Australian Current Affairs Thread (not a Politics Thread) lol

[wendybr]

18 minutes ago, LeeMarvin said:

Kinda a cross over question here.  I once saw a photo of Sally McManus, the head of the ACTU in a Wanderers jersey.  Is she a genuine supporter or just doing the regular polly (Not a polly, I know) photo thing?

Pretty sure she was a regular at our games (maybe still is) - and that it was mentioned here when that photo circulated. But someone else will hopefully confirm that.

[sonar]

1 minute ago, wendybr said:

Pretty sure she was a regular at our games (maybe still is) - and that it was mentioned here when that photo circulated. But someone else will hopefully confirm that.

I'll send her a tweet and see if she replies.....lol

[LeeMarvin]

2 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Pretty sure she was a regular at our games (maybe still is) - and that it was mentioned here when that photo circulated. But someone else will hopefully confirm that.

Would have to be one of the highest profile supporters along with 'Dicko' then.  Is he still about?

[wendybr]

This article is a bit self congratulatory... but the main thing that resonated with me was the reference to the Beasley-Crean years (for those of you who remember them).

And THAT is exactly how having Albo in the leadership role would feel to me.

If Albo was considered 2nd best behind Shorten 6 years ago - the passing of time, and this election failure, wont necessarily mean that Albo should now be the top choice.

Time for the next generation to have a go.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-losing-the-unlosable-election-the-aftermath-for-labor/ar-AABBqc9?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

PS I'm not slacking at work today (I feel a bit guilty hanging out here) but I'm off sick.

Yesterday was a bit of an exception - but I don't usually participate here during a working day. 

[sonar]

22 minutes ago, wendybr said:

This article is a bit self congratulatory... but the main thing that resonated with me was the reference to the Beasley-Crean years (for those of you who remember them).

And THAT is exactly how having Albo in the leadership role would feel to me.

If Albo was considered 2nd best behind Shorten 6 years ago - the passing of time, and this election failure, wont necessarily mean that Albo should now be the top choice.

Time for the next generation to have a go.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-losing-the-unlosable-election-the-aftermath-for-labor/ar-AABBqc9?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

PS I'm not slacking at work today (I feel a bit guilty hanging out here) but I'm off sick.

Yesterday was a bit of an exception - but I don't usually participate here during a working day. 

wendy,,unfortunately the one clear message from the election is people do not like having money taken off them......ie franking credit, negative gearing etc. and the coalition tactics was Labor.......TAX TAX TAX .

As shallow as this sounds the only way the ALP will get back is to offer shitloads of $'s. regardless of the economic consequences. When you have a govt that intends to give billionare and millionares massive tax cuts into the tens of 0,000's per week even though that money would be better off in services what else do you do.

The people of the country voted for the coalition policies. When the cuts to services start I wonder who will scream the loudest.?

Edited May 21 by sonar

[Legionista]

Anyone moving to New Zealand?

[Legionista]

6 minutes ago, sonar said:

wendy,,unfortunately the one clear message from the election is people do not like having money taken off them......ie franking credit, negative gearing etc. and the coalition tactics was Labor.......TAX TAX TAX .

As shallow as this sounds the only way the ALP will get back is to offer shitloads of $'s. regardless of the economic consequences. When you have a govt that intends to give billionare and millionares massive tax cuts into the tens of 0,000's per week even though that money would be better off in services what else do you do.

The people of the country voted for the coalition policies. When the cuts to services start I wonder who will scream the loudest.?

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

[sonar]

12 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

legion, you and others may reject it as is your right...... but I guarantee you when the cuts to services happen,and they will, a majority of the very same people who voted for the coalition will scream blue murder. People can turn very quickly from one party to another if they think they are being shafted....ala Campbell Newman who blew an absolute whopper of a majority in Qld after one four year term.

Edited May 21 by sonar

[MartinTyler]

56 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

Building your own roads, schools and hospitals then?

[Legionista]

49 minutes ago, sonar said:

legion, you and others may reject it as is your right...... but I guarantee you when the cuts to services happen,and they will, a majority of the very same people who voted for the coalition will scream blue murder. People can turn very quickly from one party to another if they think they are being shafted....ala Campbell Newman who blew an absolute whopper of a majority in Qld after one four year term.

I don’t doubt that cutting government spending/services is electorally toxic. The wave of right wing populism gaining popularity worldwide has stayed well clear of savage cuts. 

Donald Trump is an example of this.

Doesn’t change the fact that it needs to be done. 

[LeeMarvin]

56 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

Legionista - I want to add to this but still trying to figure out what I am trying to say.

BTW, are you of Polish background?  I am guessing a lot of people's view on the role of government is informed by their own and their families' experiences in previous generations.  That will obviously vary greatly depending on where they come from and in what era.

[Legionista]

3 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

Building your own roads, schools and hospitals then?

Infrastructure is a difficult subject and one that I am open about the Government having a role in. 

[wendybr]

1 hour ago, Legionista said:

Some will although there are people who completely reject your idea of the role of government. 

I don’t want services from the government. 

I don’t need the government to subsidise my lifestyle.

If I want something, I go and get it.

 

 

15 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

Building your own roads, schools and hospitals then?

 

And fighter jets. tanks, submarines and border patrol ships, as well as pay for those who perform national defence services??

[Legionista]

Yes national defense is a neccesary evil. 

