GunnerWanderer Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I’m sure Mack will shut this down if he has other plans but interested in thoughts on next direction - the time for mourning in done 😁 Is would like to see JP given at least 4 games not sure if he is any good and unless others are buying into media speculation not sure if any of the rubbish published few weeks ago has legs. if he doesn’t work out I’d like to see a local coach maybe Scott Miller have listened to him on few pods might be option. I don’t want Sven or Guus who is just a whore To anyone with cash - prefer a local coach Link to comment
hawks2767 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Mark Crittenden Blacktown City legend, knows how to beat A League clubs. THEWANDERERSPOST, DinoPresinger, Ken and 5 others 8 Link to comment
Westiesarebesties Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said: I’m sure Mack will shut this down if he has other plans but interested in thoughts on next direction - the time for mourning in done 😁 Is would like to see JP given at least 4 games not sure if he is any good and unless others are buying into media speculation not sure if any of the rubbish published few weeks ago has legs. if he doesn’t work out I’d like to see a local coach maybe Scott Miller have listened to him on few pods might be option. I don’t want Sven or Guus who is just a whore To anyone with cash - prefer a local coach What would be the point of 4 weeks, if we've dropped our coach we'd better have a plan StringerBellend 1 Link to comment
octa9ona11 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I dont know who we should appoint but we need to get rid of JP ASAP. Thete is something about him I dont like and I'm not a fan of him managing our team. Potkorok, Hiriser, Carns and 9 others 12 Link to comment
Wanderingbeersclub Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I reckon local is the way. Young guy who is committed to coaching as a career, has a philosophy and is more training ground coach than manager. I'll throw some names out as I had earlier. Not an endorsement, just a discussion starter (but feel free to slate me anyway as there are some stupid names here.) Crittenden ,Scott Miller, John Aloisi, Arthur Papas, John Anastadias (spelling?), Ufuk Talay (at end of season with Davila in tow), Damien Mori, Paul Okon, Gary Van Egmond,Luke Wilkshire, John Hutchinson, Harry Kewell, Tony Vidmar, Joe Montemurro, ... probably heaps more. StringerBellend 1 Link to comment
Prydzopolis Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I’m happy to go local but how many of us are happy to give a local the patience to go through growing pains? To struggle? To find his feet at the top level in Australia? I’m happy for a few more years of pain, heck what’s another couple of years in the wilderness? wendybr, DinoPresinger and tardotz 3 Link to comment
smp Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Wanderingbeersclub said: I reckon local is the way. Young guy who is committed to coaching as a career, has a philosophy and is more training ground coach than manager. I'll throw some names out as I had earlier. Not an endorsement, just a discussion starter (but feel free to slate me anyway as there are some stupid names here.) Crittenden ,Scott Miller, John Aloisi, Arthur Papas, John Anastadias (spelling?), Ufuk Talay (at end of season with Davila in tow), Damien Mori, Paul Okon, Gary Van Egmond,Luke Wilkshire, John Hutchinson, Harry Kewell, Tony Vidmar, Joe Montemurro, ... probably heaps more. Why not consider this Labi’s half season interview? For that matter, Heff, Meggsy and Catherine Cannuli are also putting themselves firmly in the shop window with the W League this year. The ladies are certainly playing some attractive football right now. The club has some very promising young coaches in the ranks. Let JP take the brunt of the rest of this **** show of a season. No point ruining someone with promise when they can quietly continue to learn their craft in the background while JP takes the heat. All of our early success was with a newly minted first team coach after all. No reason that can’t happen again with the right person. MistahCampoy, Potkorok, DinoPresinger and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Prydzopolis Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Two further points: (1) What confidence do we have in our owners getting it right? (2) Do we just go with ex-foreign BL coach, install haliti as assistant & another as potential for someone to take over when they move on? GunnerWanderer 1 Link to comment
mack Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerWanderer said: I’m sure Mack will shut this down if he has other plans I figured we might use the club thread for discussion, but this will do fine. Link to comment
Wanderingbeersclub Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Anyone know who Bozzas pick is??? Paywalled DT article Link to comment
blameturner Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, 1988banana said: 👀 Muscat Sadly I believe he is firmly set on his role in Belgium He’d be a good appointment. Passionate. Understands the league. THEWANDERERSPOST and wendybr 2 Link to comment
blameturner Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 48 minutes ago, Wanderingbeersclub said: Anyone know who Bozzas pick is??? Paywalled DT article wendybr, EmMac, DinoPresinger and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Record for Bozza' s suggestion https://www.transfermarkt.com/dragan-stojkovic/leistungsdatenLigenNational/trainer/5528 Decent record especially in the J-league sasam and wendybr 2 Link to comment
