrenched with extremists who have developed a superiority complex. Much like the extreme right is a turn off, the extreme left has become the domain of those who become abusive and feral when people don't agree with them. You simply can't reason with them. The Liberals won because they had more substance to their policies (even if you disagree with it), and because this NSW Labor government is just plain hopeless. Also if Melbourne got this level of infrastructure investment, they would be rubbing it in our faces like they do with everything else. They have always bragged about their better stadiums, public transport and education systems. Yet when this government is building new things to start to overtake them, people from Sydney can't stop whinging about it. I personally think we should also build better art galleries, museums and theatres (even though this isn't really my thing) as well as stadiums and transport, because as Hughesy said above these are the things that makes cities great. The rest is up to the population to embrace these things and all of a sudden a city begins to develop a 'culture'. But deep down inside, sadly I think people living in Sydney just love a good whinge. Edited March 24, 2019 by WestSyd Hughesy, Midfielder, wendybr and 1 other 4 Link to comment
lloydy136 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Best part of saturday..... Seeing the nationals get hammered by the shooters, fishers and farmers in a couple of electorates and by a couple of independents in others. 20 years of selling out country people has finally hit home. It's about ******* time. StringerBellend and wendybr 2 Link to comment
ManfredSchaefer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, WestSyd said: The problem with the left side of politics is that it has become entrenched with extremists who have developed a superiority complex. Much like the extreme right is a turn off, the extreme left has become the domain of those who become abusive and feral when people don't agree with them. You simply can't reason with them. The Liberals won because they had more substance to their policies (even if you disagree with it), and because this NSW Labor government is just plain hopeless. Also if Melbourne got this level of infrastructure investment, they would be rubbing it in our faces like they do with everything else. They have always bragged about their better stadiums, public transport and education systems. Yet when this government is building new things to start to overtake them, people from Sydney can't stop whinging about it. I personally think we should also build better art galleries, museums and theatres (even though this isn't really my thing) as well as stadiums and transport, because as Hughesy said above these are the things that makes cities great. The rest is up to the population to embrace these things and all of a sudden a city begins to develop a 'culture'. But deep down inside, sadly I think people living in Sydney just love a good whinge. So who are these extreme leftists you are talking about? It's easy to throw labels, make accusations. However like talk of 'cultural Marxists' it means nothing unless you can name names and explain how they are positioning themselves accordingly? No one can fail to miss who the RWFWs are; they are the likes of Fraser Anning and Mark Latham, Blair Cottrell and Pauline Hanson. Alan Jones & Ross Cameron, Lyle Shelton & Cory Bernardi They fixate on marginalising people who don't fit their constructs of 'Australian-ness' (e.g. white, straight, climate change deniers, 'Christian' or 'Western' civilisation). These are the people who feed off bigotry, racism, and ignorance whilst ensuring that an inclusive society that values equity is demonised. Not attacking you West...just wanting you to give more information. Wobblies, EmMac and StringerBellend 3 Link to comment
ManfredSchaefer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, lloydy136 said: Best part of saturday..... Seeing the nationals get hammered by the shooters, fishers and farmers in a couple of electorates and by a couple of independents in others. 20 years of selling out country people has finally hit home. It's about ******* time. Just checked my old electorate (and I assume the one you might have voted in), Northern Tablelands. Can't believe there was a 7.6% swing to the Nationals candidate & the SFF candidate got 9.1% of the vote. There was a time (admittedly many years ago) it was an ALP seat. Obviously the Barnaby fans & even more conservative/right wing folk in places like Guyra, Uralla, Glen Innes, Moree are way more numerous than the more left of centre voters of Armidale. Link to comment
Wobblies Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, WestSyd said: the extreme left has become the domain of those who become abusive and feral when people don't agree with them. You simply can't reason with them. The Liberals won because they had more substance to their policies (even if you disagree with it), and because this NSW Labor government is just plain hopeless. What a load of bollocks...what extreme left are you talking about? And what's this NSW Labor Government are you talking about. You need to stop listening to Jones, Hadley, Bolt etc and stop reading or looking at pictures in the Telegraph. StringerBellend, EmMac and sonar 3 Link to comment
