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17 hours ago, hughsey said:

 

If Sydney is serious about being one of the worlds greatest cities then we should definitely be able to spend money building stadiums as well as hospitals and schools. Our public infrastructure seems to be treated with the view that you can only have one or the other rather than what’s needed or of benefit. Life is not just about stadiums in the same way that it isn’t just about hospitals and schools. If the budget doesn’t enable them be funded concurrently, then perhaps the Government should stop trying to create this monopoly and incentivise private investment and construction of stadiums? 

I'm sorry but using stadia spending as some kind of criteria for marking Sydney as a great world city is hardly applicable, when compared and contrasted with the likes of New York, Paris, London, Berlin etc. These cities are great because they find a harmonious and even-handed view of recognising the value of art, culture, history, natural and built environment, food, music, sport, and overall quality of life. In this city we have shock jocks & pollies thinking that it's acceptable to promote the racing industry on the sails of the SOH, or knocking things down to help further the political careers of those the shock jocks endorse. Even bleak city south of the Murray River understand that, vis-a-vis they way they have incrementally redeveloped the MCG.

As for how our public infrastructure is viewed, it's not about one (stadiums) being built at the cost of other things (hospitals, schools, museums, roads, train lines etc). The problem is that this government (which has got its way) has a track record of cutting back, diverting, stuffing up and/or overspending on public infrastructure, with policies that are overtly political and not necessarily driven for or by the public good. I'm open to being called a hypocrite on this, however Wanderland 2.0 arguably has been built for some public good, however there is a cost that many people have either no knowledge of or don't wish to see related to this investment, such as the destruction of vocational education, the lost income from the sale of public assets and the deregulation of land management. I would argue that a more balanced policy that delivers multiple outcomes for the public good should not and never need rely on the empty hucksterism of politicians and media commentators who are in truth more concerned with their public image and political power, as demonstrated in the Ayres/Jones flim-flam over the SFS.

Finally, it seems rather ironic that a state government and various members of the right wing commentariat are all in favour of the government funding the SCG Trust's plans for the new stadium. Surely, based on their love on small government, reduced public expenditure and Private/Public Partnerships, why did the (re-elected) coalition state government ask for the Trust to take out a loan and act as their guarantor, or perhaps stipulated for a user pays finance model such as that which exists for transport and education? Why not ask for Transfield or a similar company to built it and have them negotiate with the Trust for reimbursement? 

 

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This state is fooked. Dumb racist statement from Daley loses him votes whilst fringe right wing loons in the Shooters party grab seats in the bush. Latham & Leyenhjelm get into the Legislative Council, whilst in the local electorate RWFWs get over 12% of the vote.

And Alan Jones will still be using his position of vile demagogue to bully and intimidate anyone who dares goes against his interests.

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The problem with the left side of politics is that it has become entrenched with extremists who have developed a superiority complex. Much like the extreme right is a turn off, the extreme left has become the domain of those who become abusive and feral when people don't agree with them. You simply can't reason with them. The Liberals won because they had more substance to their policies (even if you disagree with it), and because this NSW Labor government is just plain hopeless.

Also if Melbourne got this level of infrastructure investment, they would be rubbing it in our faces like they do with everything else. They have always bragged about their better stadiums, public transport and education systems. Yet when this government is building new things to start to overtake them, people from Sydney can't stop whinging about it. I personally think we should also build better art galleries, museums and theatres (even though this isn't really my thing) as well as stadiums and  transport, because as Hughesy said above these are the things that makes cities great.

The rest is up to the population to embrace these things and all of a sudden a city begins to develop a 'culture'. But deep down inside, sadly I think people living in Sydney just love a good whinge. 

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Best part of saturday.....

Seeing the nationals get hammered by the shooters, fishers and farmers in a couple of electorates and by a couple of independents in others.

20 years of selling out country people has finally hit home. It's about ******* time.

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10 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

The problem with the left side of politics is that it has become entrenched with extremists who have developed a superiority complex. Much like the extreme right is a turn off, the extreme left has become the domain of those who become abusive and feral when people don't agree with them. You simply can't reason with them. The Liberals won because they had more substance to their policies (even if you disagree with it), and because this NSW Labor government is just plain hopeless.

