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2 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Which thread was locked? And why? What did I miss? 

Aus Current Affairs.........too many facts.....a sledging contest.........score draw.

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This guy who writes for the Australian Medical Journal must read my posts to get his thoughts - This is Australia's first wave -  https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-outbreak-seen-in-victoria-and-nsw-is-actually-australias-first-covid-19-wave-expert-says-c-1166607

Also following my comment about burger joints in Parra, what a surprise that a case was found in a burger joint in Parra today eh...

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29 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

Not a political view with this one. But a plea from a health worker.

Opinion: I'm a doctor on Melbourne's coronavirus front line. The fight for suppression has failed http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-17/coronavirus-melbourne-doctor-suppression-or-elimination/12462518

So.....is there only one way to go with elimination - ie full lockdown?

I feel heartbroken for the majority of people who have done the right thing in Victoria, and for the govt and health authorities there!

And I don't blame anyone for wanting to take a harder line.

A proportion of the population is just too damned rebellious, selfish and stupid to be trusted to do the right thing without authorities breathing down their necks. Tragic!!!

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I wish Saint Jacinda was here..look at the situation / organisation in NZ. 

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1 hour ago, Smoggy said:

I wish Saint Jacinda was here..look at the situation / organisation in NZ. 

Sure - but of all the states where they took it seriously (well, mercifully, all our states and territories did, even it the Feds took a bit longer to get there, and were urging the states to open up more quickly than was prudent) Victoria had a cautious and responsible approach.

They deserve better, than to be blamed for mismanaging the situation. .

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1 hour ago, Smoggy said:

I wish Saint Jacinda was here..look at the situation / organisation in NZ. 

Worthy replacement for Scumbo

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23 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

Worthy replacement for Scumbo

We wish!

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1 hour ago, wendybr said:

Sure - but of all the states where they took it seriously (well, mercifully, all our states and territories did, even it the Feds took a bit longer to get there, and were urging the states to open up more quickly than was prudent) Victoria had a cautious and responsible approach.

They deserve better, than to be blamed for mismanaging the situation. .

Yeah it;s funny how all those ****wit golfer types down there are the ones on Andrews case now for essentially not being cautious enough.

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42 minutes ago, wendybr said:

We wish!

She's a virtue signaller

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20 new cases in NSW....on the way up again.

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19 minutes ago, sonar said:

20 new cases in NSW....on the way up again.

What's more concerning mate is the spread of new cases.

It started out at a pub at Crossroads, but recent cases includes visitors to restaurants in Parramatta, Paddington, Smithfield, the club at Batemans Bay etc....

There's also been several gyms where infected people have attended.

I was also informed by email this morning that Jnr Wanderboy's Academy has had a positive case. I hope I'm wrong but we seem to be heading down the Victorian path. 20th July in NSW looks scarily similar to 20th June in Vic.

 

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2 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

What's more concerning mate is the spread of new cases.

It started out at a pub at Crossroads, but recent cases includes visitors to restaurants in Parramatta, Paddington, Smithfield, the club at Batemans Bay etc....

There's also been several gyms where infected people have attended.

I was also informed by email this morning that Jnr Wanderboy's Academy has had a positive case. I hope I'm wrong but we seem to be heading down the Victorian path. 20th July in NSW looks scarily similar to 20th June in Vic.

 

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Just my opinion but we should of gone down the NZ route and gone for elimination....not suppression like we have......too late now I guess....stay safe and I hope Wanderboy Jr is ok.

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10 minutes ago, sonar said:

Just my opinion but we should of gone down the NZ route and gone for elimination....not suppression like we have......too late now I guess....stay safe and I hope Wanderboy Jr is ok.

Yeh, he's fine. The player that tested positive is in a different age group (under 8's), trains on a different night and played at a different ground on the weekend. His whole team have been quarantined for 2 weeks and been ordered to self isolate. The rest of the academy is free to continue as per usual, as per instructions from NSW Health.