WestSyd Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ManfredSchaefer said: So who are these extreme leftists you are talking about? It's easy to throw labels, make accusations. However like talk of 'cultural Marxists' it means nothing unless you can name names and explain how they are positioning themselves accordingly? No one can fail to miss who the RWFWs are; they are the likes of Fraser Anning and Mark Latham, Blair Cottrell and Pauline Hanson. Alan Jones & Ross Cameron, Lyle Shelton & Cory Bernardi They fixate on marginalising people who don't fit their constructs of 'Australian-ness' (e.g. white, straight, climate change deniers, 'Christian' or 'Western' civilisation). These are the people who feed off bigotry, racism, and ignorance whilst ensuring that an inclusive society that values equity is demonised. Not attacking you West...just wanting you to give more information. Manfred, they are all over social media now. Just read the smh as well. I am actually more left leaning myself, but a lot of the way the left have conducted themselves just turns me off. I think Alan Jones (as much as I dislike him) made a good point on TV. Gladys was attacked in such a vile way on social media, but the fact that she wasn't a woman who leaned towards the left, meant she wasn't protected and her attackers were never called out. If you want an example, the smh and its writers are a good example. I do remember one of the sports writers who was a Sydney FC supporter showing an accused paedophile in his Wanderers jersey. It was done intentionally. Just some of the mud they tend to throw on people they don't like. wendybr 1 Link to comment
WestSyd Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ossified said: What a load of bollocks...what extreme left are you talking about? And what's this NSW Labor Government are you talking about. You need to stop listening to Jones, Hadley, Bolt etc and stop reading or looking at pictures in the Telegraph. You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. Link to comment
MartinTyler Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, WestSyd said: You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. Was that the smh who said that the Lib govt should be returned to office late last week? EmMac, ManfredSchaefer, Wobblies and 1 other 4 Link to comment
ManfredSchaefer Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, WestSyd said: You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. Liz Farrelly is hardly Trotsky, Lenin, Bakunin, Mao, Che Guevara etc etc. She doesn't call for the revolution of the industrial proletariat, the forced nationalisation of the country's resources, the breaking up of large agricultural estates and redistributing them to the rural poor. The only person who might be vaguely extreme left who was on the books of the SMH was Clementine Ford, but she is now (a) not there and (b) a feminist more than a leftist. As for the ABC, last time I looked Paul Barry, Barrie Cassidy and Tony Jones have hardly sung the Internationale whilst banning appearances from conservative personalities or allowing their opinions to be discussed. The extreme right is far more numerous, far more powerful than the so-called extreme left in Australian politics, media, society. Latham, Anning, Bernardi, Bolt, Leyenhjelm, Panahi, Cameron, the dick from the shooter's party, Lyle Shelton, Lachlan Murdoch, Clive Palmer, Miranda Devine...these are the men and women who have a daily and regular impact on how our nation is run, how we interact with each other, who demonise elements of our society based on race, creed, gender, sexual orientation. mack, Wobblies and EmMac 3 Link to comment
Wobblies Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 36 minutes ago, WestSyd said: just take a visit to the ABC or smh. Australians trust the ABC and distrust Facebook the most, a landmark new survey reveals. Conducted in May by Roy Morgan, the MEDIA Net Trust Survey reveals that while Facebook – and Social Media generally – is deeply distrusted in Australia, the ABC is by far the nation’s most trusted media organisation. Half of all Australians (47 per cent) distrust social media, compared to only 9 per cent who distrust the ABC. According to Roy Morgan CEO Michele Levine, trust is now firmly on corporate Australia’s agenda, “But distrust is the critical measure everyone’s ignoring,” she said. “The absence of the voices of distrust should be alarming every CEO and company director. “Distrust is where our deepest fears, pain, and betrayal surface – the shock of discovering we were foolish to trust too much. “And nowhere is that sense of betrayal more profound than in our media brands. “When we subtract distrust from trust to achieve a Net Trust Score or NTS, we reveal a minus NTS for the Australian media industry,” she said. “The banking industry has an NTS of minus 18 percent, compared to the media industry with an NTS of minus 7 per cent. So, while media industry is less toxic than banks, it is still in negative territory. Media category Net Trust Scores or NTS (distrust score subtracted from trust score): Social Media minus 42% Television minus 16% Newspapers minus 13% Internet minus 7% Magazines minus 4% Radio minus 2% After the ABC, SBS is Australia’s second most trusted media brand. Fairfax comes in third as the only other media brand with a positive NTS. SBS is also Australia’s most trusted commercial television network with an NTS of +5 per cent – well ahead of the other three commercial networks, all with an NTS of between minus 6 and minus 10 per cent. “Australians told us that their trust of the ABC is driven by its lack of bias and impartiality, quality journalism and ethics. While their distrust of Facebook and Social Media is driven by fake news, manipulated truth, false statistics and fake audience measurement.” EmMac, sonar and wendybr 3 Link to comment
wendybr Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, WestSyd said: You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. I don't think it's an extreme Left thing. It's a proportion of the Left that I think WestSyd is referring to - mainly young or youngish - and yes - those who are very active on social media. I don't see the ABC as extreme Left - but sure.... most there lean left. But they always offer other perspectives and voices. Link to comment
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