Also if Melbourne got this level of infrastructure investment, they would be rubbing it in our faces like they do with everything else. They have always bragged about their better stadiums, public transport and education systems. Yet when this government is building new things to start to overtake them, people from Sydney can't stop whinging about it. I personally think we should also build better art galleries, museums and theatres (even though this isn't really my thing) as well as stadiums and  transport, because as Hughesy said above these are the things that makes cities great.

The rest is up to the population to embrace these things and all of a sudden a city begins to develop a 'culture'. But deep down inside, sadly I think people living in Sydney just love a good whinge. 

So who are these extreme leftists you are talking about?

It's easy to throw labels, make accusations. However like talk of 'cultural Marxists' it means nothing unless you can name names and explain how they are positioning themselves accordingly?

No one can fail to miss who the RWFWs are; they are the likes of Fraser Anning and Mark Latham, Blair Cottrell and Pauline Hanson. Alan Jones & Ross Cameron, Lyle Shelton & Cory Bernardi They fixate on marginalising people who don't fit their constructs of 'Australian-ness' (e.g. white, straight, climate change deniers, 'Christian' or 'Western' civilisation). These are the people who feed off bigotry, racism, and ignorance whilst ensuring that an inclusive society that values equity is demonised.

Not attacking you West...just wanting you to give more information.

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10 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

Best part of saturday.....

Seeing the nationals get hammered by the shooters, fishers and farmers in a couple of electorates and by a couple of independents in others.

20 years of selling out country people has finally hit home. It's about ******* time.

Just checked my old electorate (and I assume the one you might have voted in), Northern Tablelands.

Can't believe there was a 7.6% swing to the Nationals candidate & the SFF candidate got 9.1% of the vote. There was a time (admittedly many years ago) it was an ALP seat. 

Obviously the Barnaby fans & even more conservative/right wing folk in places like Guyra, Uralla, Glen Innes, Moree are way more numerous than the more left of centre voters of Armidale.

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25 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

the extreme left has become the domain of those who become abusive and feral when people don't agree with them. You simply can't reason with them. The Liberals won because they had more substance to their policies (even if you disagree with it), and because this NSW Labor government is just plain hopeless.

What a load of bollocks...what extreme left are you talking about? And what's this NSW Labor Government are you talking about. You need to stop listening to Jones, Hadley, Bolt etc and stop reading or looking at pictures in the Telegraph.

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1 minute ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

So who are these extreme leftists you are talking about?

It's easy to throw labels, make accusations. However like talk of 'cultural Marxists' it means nothing unless you can name names and explain how they are positioning themselves accordingly?

No one can fail to miss who the RWFWs are; they are the likes of Fraser Anning and Mark Latham, Blair Cottrell and Pauline Hanson. Alan Jones & Ross Cameron, Lyle Shelton & Cory Bernardi They fixate on marginalising people who don't fit their constructs of 'Australian-ness' (e.g. white, straight, climate change deniers, 'Christian' or 'Western' civilisation). These are the people who feed off bigotry, racism, and ignorance whilst ensuring that an inclusive society that values equity is demonised.

Not attacking you West...just wanting you to give more information.

Manfred, they are all over social media now. Just read the smh as well. I am actually more left leaning myself, but a lot of the way the left have conducted themselves just turns me off. I think Alan Jones (as much as I dislike him) made a good point on TV. Gladys was attacked in such a vile way on social media, but the fact that she wasn't a woman who leaned towards the left, meant she wasn't protected and her attackers were never called out.

If you want an example, the smh and its writers are a good example. I do remember one of the sports writers who was a Sydney FC supporter showing an accused paedophile in his Wanderers jersey. It was done intentionally. Just some of the mud they tend to throw on people they don't like. 

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2 minutes ago, Ossified said:

What a load of bollocks...what extreme left are you talking about? And what's this NSW Labor Government are you talking about. You need to stop listening to Jones, Hadley, Bolt etc and stop reading or looking at pictures in the Telegraph.

You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. 

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16 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. 

Was that the smh who said that the Lib govt should be returned to office late last week?

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14 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. 

Liz Farrelly is hardly Trotsky, Lenin, Bakunin, Mao, Che Guevara etc etc. She doesn't call for the revolution of the industrial proletariat, the forced nationalisation of the country's resources, the breaking up of large agricultural estates and redistributing them to the rural poor. The only person who might be vaguely extreme left who was on the books of the SMH was Clementine Ford, but she is now (a) not there and (b) a feminist more than a leftist. As for the ABC, last time I looked Paul Barry, Barrie Cassidy and Tony Jones have hardly sung the Internationale whilst banning appearances from conservative personalities or allowing their opinions to be discussed.

