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1 hour ago, Carns said:

Ground availability would be a major issue for Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Newcastle teams at least. Glory, Mariners, Adelaide would be fine. Not sure on the Nux. And this also depends on the new deal and whether clubs can even afford to operate at expensive state owned stadiums.

There are loads of grounds if they drop the stupid big stadium thing.. (see above rant). Loads of grounds in sydney that the NRL don't use much.. Leichhardt has about 2 games of NRL on it a year and that's before you look at using NSL team grounds.. 

Play a game at Lambert park

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14 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

There are loads of grounds if they drop the stupid big stadium thing.. (see above rant). Loads of grounds in sydney that the NRL don't use much.. Leichhardt has about 2 games of NRL on it a year and that's before you look at using NSL team grounds.. 

Play a game at Lambert park

What's the capacity of Lambert Park? Edit: Austadiums says 7k.

If WSW played away from Bankwest, lets use for arguments sake Marconi or Sydney United. Both are probably a max of 10-12k (not to mention synthetic pitches at many grounds). I tend to agree, but we'll also have to either limit member numbers (which would probably happen anyway if the "quality" of the league drops) or turn members away if they wanted to attend. I also understand that not all members attend all games. The "core" is at least 7-8k, maybe more (depending on form).

Then you've got the issues with infrastructure at and surrounding these grounds i.e. having to drive and park and clog up suburban streets, not enough food and drink venues before/after etc. I'm not against it, but there are big logistical challenges involved.

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8 minutes ago, Carns said:

What's the capacity of Lambert Park? If WSW played away from Bankwest, lets use for arguments sake Marconi or Sydney United. Both are probably a max of 10-12k (not to mention synthetic pitches at many grounds). I tend to agree, but we'll also have to either limit member numbers (which would probably happen anyway if the "quality" of the league drops) or turn members away if they wanted to attend. I also understand that not all members attend all games.

Then you've got the issues with infrastructure at and surrounding these grounds i.e. having to drive and park and clog up suburban streets, not enough food and drink venues before/after etc. I'm not against it, but there are big logistical challenges involved.

Lambert wasn'ta great call but 7000 with 2000 seats (edit: I used Ausstadiums too)

If the league starts up with no crowds in covid then it can be any size.

In the longer term the league might contract to the size of a Marconi ..

I'd rather go watch WSW play in front of 8000 at Marconi than anything at ANZ

the more I think about it..

Still holds Sydney can continue to play out of kogarah, the NRL hardly use it, Brisbane can use dolphins, Melbourne AAMI isn't overly used if not go and play at Lakeside or Melb Croatia ground.. 

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6 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Lambert wasn'ta great call but 7000 with 2000 seats

If the league starts up with no crowds in covid then it can be any size.

In the longer term the league might contract to the size of a Marconi ..

I'd rather go watch WSW play in front of 8000 at Marconi than anything at ANZ

the more I think about it..

Still holds Sydney can continue to play out of kogarah, the NRL hardly use it, Brisbane can use dolphins, Melbourne AAMI isn't overly used if not go and play at Lakeside or Melb Croatia ground.. 

The majority of games WSW play would be better at a small ground, but it's far from easy to get to many of these grounds without a car, it would put many members at a disadvantage (and obviously a large chunk live closer to these venues than Parra, but poor transport links). The club would have to start ferrying people from stations or put on buses from various collection points around western Sydney (both feasible options).

The clubs could also feasibly pay for upgrades to grounds with a share of gate sales, it's all possible, just takes a lot of ingenuity and a willingness to "downgrade" the size of venues for improved spectacle. But money would need to be invested into all of these options.

Also, if the comp gets opened up to P/R like some want, most of these grounds would be used by NPL teams.

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You'd be lucky to squeeze 2k in at Lambert these days. 

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There was a line in an article a week or so ago that said the the FFA and Fox were scheduled to have their regular meeting today.  Has anyone heard more about this?