Thanks for asking.  

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The NSW numbers keep just going up a tad each day tis a worry this is not the tip of an iceberg in another 10 days or so... 

So so frustrating, that NSW had had over I think  7 week period only 3 non overseas traveler cases and one of those was a QLD visitor ... and then a mistake in Vic and wow ... 

Love to be a fly on the wall when the national parliament meets as to what the others say to Andrews... 

I hope we can get control of it again... both in NSW & Vic .... 

Just sharing the thinking of a person in the arts... I mentioned before my next door neighbour has not worked since the first closure he is a sound engineer and works on lots of TV productions, music festivals etc... he is the guy I said previously said he knew 6 people who had taken their lives over cov 19 and the financial pressure it had placed them on...

Anywho we were having a chat on the weekend and its interesting to speak to someone who is essentially forbidden from working in their profession and this guy is over 50 so its not all that easy to find alternative work especially on the Coast.

He is becoming increasingly upset with people in work especially those with government guaranteed salaries who want everything closed down ... and if an outbreak happens close it all down...

He points to some other countries were they have gotten to our position and the population at large has acted hhhmmmmm with common sense, mask wearing, social distancing as a natural thing to do, high levels of hygiene.... 

The major issue he had was if we can't get rid of it we need to learn how to live with it... so when an outbreak happens close down maybe an area ... but more importantly for the population at large not to try to sneak away and hold parties,  to wear masks, gloves, social distance ... i.e. don't crowd in ques outside pubs as an example... and to register your details when you arrive at a pub or same and not rely on the management system to pick you up...

IMO this is a very interesting debate ... do we as a population owe to each other being cov 19 aware and take responsibilities to act to stop the spread by following already known steps... 

We can't stay locked down forever ... 

 

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People are refusing to do social distancing.....I include the idiotic PM at the footy in that. WTF is wrong with people. If you aren't having or don't want lockdowns then clowns need to do the right thing....ie make masks compulsory and enforce social distancing and don't give favours to donor mates like Club NSW or Star Casino......stupid. We don't have the right to infect others.

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1 hour ago, sonar said:

People are refusing to do social distancing.....I include the idiotic PM at the footy in that. WTF is wrong with people. If you aren't having or don't want lockdowns then clowns need to do the right thing....ie make masks compulsory and enforce social distancing and don't give favours to donor mates like Club NSW or Star Casino......stupid. We don't have the right to infect others.

Thats the point my neighbour is making if people won't follow the rules then we will never open up... 

Imagine or place yourself in his shoes... BTW he has some private investments owns his home, and his wife is working so for him his lack of income is only a massive life style change not wondering were next weeks rents coming from...

But place yourself in the shoes of a person in the arts, a person who owns a small cafe with your lifesaving in that business.... now imagine telling that person they must remain idle and not work .... but I keep my salary.... 

Do we owe these people for this massive loss of income sometimes careers and then not act in a responsible manner... eg at the Ettalong pub on Saturday a mate took himself and his family for a meal.... 6 of them ... signs on the doors in the bathroom all over to register at the bar your details ... also they had a person going around doing some checking... My mate was in the pub for two hours and he says he was the only person he saw go to the bar to register names and phone numbers... everyone else did not even try and some he knew had not registered when approached by a young girl had they registered they said they already had... 

Just like a coach cannot play its up to the players.... these register rules are in place and yet it seems many people wanta ignore them or even lie about them...

Back to my neighbour ... many of those spending at the pub would have been working yet they care little for the rules .... so believe me its coming those unemployed folk are getting madder and madder ... at those in work not following the rules... so the pressure is coming to open up ...

IMO not enough talked about personal responsibility as if government can fix all... they can't fix people just ignoring the rules because its a very minor inconvenience ...  

