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1 minute ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

He came through in the end, Wendy.  No blaming players or anyone in this.  Perhaps this is the Babbel you ahve been looking and hoping for all this time??

:good:

As Cynth said, he has bowed out very graciously, and without bitterness, it would seem.

That was touching! :(

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1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

I’d hope that he has between 0-1 games in charge we have a buy next week new manager in place by the CCM game, it will be OK you bank ON it 

 

I see what you did there, but no thanks 😉

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I know a lot of people want JP gone but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment, see how we are doing in a few weeks and see if any improvements are made

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24 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

Simon Hill said on the Fox Sports pod that Babbel and us have got the raw end of many VAR decisions. 

And he is right, Kris Griffiths-Jones hates us.

I know they're Fox employees, and would be mindful of not damaging their product, so to speak, but these media personalities (ie experts, but not affiliated with the club) should speak out more.

I know they do speak out.

But it's all too late for this now.

 

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8 minutes ago, wendybr said:

I know they're Fox employees, and would be mindful of not damaging their product, so to speak, but these media personalities (ie experts, but not affiliated with the club) should speak out more.

I know they do speak out.

But it's all too late for this now.

 

i like how bozza isnt afraid to speak his opinion and occasionally the other guys will too but usually its just bozza

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It feels like we've been screwed by bad refereeing decisions more than most teams and it's certainly cost us points, but it doesn't change the fact that we've been playing bad football. Had more decisions gone our way some of the draws would be wins and some of the losses would be draws, but that would just mean that we're at or around 6th place and would probably have held on to Babbel for a bit longer, delaying the inevitable. Babbel never showed anything to suggest he knew how to turn the football side of things around and if anything our siege mentality backfired. When decisions went against us our players lost their heads and played worse (looking at you Ziegler).

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The issue with constantly getting bad refereeing descions is that the coaching team and players gave up.  They knew that as soon as they speak up they will get fined no allowance for criticism. When you see players ready to walk off at different games you know that they have given up. The body language said it all. True we have not played well but an extra 4 or 5 points would have made all the difference. Confidence plays a major factor in football.

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34 minutes ago, tardotz said:

The issue with constantly getting bad refereeing descions is that the coaching team and players gave up.  They knew that as soon as they speak up they will get fined no allowance for criticism. When you see players ready to walk off at different games you know that they have given up. The body language said it all. True we have not played well but an extra 4 or 5 points would have made all the difference. Confidence plays a major factor in football.

I hate using this word but in the end it comes down to " mentality " .I would rather have seen us get focused and determined on winning in spite of whatever the officials did. This isn't a criticism of Duke but this is where he needs to step in and say wtte......."**** 'em....lets beat them anyway....lets go boys ". Turn the anger at officials into a resolve to win no matter what. Play to be the victor not the victim.

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7 minutes ago, sonar said:

I hate using this word but in the end it comes down to " mentality " .I would rather have seen us get focused and determined on winning in spite of whatever the officials did. This isn't a criticism of Duke but this is where he needs to step in and say wtte......."**** 'em....lets beat them anyway....lets go boys ". Turn the anger at officials into a resolve to win no matter what. Play to be the victor not the victim.

Agree 100%. Think Georgievski is the best (worst) example of this. It just kills the attitude in the team and you start seeing the ref as the opponent instead of the opposition. Creates a defeatist mentality where you think whatever you do you can't win. 
It's a big problem and one I think Babbel manifested with his comments on refs in the media. Will take some doing to turn around.

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2 hours ago, Paul01 said:

Simon Hill said on the Fox Sports pod that Babbel and us have got the raw end of many VAR decisions. 

And he is right, Kris Griffiths-Jones hates us.

I noticed that Babbel didn’t thank the VAR in his farewell speech :ninja:

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20 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

I noticed that Babbel didn’t thank the VAR in his farewell speech :ninja:

Or the referees? Can you imagine his video?

“Thank you Chris for ******* us over for that pen against melbourne city, then the following week when x ****ed us, then there was that clear handball that Alex king ****ed us over on, etc etc”

:rofl: 
If you don’t laugh, you cry :lol:

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3 hours ago, tardotz said:

The issue with constantly getting bad refereeing descions is that the coaching team and players gave up.  They knew that as soon as they speak up they will get fined no allowance for criticism. When you see players ready to walk off at different games you know that they have given up. The body language said it all. True we have not played well but an extra 4 or 5 points would have made all the difference. Confidence plays a major factor in football.

All teams get bad decisions we got more than our share, but if we were playing better footy it wouldn’t happen.

Take Adelaide if you camp on the edge of your box and give the ball away you are inviting trouble 

it’s not a conspiracy, the referees are just ****, and we just need to get on with it 

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1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

All teams get bad decisions we got more than our share, but if we were playing better footy it wouldn’t happen.

100% agree, our tactics early on were to score early & then defend for 90 minutes with a low block. There is only so long that can work

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

it’s not a conspiracy, the referees are just ****, and we just need to get on with it 

If we sit back, put all the pressure on ourselves but create very little then we leave lots to Lady Luck. Sometimes it will be a stunning team goal or a wordlie, other times a controversial referee call. We have had more than our fair share this season, at some point you hope that might even out :rolleyes:

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On 20/01/2020 at 3:06 PM, Neverbloom said:

oh yes i am devastated you said something mean

 

dont let dementia hit you too hard

I won't bro, I'll die laughing, but thanks for your caring words. 

You obviously don't have a humorous bone in your body.

Maybe if you extracted yourself from your dungeon occasionally, you'd find it easier to face life's challenges. 

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6 hours ago, Paul01 said:

Simon Hill said on the Fox Sports pod that Babbel and us have got the raw end of many VAR decisions. 

