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Babbel Sackwatch Thread 2


Babble Sackwatch Vote 2  

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  1. 1. Should WSW Sack Babbel

    • Yes, sack him.
      51
    • No, do not sack him.
      13

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38 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

Actually we went from Cox (unreleased by his club in pre-season) to Meier (via who knows who else) back to Cox who has now been released.  Babbel said he was the target pre-season abut the club wouldn't let him go. He's now available, wanted to come then and eager now.  I don't think this is knee-jerk reaction.  Also said he can play 9 or 10 but wants to score.  I guess we will see.  He's certainly more mobile and a very different style to Meier, so there will be a difference...

Ah OK

Well if this is Babbel’s true first choice then I am very interested to see how he goes 

I watched the highlights and it seems he has been able to make a yard of space in the box to get a shot away

I’m a bit skeptical but let’s hope it goes well

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Brutal doesn’t even give this review the justice on our half season 

Ouch:cheeky:

8. Western Sydney Wanderers

As a negative example to Wellington's positive -- with respect to the tactical parameters squad composition can set for a coach -- Western Sydney have not been thoughtfully assembled this season. Yet, the Wanderers casted last season aside to focus on this one, in a new stadium. It is difficult to truly quantify Markus Babbel's influence in this aspect, but the only option now is to go full Pace and Power. All things considered, the Wanderers suffer from both recruitment and the fact they are the worst coached team in the A-League. We are only a fortnight into 2020, and Australian football already has a candidate for worst team of the decade.

Whether Radoslaw Majewski went down with a knee injury or not on the eve of the season, this was inevitable. That the Wanderers even have 14 points at this stage is a mystery that will remain unsolved until the end of days. Such basic footballing concepts and positional tasks are left ignored on a weekly basis, across the pitch, and that is not simply down to individual player quality, incompatibility or effort.

Comically bad but as Babbel has made sure to point out, there's no promotion and relegation


https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4034356/a-league-midseason-review-sydney-fc-and-melbourne-city-lead-the-pack

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8 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

Ante Jukic said the the same on a pod this week on FNR

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I agree that we suck this season, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that the team coming 8th out of 11 and the only team to beat the side that has "unquestionably been the A-League's strongest team so far this season" is also the "candidate for worst team of the decade".

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9th place ladies and gentlemen... 9th place.

With a Brisbane win, we slide further towards the spoon. Central coast will likely pass us in the next 2 weeks as they have a game in hand. They could well pass us tomorrow even before getting their catch up game in.

At this point I can only assume the 15 people that voted ‘no’ we’re very drunk and miss clicked... or they’re the same kind of person who drip hot wax on their scrotum for pleasure

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On 12/01/2020 at 2:46 PM, lloydy136 said:

i really do think that it is a good time to put in a local manager who will be at the head of a long term project to bring through the academy players that we have at the club. Instead of chopping and changing year to year - put someone in - preferably a young manager rather than a re-tread like merrick - and tell the fans it is a 3 year project to rebuild and repair the mess created by annual (and often even twice a year) squad cleanouts over the past few years rather than mislead fans and claim we are aiming for top two when it is obvious we are nowhere near. keep the senior players who actually give a stuff (duke, georgievski, sullivan) & extend their deals for the 3 years.

I know he is inexperienced but someone like Luke Wilkshire is worth considering. Doing a great job at the wolves, ex-socceroo with contacts pretty far and wide to recruit players and someone who understood the game as a player and got the absolute most out of his ability (the sort of player that usually makes the best coach).

We need a long term vision here rather than a splashy quick fix appointment to try to win the press conference - no matter who we bring in, the issues at the club aren't going to be fixed overnight.

You mean someone like - 

Ange, Muscat, Arnie, Popa, Corica, Milicic, Stajcic, Talay & Rudan in recent years, just to name a few.

I sense a trend #ShopLocal

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8 hours ago, Upthehill said:

9th place ladies and gentlemen... 9th place.

With a Brisbane win, we slide further towards the spoon. Central coast will likely pass us in the next 2 weeks as they have a game in hand. They could well pass us tomorrow even before getting their catch up game in.

At this point I can only assume the 15 people that voted ‘no’ we’re very drunk and miss clicked... or they’re the same kind of person who drip hot wax on their scrotum for pleasure

Heyyyy...Why has Mack closed the poll??

I still haven't voted! :P

 

:lol::lol:

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9 hours ago, Upthehill said:

9th place ladies and gentlemen... 9th place.

Maybe our bad karma will have been balanced out when we do actually get all the way to the spoon...

:unknw:

 

OK I'll see myself out!

:D:D

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I honestly can't see Babbel surviving if we lose to Perth Glory this weekend. Its an absolutely massive game for us as a club and the impact it will have on our direction. Perth is playing well so its going to be an uphill battle, I can't see us winning this game.