THEWANDERERSPOST Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Wanderingbeersclub said: I reckon local is the way. Young guy who is committed to coaching as a career, has a philosophy and is more training ground coach than manager. I'll throw some names out as I had earlier. Not an endorsement, just a discussion starter (but feel free to slate me anyway as there are some stupid names here.) Crittenden ,Scott Miller, John Aloisi, Arthur Papas, John Anastadias (spelling?), Ufuk Talay (at end of season with Davila in tow), Damien Mori, Paul Okon, Gary Van Egmond,Luke Wilkshire, John Hutchinson, Harry Kewell, Tony Vidmar, Joe Montemurro, ... probably heaps more. No to Aloisi, Okon, Kewell and Van Egmond for me. In all serious Mark Crittenden seems like a decent manager and potentially a realistic pickup. Wobblies, leslie and DinoPresinger 3 Link to comment
Frankos187 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Are Nix in the comp next year 100%? if not swaying Talay to come over could be a lot easier. Link to comment
Hughesy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 We’re basically in the same position Sydney were when we entered the A-League. They’d burned through Lavicka, Crook and Farina which made it great fun to mercilessly take the piss out of the state they were in. All the while they kept claiming they were the biggest and richest club in the league which made it even funnier. They had to do something to change and bought Arnie in, in what was probably the greatest move for the club. The rest is history. We need an Arnie level signing otherwise I can’t see this circus ending anytime soon. It already concerns me that they sacked Babbel without any real ace up the sleeve, or just something in the works, based on Lederer’s statement. I’m not holding my breath but I am hoping that I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Smoggy, THEWANDERERSPOST, wendybr and 4 others 7 Link to comment
mack Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Frankos187 said: Are Nix in the comp next year 100%? if not swaying Talay to come over could be a lot easier. With the new independent a-league yeah they're not going anywhere. Link to comment
wswnick Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, hughsey said: We’re basically in the same position Sydney were when we entered the A-League. They’d burned through Lavicka, Crook and Farina which made it great fun to mercilessly take the piss out of the state they were in. All the while they kept claiming they were the biggest and richest club in the league which made it even funnier. They had to do something to change and bought Arnie in, in what was probably the greatest move for the club. The rest is history. We need an Arnie level signing otherwise I can’t see this circus ending anytime soon. It already concerns me that they sacked Babbel without any real ace up the sleeve, or just something in the works, based on Lederer’s statement. I’m not holding my breath but I am hoping that I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Arnie-but-not-Arnie level please jockman 1 Link to comment
Burztur Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Hiddink! It would be "unAustralian" to beat him so therefore all clubs except for the Nix will field their weakest sides against us. Prydzopolis, Neverbloom, wendybr and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
1988banana Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 8 hours ago, blameturner said: Sadly I believe he is firmly set on his role in Belgium He’d be a good appointment. Passionate. Understands the league. He doesn't have the license to manage in Europe yet Prydzopolis 1 Link to comment
wengerboy Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Paul01 said: Record for Bozza' s suggestion https://www.transfermarkt.com/dragan-stojkovic/leistungsdatenLigenNational/trainer/5528 Decent record especially in the J-league I remember Wenger wanted him as his replacement back in the day. source Paul01 1 Link to comment
wendybr Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/australian-coaches-understand-the-culture-arnold-urges-a-league-clubs-to-look-local Makes sense to me. Prydzopolis and Potkorok 2 Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, 1988banana said: He doesn't have the license to manage in Europe yet I heard that he will be appointed as Technical Director Link to comment
blameturner Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, 1988banana said: He doesn't have the license to manage in Europe yet He's actually been appointed Technical Director not the manager over there. Prydzopolis 1 Link to comment
GunnerWanderer Posted January 20, 2020 Author Share Posted January 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Westiesarebesties said: What would be the point of 4 weeks, if we've dropped our coach we'd better have a plan To see if Babbel was the problem and someone within the current coaching team is capable of adjusting to see if the players can perform with the German gone. EmMac 1 Link to comment
Wanderingbeersclub Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 If they are planning on replacing Babbs this season then it would be ideal to have them in by Feb 21. 2 week break between games (same as JP is getting now). Link to comment