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12 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

I'd rather go watch WSW play in front of 8000 at Marconi than anything at ANZ

A march from the T-Way to Marconi would be cool lol

We'll see how long this will last, the longer it lasts the more damage it will do to the survival of our league. Anymore than 6 months and having to put in another delay in starting the league this will allow fox which is most likely. I hear people saying that we will not get anything close to what fox are paying now for it, though Optus seems to know what sort of value football has and the profit it can make if done right along with DAZN now in the picture could see the deal worth a bit more if they are throwing their hat in the ring as well. So the new broadcast deal might be better than some might think? (Fingers crossed)

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47 minutes ago, MistahCampoy said:

I hear people saying that we will not get anything close to what fox are paying now for it, though Optus seems to know what sort of value football has and the profit it can make if done right along with DAZN now in the picture could see the deal worth a bit more if they are throwing their hat in the ring as well. So the new broadcast deal might be better than some might think? (Fingers crossed)

Considering the viewing numbers on Fox i.e. most games had <50k (obviously we are not privy to Kayo/Telstra app numbers, you'd hope FFA and the clubs know) we don't really have much bargaining power. Couple that with broadcasting costs being covered by either the league or Optus (neither of which have paid for broadcasting previously) and we'll be lucky to get half the current deal ($60M) IMO.

Optus are showing J-league for free because no one wanted the rights. They pay for drawcards like EPL, UCL, World Cup etc. but don't fork out big for content that won't bring in big numbers.

I want Optus to pick up the rights, but it's going to be dramatically different to the current rights. I also think FFA would want it to go to Optus as football fans are already subscribers. DAZN doesn't have much content available in Australia at the moment.

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@StringerBellend

Just a thought, the club could build some temporary stands and do it at the training base/academy? Obviously bigger outlay for infrastructure/logistics, but it would be their own home and they'd keep a higher percentage of profits (eventually).

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4 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

You'd be lucky to squeeze 2k in at Lambert these days. 

I remember playing a grand final on it

very satisfying to clear a ball into the stands NTS style

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I just cancelled Kayo (2 days before I was charged for another month! Just in time). Might renew when the sporting world starts to live again. Then again I might not renew. I’m leaning towards the not at this stage.

On the A-League, I’m already over it. I’ll come back for the W-League (Canberra’s team is supported by the local federation, so it will survive in some form or another), but when freedom of movement returns I’m unlikely to travel north for a Wanderers A-League game as often as I used to, especially if it’s a NPL grade team that starts playing out of tin pot little stadiums across greater western Sydney.
 

For my own sake I hope Canberra gets an A-League team out of the ashes of this mess, which might be possible in a new world where they act to constrain costs as much as possible!

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11 minutes ago, Generator said:

I just cancelled Kayo (2 days before I was charged for another month! Just in time). Might renew when the sporting world starts to live again. Then again I might not renew. I’m leaning towards the not at this stage.

On the A-League, I’m already over it. I’ll come back for the W-League (Canberra’s team is supported by the local federation, so it will survive in some form or another), but when freedom of movement returns I’m unlikely to travel north for a Wanderers A-League game as often as I used to, especially if it’s a NPL grade team that starts playing out of tin pot little stadiums across greater western Sydney.
 

For my own sake I hope Canberra gets an A-League team out of the ashes of this mess, which might be possible in a new world where they act to constrain costs as much as possible!

Personally I like the “tin pot” Little stadiums over ANZ, spotless Allianz etc

each to their own I guess

I cancelled Kayo too, not much point paying for live sport streaming when there is no live sport 

If they have the a league when it comes back then I’ll start it back up otherwise there’s $25 a month I save 

 

Edited by StringerBellend

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I’m torn - I enjoyed watching the Matildas play at Leichhardt and I don’t mind Marconi (it has been years since I was there, though), but I really like the fact the Wanderers play in Parramatta, with its accessibility and local amenities being a big part of the appeal. If the club were to shift to a single tin pot little stadium I’d adjust, I think, but it would have to the right stadium.

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https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ffa-puts-hand-up-for-slice-of-fifa-s-aid-package?fbclid=IwAR0_M_65tn2FJAuImXcmMBX5DzV9PHr9zalO6D_qrFe-tA7arVyAFQzUaVY

World governing body president Gianni Infantino counted FFA chief executive James Johnson as one of his closest lieutenants during the latter’s six years in Zurich, and will be well aware of the fiscal fallout which has prompted FFA to stand down 70 per cent of its staff.

FIFA announced earlier this week it had drawn up plans to distribute a portion of its $4.4 billion in cash reserves to help financially distressed subordinates survive the COVID-19 cash crunch.

