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25 minutes ago, Carns said:

I'm not a fan of either the dogs or horses. But there are "genuine animal lovers" in both industries. Not everyone involved is in it to purely exploit animals.

They're fooling themselves....seriously... and they ARE exploiting animals.

They just are.

They might never mistreat their animals, but the lives of these creatures is unnatural in the extreme, and is taylored to suit providing an income for people.

In addition,  the participation of these "animal lovers" in industries that plainly  have a dark side, because they are all about making money, means they are still facilitating animal cruelty, even if they don't perpetrate it.

 

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14 minutes ago, marron said:

I agree Carns.

However, I find it very difficult to believe that anyone who is involved in such an industry would not be aware of the bad stuff; and if you're not exposing the bad stuff, and you are helping the industry to continue to make money by contributing to it, personally I think you're part of the problem, animal welfare caring or no.

And to be honest I still have a hard time understanding how an animal lover can put it at risk of a quick bullet for a broken leg doing something it doesn't need to do.

 

100% to this.

It isn't consistent with being an animal lover to use a "much loved" horse in a way that risks its life, as you say.

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36 minutes ago, Neverbloom said:

a few years back i worked at the horse racing, like most people who was there i didnt actually see any horses because no one gives a **** about the horses they just want to get drunk and wear stupid hats but even just working there i felt bad about it

You have a good heart,  Goat, as we know.

I hope every person who wants to contribute to the millions raked in by those involved in this industry, even if it's just on Melbourne Cup day, stop and think about what they are contributing to.

And for those tottering about in their glamorous outfits at the races, I hope there is a pang of conscience when they learn of this.

At least it's out in the open now....and many people committed to the industry in one way or another will surely be upset about it, and demand change.

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4 hours ago, wendybr said:

You have a good heart,  Goat, as we know.

I hope every person who wants to contribute to the millions raked in by those involved in this industry, even if it's just on Melbourne Cup day, stop and think about what they are contributing to.

And for those tottering about in their glamorous outfits at the races, I hope there is a pang of conscience when they learn of this.

At least it's out in the open now....and many people committed to the industry in one way or another will surely be upset about it, and demand change.

thank you honestly i do have 5 horses but i never been too fond of horses, dont get me wrong its not like i dislike them or anything but i never spent much time with them, i still somewhat have a fear of them due to how big they are/how much damage they could do, much more passionate dogs but still love all animals, if what has been revealed can even save one horse then that will be a small victory, sadly money talks though

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Wen

All professional animal racing is designed to support gambling ....

Don't get me started on gambling.... it ruins so many lives ...

I have had a couple of clients who lost life savings via pokies .... 

But akin to the NRA in the states, the influence they have world over, not just Australia, IMO is up there with the smokes, ...

 

 

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I have low expectations that anything will change...but I hope that, at the very least, the Queensland abbatoir is investigated in terms of violations to animal welfare legislation.

I hope anyone who even bets once a year on the Melbourne Cup checks out the 7.30 program, to fully understand the industry they are encouraging, on it's most celebrated and profitable day of the year.

I hope that people who buy into race horse ownership or work anywhere in that industry, watch the program to understand what they are fostering.  An industry where 7000 goals are brought into the world, and most will become "wastage", sooner or later, and disposed of like garbage. Probably sooner rather than later.

I hope genuine people in the industry seriously call for improvements to its dark side, and force it to drop the hypocritical "we will ensure their welfare" bullshit.

I hope never to hear it referred to as the sport of kings, or have a conversation about anything to do with racing, with anyone, without expressing my disgust at what I saw in that show.

I hope there is appropriate Karma waiting for the brutish people who torment and terrify those animals, and for those higher up, who right now are in the process of shifting or minimising the blame for the suffering of those horses.

I hope animal welfare groups gained 1000s of new of supporters and donations.

I hope some people, heavily or minimally involved in the industry, walk away.

I hope the individuals who were exposed to what was filmed are able to come to terms with what they saw...it traumatised me. I'm not sure how you'd cope with knowing that this happens day in day out.