The extreme right is far more numerous, far more powerful than the so-called extreme left in Australian politics, media, society. Latham, Anning, Bernardi, Bolt, Leyenhjelm, Panahi, Cameron, the dick from the shooter's party, Lyle Shelton, Lachlan Murdoch, Clive Palmer, Miranda Devine...these are the men and women who have a daily and regular impact on how our nation is run, how we interact with each other, who demonise elements of our society based on race, creed, gender, sexual orientation. 

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36 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

just take a visit to the ABC or smh. 

Australians trust the ABC and distrust Facebook the most, a landmark new survey reveals.

Conducted in May by Roy Morgan, the MEDIA Net Trust Survey reveals that while Facebook – and Social Media generally – is deeply distrusted in Australia, the ABC is by far the nation’s most trusted media organisation.

Half of all Australians (47 per cent) distrust social media, compared to only 9 per cent who distrust the ABC.

According to Roy Morgan CEO Michele Levine, trust is now firmly on corporate Australia’s agenda, “But distrust is the critical measure everyone’s ignoring,” she said.

“The absence of the voices of distrust should be alarming every CEO and company director.

“Distrust is where our deepest fears, pain, and betrayal surface – the shock of discovering we were foolish to trust too much.

“And nowhere is that sense of betrayal more profound than in our media brands.

“When we subtract distrust from trust to achieve a Net Trust Score or NTS, we reveal a minus NTS for the Australian media industry,” she said.

“The banking industry has an NTS of minus 18 percent, compared to the media industry with an NTS of minus 7 per cent. So, while media industry is less toxic than banks, it is still in negative territory.

Media category Net Trust Scores or NTS (distrust score subtracted from trust score):

Social Media     minus 42%

Television         minus 16%

Newspapers      minus 13%

Internet             minus 7%

Magazines        minus 4%

Radio               minus 2%

After the ABC, SBS is Australia’s second most trusted media brand. Fairfax comes in third as the only other media brand with a positive NTS.

SBS is also Australia’s most trusted commercial television network with an NTS of +5 per cent – well ahead of the other three commercial networks, all with an NTS of between minus 6 and minus 10 per cent.

“Australians told us that their trust of the ABC is driven by its lack of bias and impartiality, quality journalism and ethics. While their distrust of Facebook and Social Media is driven by fake news, manipulated truth, false statistics and fake audience measurement.”

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43 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

You honestly don't believe there is an extreme left? Look up Liz Farrelly, or just take a visit to the ABC or smh. 

I don't think it's an extreme Left thing.

It's a proportion of the Left that I think WestSyd is referring to - mainly young or youngish - and yes - those who are very active on social media.

I don't see the ABC as extreme Left - but sure.... most there lean left. But they always offer other perspectives and voices.

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100% there is an extreme left that exists. Just go and look through Pedestrian tv or Buzzfeed on Facebook. Their outrage knows no bounds. They’re one of the primary promoters of being offended by everyone and everything...

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5 minutes ago, hughsey said:

100% there is an extreme left that exists. Just go and look through Pedestrian tv or Buzzfeed on Facebook. Their outrage knows no bounds. They’re one of the primary promoters of being offended by everyone and everything...

As opposed to these guys?

https://www.facebook.com/BH.Australia/

Or these guys

https://www.facebook.com/AustraliansAgainstIslamAAI/

Or this guy?

https://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members/Parliamentarian?MPID=273829

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5 minutes ago, hughsey said:

100% there is an extreme left that exists. Just go and look through Pedestrian tv or Buzzfeed on Facebook. Their outrage knows no bounds. They’re one of the primary promoters of being offended by everyone and everything...

Yes - but it's nothing like the extreme left of old.

But it's what I've been talking about here.

2 minutes ago, mack said:

Until the socialist alliance starts getting elected to Parliament the idea that the far left has any influence beyond a peripheral section of the NSW Greens (who themselves have little influence overall) is laughable.

It's a different world. these guys are peripheral for sure.

What Goat, and WestSyd and Hughsey are talking about is totally different - but powerful. 

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5 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

Noone is suggesting these groups don't exist.

We saw a prime example a week ago in Christchurch. And those you refer to are real deal dangerous extremists.