And Johnson - who during his time at FIFA oversaw relations with the world’s top clubs, leagues and player unions as Head of Professional Football - is well-placed to present a strong case for cash-strapped FFA.

Domestically, FFA is a member of the Coalition of Major Professional and Participation Sports (COMPPS), which is in the process of lobbying the federal government for financial aid in terms of payroll tax relief and eligibility for the job keeper package.

COMPPS also represents the interests of AFL, the Australian Rugby Union, Cricket Australia, NRL and Netball Australia.

The worldwide football eco-system is already brimming with distress calls during the great lockdown.

Former Slovakian champion MSK Zilina has entered liquidation, A-League clubs have stood down players and staff without pay and the Uruguay association has laid off coach Oscar Tabarez and 400 of his federation colleagues.

To complicate matters for FFA, rights holder Fox Sports is believed to be looking to extricate itself from the remaining three years of its $57.6 million per annum deal.

The next quarterly payment of $11.5 million is due to FFA on April 14 - with $9.4 million of that earmarked for the clubs.

If the payment is not forthcoming, Fox Sports can expect legal ramifications in battle of high stakes brinksmanship.

As the deadline nears, with Fox Sports seemingly playing hard ball, an FFA spokesperson told The World Game: “We expect payment as per our contract.”

In Zurich, high level talks are already underway over how the rescue package should be distributed, with the global players’ union appealing for cash to be funneled into the smaller markets, rather than the elite end of the game.

“FIFA is in a strong financial situation and it’s our duty to do the utmost to help them in their hour of need,” the world governing body said in a statement on Tuesday.

“FIFA is working on possibilities to provide assistance to the football community around the world after making a comprehensive assessment of the financial impact this pandemic will have on football.”

The fund could take the form of bridging loans and even emergency grants and would be managed outside of FIFA’s current development budget, which disperses $10 million across a four-year cycle to each of its 211 member associations.

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A-League cash crisis could bring opportunity for whole of game shake-up

The coronavirus pandemic has hit Australia's cash-strapped A-League clubs hard but the financial shortfalls that COVID-19 has brought also represent an opportunity to reimagine the sport in this country, says leading administrator Nick Galatas.

The crisis could accelerate plans to introduce promotion and relegation and a fully integrated pyramid system at state and national levels, says the man who is chairman of the Australian Association of Football Clubs (AAFC), the body representing NPL clubs in Australia

''I see it as an opportunity for the game to be recalibrated in a manner which reflects the real support and the real position in the community which the game holds – rather than an arbitrary level that was set some time ago which doesn't reflect the reality,'' Galatas says.

A lawyer and former chairman of one-time NSL powerhouse South Melbourne, Galatas is part of the FFA's steering committee charged with creating the platform for a national second division, which was earmarked to kick off in the 2021-22 season.

He acknowledges that might be delayed for a period now but insists that the current crisis is also a chance to re-examine the professional game and the whole integrated structure of soccer in this country.

This is particularly the case if the economic model underpinning the A-League contracts if broadcaster Fox Sports walks away from the game because of its own financial uncertainty.

If the cost base for the top-tier clubs shrinks dramatically – as many suspect it will with talk of the salary cap being halved for the next season – then the differential between the A-League clubs and the largest second-tier NPL teams will be nowhere near as great as it is at the moment.

That makes the prospect of relegation to the second level much less challenging as it might otherwise have been, he argues.

In turn that should facilitate the way for the changes to be made sooner rather than later, lessening the argument of A-League club owners that their revenue streams will diminish if they drop to a second-tier competition.

''I think that the linking of the game now, the continuum of clubs from the richest and the biggest down to the lower ones is going to become much more connected and organic than the system that we have currently,'' he said.

''That was artificially maintained. You had the bigger clubs outside the A-League [in Victoria leading NPL teams like South Melbourne, Bentleigh Greens, Heidelberg, Melbourne Knights] forced into smaller state leagues which ensured they were unable to grow and aspire to become bigger by moving into the top division.

''And the top-tier clubs have been artificially preserved at the highest level.

''If the top tier is redeveloped in conjunction perhaps with a new broadcasting deal, if it's needed, and then restructured with a different financial model in place then I see as part of that an opportunity to introduce the second tier and work in promotion and relegation. I think a new broadcast partner might see value in it.''

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