IDK...there's probably more I could wish for.

Until animals are less seen as commodities for humans to treat as they please, it will continue to cause incalculate suffering, and it diminishes us.

I hope that that will change...one day.

Rant over.

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Watching Offsiders...as I do other things.

The treatment of the "wastage" of the racing industry were given a couple of minutes of crocodile tears, then the priorities of this 9 billion dollar industry came to the fore.

Predictble.

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1 hour ago, wendybr said:

Watching Offsiders...as I do other things.

The treatment of the "wastage" of the racing industry were given a couple of minutes of crocodile tears, then the priorities of this 9 billion dollar industry came to the fore.

Predictble.

Surely it is free speech

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5 hours ago, wendybr said:

Watching Offsiders...as I do other things.

The treatment of the "wastage" of the racing industry were given a couple of minutes of crocodile tears, then the priorities of this 9 billion dollar industry came to the fore.

Predictble.

i have a feeling that gerard whateley has sex with horses given how hard he obsesses over them so if it was him hosting of course the cruelty would be ignored

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On 20/10/2019 at 4:25 PM, wendybr said:

Dont know who 2 of them were...but it was footage of a number of people expressing their genuine sorrow (Bruce Macavenny (sp??) being one of them...and then...business as usual. The Everest, Syd Melb rivalries and all smiles.

 

its pretty pathetic tbh

 

on a different topic its actually quite disturbing that if the government want your house then there isnt much you can do about it

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32 minutes ago, Neverbloom said:

on a different topic its actually quite disturbing that if the government want your house then there isnt much you can do about it

Compulsory acquisition. It's basically a way for the Gov to take your house "for the greater good" i.e. for big infrastructure projects.

I've had personal experience with it. My folks had to get our house heritage listed in order to save it from being acquired and demolished for a major road project.

It's shitty, but the homeowners are compensated for it. The difficult task is getting "your moneys worth" for your home. You've got to fight them tooth and nail for everything. They want to acquire the property as cheaply as they can, and it is up to you to dig your heels in to hold out for the best deal possible. It really sucks when it happens, and no monetary value is the equivalent of taking someone's home literally out from under them.

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A bit of cross-pollination from the other thread I saw you comment on, they're definitely taking the speedway (at least at the moment) for the new rail project. Which sucks, I spent many an evening there as a kid. But, it's for "the greater good". Do you take the speedway, or 30 homes? Neither is ideal.

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6 minutes ago, Carns said:

Compulsory acquisition. It's basically a way for the Gov to take your house "for the greater good" i.e. for big infrastructure projects.

I've had personal experience with it. My folks had to get our house heritage listed in order to save it from being acquired and demolished for a major road project.

It's shitty, but the homeowners are compensated for it. The difficult task is getting "your moneys worth" for your home. You've got to fight them tooth and nail for everything. They want to acquire the property as cheaply as they can, and it is up to you to dig your heels in to hold out for the best deal possible. It really sucks when it happens, and no monetary value is the equivalent of taking someone's home literally out from under them.

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A bit of cross-pollination from the other thread I saw you comment on, they're definitely taking the speedway (at least at the moment) for the new rail project. Which sucks, I spent many an evening there as a kid. But, it's for "the greater good". Do you take the speedway, or 30 homes? Neither is ideal.

that is a good point honestly i am not too passionate about the speedway i mean i do understand they do give the people money so its not like they just steal it without paying anything but if someone has spent their entire life building their home and making it perfect for them to have the government just decide its going to be demolished wouldnt be fun

 

i do agree with you that the speedway is less important than people's houses, at the end of the day its difficult but i do believe that in general if the government(any government) is planning a new infrastructure project usually they are not planned out the best because they just want to be seen as doing something and dont care if its actually any good

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27 minutes ago, Neverbloom said:

that is a good point honestly i am not too passionate about the speedway i mean i do understand they do give the people money so its not like they just steal it without paying anything but if someone has spent their entire life building their home and making it perfect for them to have the government just decide its going to be demolished wouldnt be fun