 

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I read an article quoting Dr Fauci (the US expert Trump refuses to listen to).  He makes the point that we do not know what the lasting impact of this virus has on any individual who gets it.  He cites Chicken Pox virus, along with others, that remain in a person's system for life and can re-emerge later.  He says that everyone should do everything to avoid getting the virus and more importantly giving it to others if we do get it.

Trouble is that too many people are self-centred ignorant and narcissitic and only think about t=what they want to do and their suppoesed 'rights'.  They are too stupid to understand that they are risking a great deal both for themselves and more-so for others.  That is just in health terms.  As you have noted, there are other very serious work/economic and mental health implications.  A mate was talking to an undertaker who had 18 suicides lately - very, very high compared to normal times.  I encourage the authorities to take a hard line on ignorant, self-centred idiots.

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4 hours ago, sonar said:

People are refusing to do social distancing.....I include the idiotic PM at the footy in that. WTF is wrong with people. If you aren't having or don't want lockdowns then clowns need to do the right thing....ie make masks compulsory and enforce social distancing and don't give favours to donor mates like Club NSW or Star Casino......stupid. We don't have the right to infect others.

Elimination was basically achieved in all states except Victoria. 

As for social distancing. Gladys and ScoMo were in such a rush to open back up and get people back out there that is it any wonder people did just that and forgot. The messages have been confusing and inconsistent. I love how Brendan Murphy has retired claiming success lol He guided well through the international arrivals stage in March, April and May but as soon as the main test comes along he stands out the front of parliament house talking about covid like a thing of the past and with no doubt a massive golden handshake, ridiculous.

 

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1 hour ago, Smoggy said:

Elimination was basically achieved in all states except Victoria. 

As for social distancing. Gladys and ScoMo were in such a rush to open back up and get people back out there that is it any wonder people did just that and forgot. 

 

Mate, I had no problem with their rush to get people out there. There is a point where we have to consider the economy as well. When Gladys was begging QLD to open up the borders again, she had every right to. 

My problem is, and no doubt you may think the same (I think) is that humans (too many of them) are simply selfish and dopey bastards. So many have learnt nothing from the past 5 months, and once restrictions are eased, they think it is life back to normal. No social distancing, they are trying to shake hands again, no hand washing etc.... It really pisses me off. 

Spend an hour at a local shopping center like Castle Towers or Parra Westfields and you'll know what I mean. The stupidity of humanity just blows my mind away. 

These dumb arses will be the first to complain when we go into lock down again. They make me really cranky. Angry actually.

I'll give an example.... My brother. FFS!!!

He was going to a party near Camden on Saturday. Then he was planning on visiting my parents in their nursing home today. The Nursing Home in question has banned anyone that has been to this LGA from visiting. His argument was that "I'm only going to his house for a party, I'm not going to catch the virus. I'm going to visit them regardless" WTF!!! How does he know where the people he is visiting have been? How does he know whether they have the virus?

He was also going to lie to the nursing home to gain entry, clearly thinking he wouldn't be a risk! I was specifically asked on Friday when I visited had I been to any of those areas. WTF is he thinking??.

I explicitly told him to do one or the other but not both.  He would be putting mum and dad's lives at risk, and also the other 100 odd people in that home. Thankfully, he listened to me and cancelled his appointment with mum and dad today. I also rang my parents and told them to not let him in if he tried to visit regardless. Stupidity is rampant at the moment. Sadly, my bloodlines have been tarnished with the same stupidity brush as so many of the dumb and selfish population.

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10 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

My problem is, and no doubt you may think the same (I think) is that humans (too many of them) are simply selfish and dopey bastards. So many have learnt nothing from the past 5 months, and once restrictions are eased, they think it is life back to normal. No social distancing, they are trying to shake hands again, no hand washing etc.... It really pisses me off. 

Spend an hour at a local shopping center like Castle Towers or Parra Westfields and you'll know what I mean. The stupidity of humanity just blows my mind away. 

These dumb arses will be the first to complain when we go into lock down again. They make me really cranky. Angry actually.