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34 minutes ago, Jukes01 said:

I honestly can't see Babbel surviving if we lose to Perth Glory this weekend. Its an absolutely massive game for us as a club and the impact it will have on our direction. Perth is playing well so its going to be an uphill battle, I can't see us winning this game.

Nah, the next game after Perth is against a certain 11th placed Mariners 

If we lose to them, bye bye Babbel. Simple. Also the reason I said keep Babbel for now - I can begrudge a loss to Perth because they’re going well (although Brisbane somehow beat Wellington).

If we lose to the CCM and drop to last then that’ll be the last straw for me and I think the board - especially as Cox will have been here for two weeks by then and would’ve had the bye to prepare

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3 hours ago, wendybr said:

Heyyyy...Why has Mack closed the poll??

I still haven't voted! :P

 

:lol::lol:

You miss every ******* poll lol You spend most of your time slaming Babbel and his mannerisms only to tell us you have never voted out on him and that you miss every poll :rolleyes: :P

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13 hours ago, Upthehill said:

At this point I can only assume the 15 people that voted ‘no’ we’re very drunk and miss clicked... or they’re the same kind of person who drip hot wax on their scrotum for pleasure

I must admit that I am in the Wendy camp, haven’t voted!

I am in the camp that sacking Babbel without a plan going forward isn’t a plan.

Does someone want to post the Vince Rugari piece from the smh today (paywalled)

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Lost Wanderers: Western Sydney’s homecoming spirals out of control

By Vince Rugari

"The truth is on the pitch," said Markus Babbel on Friday, two days out from a match that has the potential to end his stormy tenure as Western Sydney Wanderers coach.

It's an illuminating phrase, worthy of further consideration.

If what the Wanderers have produced for 90 minutes each weekend since since Babbel joined the club is the truth, he ought to buy a lottery ticket. Because no manager in the history of the A-League has been so fortunate to keep his job in the face of such damning evidence.

Markus Babbel has coached Western Sydney to just 10 wins from 40 A-League matches.CREDIT:JAMES ALCOCK

This was supposed to be the season Western Sydney roared back to life. With three painful years of homelessness ended by a new stadium, and with new state-of-the-art training facilities to match, everyone agreed the excuses were gone. It was time to deliver.

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"We're back, baby," declared chief executive John Tsatsimas back in July as they prepared to welcome Leeds United for a glamour friendly at Bankwest Stadium. "Mark my words: Markus and the team will be making a statement this year."

For a short while, it seemed Tsatsimas' prediction might actually come true. Wanderers spent the first four weeks of the season in the top two on the ladder – and after a lucky but gritty 1-0 win over Sydney FC, they were in first place. The football itself was uninspiring, but the results were there. If the mark of a good team is to win while playing badly, the expectation was that their performances would sharply improve.

Since the derby, Western Sydney have won just one game, drawn two and lost six. Allegations have emerged – which have been denied by the club –that Babbel's assistant, Jean-Paul de Marigny, has been working behind the scenes to undermine him. Their star midfielder, Olyroo Keanu Baccus, wants out. Despite the best attempts from players to put on a brave front, it is not a happy camp.

'For a club like this, from where we started, the culture, the supporter base, the belief, the respect ... it just seems to have faded away.'

Wanderers legend Ante Covic

All this pressure has weighed significantly on Babbel, whose frustrations have repeatedly boiled over amid an almost comical run of VAR interventions, prompting FFA to twice sanctioning him for swearing during press conferences.

Babbel was given the resources to shape his squad to his liking in his second campaign at the helm. Having spent the fifth most of any team in the A-League this season, on paper, they look good. Much better than this, at least.

But Babbel has brought them no closer to establishing a discernible style of play, chopping and changing his personnel and structure on an all-too-regular basis.

"There doesn't seem to be a clear vision of the way they want to play," says Ante Covic, the hero of their famous 2014 AFC Champions League triumph. "It does feel disjointed. There's changes here and there, but what are the changes for? Where's the base they started from?"

Western Sydney's 2014 AFC Champions League win feels like a lifetime ago.CREDIT:REUTERS

Babbel often blames his players for straying from his blueprint, at one stage slamming them for "freestyling" in attack. That doesn't wash with Covic, from his experience with successful coaches who possess a clarity of purpose that is woven into the fabric of the team.

"It's a year in," Covic says. "There's one person in charge ... it's your job to portray that to the players and give them full understanding. Under Popa [foundation coach Tony Popovic], we knew exactly what he wanted and you do not deviate from that. If things don't go well, you keep going at it, because it's going to come."

Alex Meier's short stint at Western Sydney will not be remembered fondly by supporters.