 

That doesn't mean that the movements people here are referring to aren't prevalent....and aren't turning people off.

The two are  different in the scale and the damage they do - and it's far worse in the US I think.

But what's being pointed out is a phenomenon at the moment.

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3 hours ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

I'm sorry but using stadia spending as some kind of criteria for marking Sydney as a great world city is hardly applicable, when compared and contrasted with the likes of New York, Paris, London, Berlin etc. These cities are great because they find a harmonious and even-handed view of recognising the value of art, culture, history, natural and built environment, food, music, sport, and overall quality of life. In this city we have shock jocks & pollies thinking that it's acceptable to promote the racing industry on the sails of the SOH, or knocking things down to help further the political careers of those the shock jocks endorse. Even bleak city south of the Murray River understand that, vis-a-vis they way they have incrementally redeveloped the MCG.

As for how our public infrastructure is viewed, it's not about one (stadiums) being built at the cost of other things (hospitals, schools, museums, roads, train lines etc). The problem is that this government (which has got its way) has a track record of cutting back, diverting, stuffing up and/or overspending on public infrastructure, with policies that are overtly political and not necessarily driven for or by the public good. I'm open to being called a hypocrite on this, however Wanderland 2.0 arguably has been built for some public good, however there is a cost that many people have either no knowledge of or don't wish to see related to this investment, such as the destruction of vocational education, the lost income from the sale of public assets and the deregulation of land management. I would argue that a more balanced policy that delivers multiple outcomes for the public good should not and never need rely on the empty hucksterism of politicians and media commentators who are in truth more concerned with their public image and political power, as demonstrated in the Ayres/Jones flim-flam over the SFS.

Finally, it seems rather ironic that a state government and various members of the right wing commentariat are all in favour of the government funding the SCG Trust's plans for the new stadium. Surely, based on their love on small government, reduced public expenditure and Private/Public Partnerships, why did the (re-elected) coalition state government ask for the Trust to take out a loan and act as their guarantor, or perhaps stipulated for a user pays finance model such as that which exists for transport and education? Why not ask for Transfield or a similar company to built it and have them negotiate with the Trust for reimbursement? 

 

Coming back to the stadium talk:

No, stadia is not the sole defining criteria for making a city great but sport and it’s facilities certainly go a long way towards achieving that status. As someone mentioned earlier, it’s what formulates culture and in this country we pride ourselves heavily on sport and our love for consuming and participating in it. Yet for some reason in NSW we seem to do everything possible to stifle development of sporting facilities and venues.

Do you think that in NY, London, Paris etc that they are playing multiple games per week in the same venues that are too big, that have surfaces resembling cow paddocks with pieces of plastic cups and screws hidden amongst the grass because of concerts and festivals, that are 30+m from the games boundary markings? Not a chance. This is where Sydney is not even close to these cities.

Tell me the last time that you watched a top flight football game in Europe played on a pitch that didn’t look like a carpet. Now tell me the last time you saw that in Sydney... you’d struggle to go back more than a week! 

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This is going to sound ironic as it is being posted on a forum, but what the worst of social media has allowed is anonimity for people to be c****........ no matter where they stand politically....either from the ..left......centre..or...right. 

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We haven't had a true leftist government in this country since the Whitlam prime ministership, and he and the policies the ALP espoused or implemented back then were far more in line with the old Social Democrat construct of 'leftism'. A leftism that was based on using a vigorous compact between the federal legislature and a community that was engaged in developing social, cultural and political equity as well as advancement for the disadvantaged. As a result of their resounding failure (which included continual undermining from a younger Rupert Murdoch and his press) the ALP both federally and on a state by state example moved closer to the centre. Hence the roll-back (for example) of fee free tertiary education during the Hawke/Keating era.

What passes as 'leftism' now in the mainstream of political debate and power relationships is a pale shadow of what was. It has been gutted and turned into a loin cloth for those who feel any conscience over the excesses of a polity that has become focused on division versus unity, a fear of the other instead of a joint humanism.

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2 minutes ago, sonar said:

This is going to sound ironic as it is being posted on a forum, but what the worst of social media has allowed is anonimity for people to be c****........ no matter where they stand politically....either from the ..left......centre..or...right. 