 

Idiots....and the main reason why I still think we opened up a month too early.  I really feel for the medicos/health staff.....like the firies earlier in the year.....no respite and no end in sight. I don't get the hate pile on for the Vics.....the Ruby Princess debacle killed way more and that was the Libs..... Fed/State.

The Vics opened up and selfish people ****ed it.

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3 minutes ago, sonar said:

 

The Vics opened up and selfish people ****ed it.

Yep, and that was my point. It wasn't the govt decisions to open up again. We largely had it under control. It was the selfish humans who ruined everything good that this country had achieved.

Just look at those 60 odd selfish pricks in Schofields on Saturday night. 

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2 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

selfish humans who ruined everything

 

And right there folks is a summary of all **** ups to occur on this planet since we could walk upright lol

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Part of the issue is that it's not part of our culture, our experience and general mind set.... to put the community first.

When were we last asked to sacrifice our own desires and immediate interests, for the good of the community?

Never in my lifetime.

For some of us, it comes naturally to do what's right for the good of a group rather than just ourselves, but it seems like a foreign  concept to many others.

Individualism vs community mindedness.

It's not the way a society survives in a crisis ....to have elevated the individual, at the expense of the community.

And we have actually seen that tension re environmental issues, where we've been asked to reduce our consumption etc, but most people don't care.

Ominous times ahead, I fear.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

And right there folks is a summary of all **** ups to occur on this planet since we could walk upright lol

Exactly.

My ex missus was telling me, more than 20 years ago that we will destroy ourselves one way or another. The end of humanity will be our own fault, as opposed to something scientifically or geographically related. I'd never thought about it like that before, and at the time, I thought, yeh, she was right, and still believe it.

Watching stuff in the last 5 months like the hoarding of toilet paper (just one small example) has confirmed my suspicions that we as a human race will indeed destroy ourselves through selfish needs and desperation.

I hope it doesn't happen for 200 years if ever, but with the likes of the Putins and Trumps and Jong IL around, it may be sooner than we think. Let alone the tension in trade with China trying to dominate the world and how they will react to this.

I was ecstatic with the peace that came from the breakdown of the Eastern Bloc in the late 80's/early 90's. I travelled to Europe for a long period of time in the early 90's and it was such a happy, vibrant place. I travelled Russia and other former Eastern Bloc countries. They were a delight.   The former Yugoslavia excepted (and that was scary travelling there at the time).  The world seemed to be at peace. It wasn't long after that apartheid ended. I had so much hope that the shite politics the world had endured (cold war, Vietnam, Moscow Olympic boycott, Iran/USA hostility debacle etc... had ended. It seems that we are heading back that way somehow, but in a different way.

 

 

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1 hour ago, wendybr said:

Part of the issue is that it's not part of our culture, our experience and general mind set.... to put the community first.

When were we last asked to sacrifice our own desires and immediate interests, for the good of the community?

Never in my lifetime.

For some of us, it comes naturally to do what's right for the good of a group rather than just ourselves, but it seems like a foreign  concept to many others.

Individualism vs community mindedness.

It's not the way a society survives in a crisis ....to have elevated the individual, at the expense of the community.

And we have actually seen that tension re environmental issues, where we've been asked to reduce our consumption etc, but most people don't care.

Ominous times ahead, I fear.

 

 

 

 

Wonders aloud today if this would work today... but the belief in the greater good ... watch on youtube it goes onto a second vid

 

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^^^ Yep - but before this, when have we (as a society) last heard this from our leaders?

It's drilled into members of other societies which we tend to scorn, but when you compare say, the US (more individualist than we are I think) to societies with a more collectivist approach, I can see a pattern emerging in terms of which one will ride out a crisis.

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Increasingly the "what you can do for your country" has ended with "pay for endless military conflict and tax cuts for billionaires & corporate welfare". No wonder people are pushing back.

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