There is no way around it. 

[wendybr]

Just now, Legionista said:

Yes national defense is a neccesary evil. 

There is no way around it. 

So...other than the ABC - what do you take an axe to...in your ideal, libertarian world, Legia?

 

[Legionista]

14 minutes ago, LeeMarvin said:

Legionista - I want to add to this but still trying to figure out what I am trying to say.

BTW, are you of Polish background?  I am guessing a lot of people's view on the role of government is informed by their own and their families' experiences in previous generations.  That will obviously vary greatly depending on where they come from and in what era.

Yes I am and yes, my views are formed by experiences of my family. 

It was drilled into me what socialism/communism/fascism is and what it is not. Let’s pause here. Because first one must know what these terms mean. 

Not many do. 

[Legionista]

2 minutes ago, wendybr said:

So...other than the ABC - what do you take an axe to...in your ideal, libertarian world, Legia?

 

A lot. Can’t expand on that atm. I’m at work. 

[wendybr]

Just now, Legionista said:

A lot. Can’t expand on that atm. I’m at work. 

We'll be waiting here when you return to elaborate! 

[Legionista]

Just now, wendybr said:

We'll be waiting here when you return to elaborate! 

Do you think national defense is a neccesary evil?

What the play here? We just cut out spending in this area and China and Indonesia will just leave us alone?

[mack]

3 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Do you think national defense is a neccesary evil?

What the play here? We just cut out spending in this area and China and Indonesia will just leave us alone?

Statist, true national defense in a libertarian paradise is the people voluntarily deciding to come together to build and man warships and armies.

I don't want need a government to subsidise your "I don't like getting invaded" lifestyle.

If want to fight a Chinese invasion I go do it.

[LeeMarvin]

29 minutes ago, wendybr said:

We'll be waiting here when you return to elaborate!  

Geeze Wendy, that sounds kinda threatening...

[Legionista]

17 minutes ago, mack said:

Statist, true national defense in a libertarian paradise is the people voluntarily deciding to come together to build and man warships and armies.

I don't want need a government to subsidise your "I don't like getting invaded" lifestyle.

If want to fight a Chinese invasion I go do it.

I think there is little doubt that given the unlikely event that China would like a slice of this country you’d charge to the front line immediately. 

To bend a knee. 

[LeeMarvin]

7 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Do you think national defense is a neccesary evil?

What the play here? We just cut out spending in this area and China and Indonesia will just leave us alone?

I was going to say earlier that national security and diplomacy are the fundamental responsibilities of the state.  Beyond that, it is up for debate.

I believe, we have a problem with over reach at all levels of government in this country (Loony local councils are the worst!).  The state and those that suckle off its teat will continually seek to expand its power and consume more resources unless the populace push back against it.  Personal freedoms once lost are very hard to win back.

 

[wendybr]

36 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Do you think national defense is a neccesary evil?

What the play here? We just cut out spending in this area and China and Indonesia will just leave us alone?

Yes it's a necessary evil - but it's not the only priority in terms of defending the nation.

I think the likely ravages of climate change need to have resources available to "defend' our nation - and others.

[mack]

7 minutes ago, Legionista said:

I think there is little doubt that given the unlikely event that China would like a slice of this country you’d charge to the front line immediately. 

To bend a knee. 

What I do or do not do is none of your business in our libertarian paradise. If you want to go play army then you can fund that lifestyle yourself. Don't tread on me! Taxation is theft!

[Legionista]

1 minute ago, mack said:

What I do or do not do is none of your business in our libertarian paradise. If you want to go play army then you can fund that lifestyle yourself. Don't tread on me! Taxation is theft!

You’re like a drunk having a punch up with a hand dryer in a seedy toilet in Newtown. 

A fight about nothing.

Not after a libertarian paradise buddy. 

Keep raging.

[mack]

You're very quick on the personal attacks when you're losing an argument.

[LeeMarvin]

1 minute ago, wendybr said:

Yes it's a necessary evil - but it's not the only priority in terms of defending the nation.

I think the likely ravages of climate change need to have resources available to "defend' our nation - and others

What you are saying is in line with recent thinking on the definition of 'National Security' that has expanded from merely referring to defending the integrity of the nation state to encompass such things as adequate supplies of clean food, water, air and other environmental factors.  We also have the added complexity of a greater degree of global interdependence now than any other time in history.  

[LeeMarvin]

Wow, this is starting to feel like an episode of 'The Young Ones' in here! 

[Flytox]

2 hours ago, wendybr said:

This article is a bit self congratulatory... but the main thing that resonated with me was the reference to the Beasley-Crean years (for those of you who remember them).

And THAT is exactly how having Albo in the leadership role would feel to me.

If Albo was considered 2nd best behind Shorten 6 years ago - the passing of time, and this election failure, wont necessarily mean that Albo should now be the top choice.

Time for the next generation to have a go.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/comment-losing-the-unlosable-election-the-aftermath-for-labor/ar-AABBqc9?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

PS I'm not slacking at work today (I feel a bit guilty hanging out here) but I'm off sick.

Yesterday was a bit of an exception - but I don't usually participate here during a working day. 

The alternative to Albo at the moment is Mr If you don't like what we propose don't vote for Labor Bowen.  Isn't his economic plan what has just been rejected by the voters in every state other than Victoria and South Australia so how would he fare over the next 3 years?