This week, Babbel severed ties with marquee player Alex Meier, the so-called "fussballgott" from Germany who turned out to be more dud than deity, having tried and failed to adapt his lanky 37-year-old frame to the unique demands of the A-League.

"Off the pitch, you couldn't fault the guy," says captain Mitchell Duke of Meier, who was supposed to be his strike partner. "But, unfortunately, we needed the job done a bit more on the pitch, and I think he himself also realised he just doesn't have it quite as much as he used to.

"I wish him all the best, but it was a good decision for us to move forward."

Babbel has steered the Wanderers to a total of 10 wins in his 40 A-League games in charge. He still believes this season can be salvaged, pointing to the fact that they're only three points adrift of the top six, and insists he is the man to do it. But it pains ex-players such as Covic to see how low Western Sydney's ambitions have fallen.

"That's not really where Western Sydney Wanderers should ever be placing themselves," he says. "But we've been through quite a bit over the last few years and that's become the norm, scraping into the six. It should be unacceptable.

"For a club like this, from where we started, the culture, the supporter base, the belief, the respect as a club ... it just seems to have faded away. There's just something missing."

The team's malaise has broader implications. Western Sydney is supposed to be one of the A-League's flagship clubs and a major contributor to off-field metrics.

Wanderers chairman Paul Lederer with Blacktown Mayor Stephen Bali at the opening of the Western Sydney Wanderers Centre of Football in September.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

In the seasons leading up to the current broadcast deal, the region of western Sydney – including the south-west, which will have its own team next season in Macarthur FC – made up more than 30 per cent of the total Fox Sports audience for the A-League. When the heartland is hurting, it hurts everyone.

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Hopes were high that the move into Bankwest Stadium would spark excitement across the competition, but attendances have diminished game-on-game since the Sydney derby. With wet weather forecast and barely any hope for supporters to cling onto, it would not surprise to see a sub-10,000 crowd on Sunday for the visit of Popovic's Perth Glory.

But the club's problems don't start or end with Babbel. For instance, Meier was his signing, but the lanky veteran was the latest in a long line of failed recruitment moves for import forwards by a football department that should take some of the blame.

Tsatsimas, the club's foundation chief executive, declined to speak on the record for this story, while chairman Paul Lederer is overseas, as is most of his board. Lederer is due back in Sydney soon and what he does next will be fascinating, especially now that two other clubs are in the market for coaches. Where the Newcastle Jets and Melbourne Victory took decisive action, Lederer has hesitated, opting to give Babbel more time to fix things. He still has another full season to run on his three-year contract.

Meier's axing and the signing of Irish international Simon Cox as his replacement suggest Babbel may get one last roll of the dice but, then again, a heavy defeat to the Glory could leave Lederer with little choice but to swing the axe.

In a way, it's fitting that it could be Popovic who delivers Babbel's last rites. The Wanderers have never recovered from his departure on the eve of the 2017-18 season. The club's identity was built in Popovic's image and the sudden nature of his exit left a vacuum that has still not been filled. That's not just on Babbel, or his predecessor Josep Gombau, but the people who put them there.

The truth, after all, catches up with everyone eventually.

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2 hours ago, Smoggy said:

You miss every ******* poll lol You spend most of your time slaming Babbel and his mannerisms only to tell us you have never voted out on him and that you miss every poll :rolleyes: :P

I dont "miss" the polls...I just haven't  decided if we're better off ditching him, without a tried and true replacement.

I'm with Prydz.

TBH...I wouldnt wait for the derby.

If Perth walk all over us tonight, and we look hopeless...as usual, I think that should do it.

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Tried and true local manager I should have said above.

I'm sick of shots in the dark...both for managers and players from OS.

Our past history has been abysmal.

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Vince is spot on in that article, I’m struggling to disagree with a single line 

as aside though “5th highest spend” thats not good enough, 3 years of failure, new stadium, 2nd largest membership in the league, biggest area, and 5th highest spend. Not that spend is everything but based on spend we should make the 6 hardly a show of intention is it, for the size we are our spend should consistently be higher than that and given the importance of this season it should have been 1 or 2 this year

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41 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

Very few loyalty exemptions (if any), 1 marquee (and that marquee was Meier & not a top international) & squad stacked with youth on academy contracts.

See 1 marquee (although I think it is 2 as scweggler is one) but my point holds, we complain about sydney rotting the cap and our club talk about ambition but we spend mid table wages 

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4 hours ago, wendybr said:

I dont "miss" the polls...I just haven't  decided if we're better off ditching him, without a tried and true replacement.

I'm with Prydz.

TBH...I wouldnt wait for the derby.

If Perth walk all over us tonight, and we look hopeless...as usual, I think that should do it.

Splinters in your arse you sit on the fence so much

 

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