And he is right, Kris Griffiths-Jones hates us.

We've allowed VAR to play a role in numerous results, by having a porous defence at times & not being clinical in front of goal

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22 hours ago, Smoggy said:

So with Babbel gone perhaps we can heal a few WSF rifts and welcome back FCB and Manfred sometime soon i hope.

@FCB has been lost to the WSW football community for a while, or at least temporarily.

He's a shattered man. He now longer understands football & needs to take a breather.

We keep in touch.

@ManfredSchaefer is larger than life & is always present (unless I'm seeing things) at pre-game locations knocking back a beverage or two 

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1 hour ago, Taurus said:

I won't bro, I'll die laughing, but thanks for your caring words. 

You obviously don't have a humorous bone in your body.

Maybe if you extracted yourself from your dungeon occasionally, you'd find it easier to face life's challenges. 

lol gold.

last line got me good.

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1 hour ago, Taurus said:

@FCB has been lost to the WSW football community for a while, or at least temporarily.

He's a shattered man. He now longer understands football & needs to take a breather.

We keep in touch.

@ManfredSchaefer is larger than life & is always present (unless I'm seeing things) at pre-game locations knocking back a beverage or two 

I have to say. Those two show so much passion for the club. I put some respek on their names even tho I may no agree with somethings they say.

Decent blokes and will ALWAYS happy to have a beverage or two with them when the opportunity occurs.

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I really wanted MB to stay for at least till the end of the season and let him see it out, things could have changed or maybe they would have stayed the same we will never know but i don't see things changing under JP. I don't see how this will motivate the players to do better, if the club had a replacement for MB already in place as a head coach then OK but to put in an caretaker for the rest of the season just feels like they pulled the trigger too quickly. If we didn't make the finals again then OK let him go, but we never know what could have happened. Its not his fault the imports didn't work out, his not a fortune teller. (Especially what happened with Rado, could have been a very different situation right now if he didn't get injured) I feel the club should have taken a step back and though about it a bit more 

As Bozza stated MU were so close to giving Fergie the flick before he won the FA cup and the rest is history, 3 YEARS HE DID NOT WIN S**T but they stayed with him and gave him a shot. I'm not saying we should have given MB 3 years but we cant just turn over manager every season in a league like this. It takes time to get your imports right and creating that great team chemistry within your squad. It isnt good for the club or players. Gombau was a different story and i believe they made the right decision in sacking him but in saying that if JT makes another bad call i think its time for him to go. Since becoming CEO back in 2014 after our ACL win we have regressed under his management of the club. At any other big corp company he would have been let go by now or demoted back to general manager which he was doing quite well when in that role.

But what is done is done and the players need to have this break to get their minds right after what has happened and prove to themselves that they can win games again.

 

NOT HAPPY JAN, especially now with these smurfs laughing at us!

 

Edited by MistahCampoy

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1 hour ago, Taurus said:

I won't bro, I'll die laughing, but thanks for your caring words. 

You obviously don't have a humorous bone in your body.

Maybe if you extracted yourself from your dungeon occasionally, you'd find it easier to face life's challenges. 

Brutal.

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hmmm ummm yep for sure a tosser  :)

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      On ‎15‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 4:55 PM, THEWANDERERSPOST said:

After reading this, it makes me feel a lot better about whats to come

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/give-me-time-says-wanderers-marquee-man-meier-20191015-p530wl.html

 

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    On 15/10/2019 at 6:15 PM, WHACKO said:

With injuries and others trying to get match fitness. I hope our season is not over before it comes.

 

    I had worries back then. This to me is one of our biggest concerns, 3 months later and Babbel said after the game on Sunday at the press conference  "that we 

    have to work on our fitness level. To many players are not 100 % fit". 14 games into a season and players are not fit. How can this be  possible at this level?

    I think we had the same problem last season also. Many people have said on the forum here we don't look fit and it shows and have question our strength

    and fitness coach. Could we get Heffernan and Beauchamp to  write out  the programme they did back in the days with Popa and give it to the current coaching

    team to implement. At least they could last 90 minutes  or more.

   

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21 hours ago, EmMac said:

Exactly my sentiments.

If Babbel has any ambition he needs to genuinely interrogate his tenure here and understand where it went wrong. And if possible learn from it

He really seems like a top guy though. That video farewell had me tearing up, you could see the sincerity. Im sad it didnt work out; for us and him

And now the team and club must move positively and purposefully forward

so we've tried the EPL big name who is a really nice guy as it turns out and a snappy dresser. I say the board will say that didn't work lets go completely the other way this time

 

....so Musky it is then:xnod:

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I think after forking out all that cash for Herr Babbel, that the board may be more frugal when they appoint our next coach. 

Might be a local, might not. Guess we'll see.

I'm not keen at all on our little Mauritian (JPdM). Don't like the vibe he gives off. 

Time will tell.

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2 hours ago, MistahCampoy said:

if JT makes another bad call i think its time for him to go. Since becoming CEO back in 2014 after our ACL win we have regressed under his management of the club. At any other big corp company he would have been let go by now or demoted back to general manager which he was doing quite well when in that role.

It's arguable there should be changes at all levels given the calamities the club have been through. JT, the director of football. All of them! If we can't get rid of the owners, get rid of those we can. Only problem is, is it better the devil you know? Who is to guarantee that their potential replacements will do better? The club doesn't have a great record of replacing people with better alternatives.

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Bring back Gorman he has proven to create the right culture, just look at what he done with the sharks going from drug cheats to a respected club again. 

No community feel anymore just a dull corporate feeling with plenty of junk mail flogging corporate or sales crap. 

A serious review needed in all aspects of operations then implement some changes. 

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