 

i do agree with you that the speedway is less important than people's houses, at the end of the day its difficult but i do believe that in general if the government(any government) is planning a new infrastructure project usually they are not planned out the best because they just want to be seen as doing something and dont care if its actually any good

FYI I am not defending the decision at all. It would just be an easier one for a bean counter to make than a bunch of people's homes. Mind you, the sprint car fans are pretty tribal and have been using the speedway for a very long time and would be rightly pissed off. It is the only venue of its type in Sydney that I am aware of. Just Googled and the Gov has said they'll rebuild it, no idea where though.

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2 minutes ago, Carns said:

FYI I am not defending the decision at all. It would just be an easier one for a bean counter to make than a bunch of people's homes. Mind you, the sprint car fans are pretty parochial and have been using the speedway for a very long fan and would be rightly pissed off. It is the only venue of its type in Sydney that I am aware of. Just Googled and the Gov has said they'll rebuild it, no idea where though.

i know what you mean i didnt think you were defending the decision but you give it context which helps, i think they want to put it around sydney motorsport park in eastern creek but eastern creek has horrible public transport so i dont think that is a fantastic idea, at least with its current location its a pretty short walk away from a train station

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13 minutes ago, hawks2767 said:

It'll be Eastern Creek for sure.

A lot of history at Granville, I'd recommend watching Midnight Spares for a trip down nostalgia lane.

All Motorsport in the one spot just makes sense.

i get that but give us a fricken train station somewhere close to the speedway

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Wendy, you've known me for a few years now. I would hope that you've dealt with me enough to know I'm a good person with good morals that will fight for what's right.

I worked in the greyhound industry and you basically inferred above that I couldn't be a good person because I did. I also don't think it's fair to label people such as myself as hypocritical or exploitative. 

I abhor what happened in the greyhounds and it made me sick to my stomach. I also think what is happening in the horses is terrible too. 

We genuinely tried to fix up the industry tried to implement as many of parliamentary inquiry recommendations as we could. I think many people involved realised we had failed on several levels and needed to do much better. Millions of dollars was funneled into integrity and welfare and dozens of people in law enforcement, regulation and veterinary science were employed to bring things up to standard.  

We did all of this while receiving death threats and personal abuse from "animal activists". This was so serious, we had to have security posted on our office doors for weeks and needed to be escorted to our cars. How is that acceptable Wendy?

On 17/10/2019 at 9:24 PM, Carns said:

I'm not a fan of either the dogs or horses. But there are "genuine animal lovers" in both industries. Not everyone involved is in it to purely exploit animals.

Again, not something I'm involved with, or even support. But to assume everyone involved in the industry doesn't care about animal welfare, is painting all with the same brush (and I am not a fan of any form of animal racing).

Thanks Carns. I don't think it's fair everyone involved in the industry is instantly demonised because of where they work. Anyone who knows me, knows that I am a huge animal lover. I cry when my fish die, I hate seeing any animal in pain and I even try and catch bugs and release them from my house instead of killing them. 

There was multiple times when I saw a dog injured at the track or heard one had been put down and it broke my heart every single time. I followed up with the trainers nearly every time to check on it and see how it was going. 

In the end, I worked in the industry because I needed a job. I tried to have a positive influence where I could including a lot of pro bono work for the adoption arm of the organisation. You can sure as hell be certain that if I knew of something going on, I would have spoken up. I met so many kind people who absolutely genuinely loved their dogs. In a couple of cases, the dogs lived better than the humans. I can't say that of everyone in the industry, but a significant number of the people I interacted with did.

One of the ones that sticks out to me is video that I did with a trainer named Mark Swift. He was a hobby trainer and had one dog - Smart Valentino - who was fairly successful. He passed away due to a spider bite at the height of his success and just devastated Mark. Watch this video below and tell me that this guy didn't love his dog. Watch from the 4min mark in particular. 

 

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