WestSyd Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 One thing that has to be looked at when we appoint a new coach is why we seem to always be so unfit? I think for the last 5 or so years we have been one of the least fittest teams in the league. We are also one of the teams that always loses a lot of 50/50 challenges. But that perhaps has a lot to do with the fitness, as well as being a motivational issue. I would like to see us appoint an Australian coach. We need someone who is strong minded and has that self confidence and belief in doing things their way. Someone who knows the area and can handle the club politics, and is also young / raw enough to be able to want to learn more and improve as a coach. Almost Popa like in his first few years. I would choose Rudan honestly. Probably not a popular choice here, but I just get the feeling he has that enthusiasm and energy the club needs from a coach. Anyway whoever we choose will feel the pressure. There is a pressure still there, even if the club has sunk to rock bottom. sonar, Burztur, DinoPresinger and 1 other 4 Link to comment
WSWJACK Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 What length contract does Rudan have at WU, would they even let him go anyway? Link to comment
SBW Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I posted this in the other thread for Potential candidates to replace Babbel and my pros/cons on them, I have also added a few more potential candidates on top: Ernie Merrick Pro: He wouldn't accept a caretaker's role but he would accept the job if its long term. He would have the resources to recruit players he wants I think we would see some stability and some style in our plays. Cons: I don't think he will give youth players a chance and I am just not sure if he would consider coming to us. Dean Heffernan Pros: He's done an amazing job with our W-League team, what he has instilled to our girls is amazing, making them understand what it means to play for our club, what it means to be a Western Sydney Wanderers player, if he were to coach our team, he would bring Michael Beauchamp across and would still prefer to have Labi there as well, all 3 players were part of Popa's success in our first 3 season, he knows what our culture is and know what it means to play for our team Cons: the step up from W-League to A-League is massively different, have a look at Alen Stajcic, brilliant coach for women's football but not doing too well with the Mariners and that's where the risk is for Heffernan. I don't know how he will be like under pressure but I think the job will be too big for him to fill Paul Okon Pros: He plays a possession type football, like Popa and likes to keep the ball moving. He has a good eye for talent, he's very knowledgeable and will be very keen to play youth players Cons: He was a dismal failure at CCM, won't last a season with us when things get hot, he's an NPL coach at best Kenny Lowe Pros: He's a character and a good man-manager, and like Ernie, he would have the luxury to recruit players he wants, signed some brilliant players at Perth. He would likely play some of our youth players. Cons: He has struggled to get the best out of his players and his team have been inconsistent when he was manager at Perth. John Aloisi Pros: After his stint with Heart, he took a break, learned to be a better coach, coaching Brisbane they became one of the best attacking teams in the league, he has somehow got the best out of Taggart and Maclaren when they were both at Roar. He is very likely to utilise our youth players. Cons: He's short tempered, easily falls out with his coaching staff and club management. He doesn't deal well with pressure. He doesn't fit in with our culture. Harry Kewell Pros: Coached overseas, did ok for Notts county and Crawley Town despite some circumstances, he would have a good understanding of the culture of the club, Very likely to play youth players, has a huge hatred/dislike for Robbie Slater Cons: Has no respect for the A-League, probably will not get the respect of the players, unlikely to last a season as coach. Aurelio Vidmar: Pros: Brought in one of the best style of plays in the A-League, took Adelaide to the ACL final, has a very good ability to identify talent locally and internationally, he is very likely to play youth players and will back the youth players. Cons: Doesn't seem have any interest in coming back to the A-League and if he were to come back, he will go back and coach Adelaide. If he were to coach us, I think he will butt heads with our management and walk out if he doesn't get what he wants like he did at Adelaide. Luke Wilkshire Pros: Has brought in beautiful style of football to the Wolves, has the respect of the players, will play youth players regardless. Cons: He's a Smurf, unlikely wants to coach us or any other teams in the A-League, will stick with the wolves. Ufuk Talay: Pros: He has instilled mentality and culture at the Nux, he is getting the best of the players who aren't even A-League standard. Cons: He's another ex-smurf, unlikely wants to come WSW, he will stick with the Nux, if he were to leave them, he would most likely be Corica's replacement at the Smurfs. I don't know much about the other coaches especially the NPL ones but I heard last night on SST that Rallis recommends that the club do all they can to sign Arthur Pappas Makedonche, Burztur, DinoPresinger and 2 others 5 Link to comment
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