I think what is even worse than that is that it’s turned many people into sheep. Social media often will take a political view and make it ‘trendy’ to believe or subscribe to it (intentional or otherwise). People who don’t care to educate themselves follow along with this because it’s simply seen as the thing to do. To me that is more of a problem for society. You can immediately tell when a person is a sheep because their arguments in a debate will usually involve things like: “it’s 2019 this shouldn’t be happening!” Or some form of baseless name calling and/or accusations.

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2 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

We haven't had a true leftist government in this country since the Whitlam prime ministership, and he and the policies the ALP espoused or implemented back then were far more in line with the old Social Democrat construct of 'leftism'. A leftism that was based on using a vigorous compact between the federal legislature and a community that was engaged in developing social, cultural and political equity as well as advancement for the disadvantaged. As a result of their resounding failure (which included continual undermining from a younger Rupert Murdoch and his press) the ALP both federally and on a state by state example moved closer to the centre. Hence the roll-back (for example) of fee free tertiary education during the Hawke/Keating era.

What passes as 'leftism' now in the mainstream of political debate and power relationships is a pale shadow of what was. It has been gutted and turned into a loin cloth for those who feel any conscience over the excesses of a polity that has become focused on division versus unity, a fear of the other instead of a joint humanism.

See that form of leftism is well before my time. I only know of the leftism that exists today. 

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about leftism in governments and relating to stadium policy; I was simply backing up West Syd’s statement he made about lefties and not being able to have a discussion with them.

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1 minute ago, hughsey said:

See that form of leftism is well before my time. I only know of the leftism that exists today. 

Just to clarify, I’m not talking about leftism in governments and relating to stadium policy; I was simply backing up West Syd’s statement he made about lefties and not being able to have a discussion with them.

I'm a leftist

We are having a discussion.

Perhaps you need to spend some time learning about some of the core constructs and beliefs of leftist politics, as developed and/or implemented Marx and Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, through to Lassalle, the Fabians, Friedrich Ebert, Keir Hardie, the IWW movement, the ALP and the DLP, Chomsky, Lacan, Habermas etc etc.

 

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59 minutes ago, hughsey said:

100% there is an extreme left that exists. Just go and look through Pedestrian tv or Buzzfeed on Facebook. Their outrage knows no bounds. They’re one of the primary promoters of being offended by everyone and everything...

The day Buzzfeed or equivalent runs the country we are ****ed. 

But they don't. 

Like mack said they have minimal impact on things. Except maybe on the number of people who use **** on the Internet to complain about how the world has gone mad and you can't say **** anymore. 

 

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2 minutes ago, marron said:

The day Buzzfeed or equivalent runs the country we are ****ed. 

But they don't. 

Like mack said they have minimal impact on things. Except maybe on the number of people who use **** on the Internet to complain about how the world has gone mad and you can't say **** anymore. 

 

There was a story I read a few days back (can't recall when and on which platform) that spoke of how the Federal Coalition have their parliamentary TVs tuned into Sky News, especially the 'after dark' mob like Credlin, Bolt, Panahi, Murray, Jones etc etc. The gist of the story was they were so hooked into the junk idea that these guys reflected how Australians thought, and that these pay TV demagogues were able to give them truthful insights into what mattered to their constituency.

Hence the not-so-slow push to a further right position than Menzies, Holt, Gorton, McMahon or Fraser would ever countenance.

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27 minutes ago, hughsey said:

I don’t even know how I got here. I came to talk about stadiums lol

Nice to see a new face or two...well,... you know what I mean! :D

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9 hours ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

Just checked my old electorate (and I assume the one you might have voted in), Northern Tablelands.

Can't believe there was a 7.6% swing to the Nationals candidate & the SFF candidate got 9.1% of the vote. There was a time (admittedly many years ago) it was an ALP seat. 

Obviously the Barnaby fans & even more conservative/right wing folk in places like Guyra, Uralla, Glen Innes, Moree are way more numerous than the more left of centre voters of Armidale.

The nats candidate in Armidale is very popular and focused on local issues- to his credit he is very active in the community. He has managed to avoid the general stain of the nats because the big failings (csg/mining, water etc) aren't as critical here.

The SFF guys are the big winners - they have totally revamped their image in country nsw from the gun nut party to the party who backs the interests of farmers - they ran succesful/popular farmers as candidates in most electorates and did really well - would expect trend to continue at federal election. People are looking for an actual country party not an arm of the mining/big cotton lobby that the nats have become.

Interesting times.

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