LetsPele Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 24/08/2021 at 8:58 PM, mack said: That's not the word I'd use to describe a season where we went 5-1 down to the 2nd worst team in the comp and had 4-1 and 5-1 losses. He may have meant, "not too far away... from the bottom of the table". Which would be spot on... mack and StringerBellend 1 1 Link to comment
Hughesy Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 6 hours ago, GE942150 said: It helps when you walk into a star studded team handed to you from Arnold and some how seem to have more cap space than every other team in the league every year. You could argue he’s either smart for keeping a winning system or lazy for not progressing it. I lean towards the latter. Either way, I think the day it no longer works is getting closer and that was shown this season. They still came good at the right time but had the rest of the competition not been so inconsistent and generally poor, I think he would’ve been in strife. He needs to do something big this year to show he’s not just keeping the seat warm IMO. BoyFromTheWest, GE942150, Carns and 1 other 4 Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, hughsey said: You could argue he’s either smart for keeping a winning system or lazy for not progressing it. I lean towards the latter. Either way, I think the day it no longer works is getting closer and that was shown this season. They still came good at the right time but had the rest of the competition not been so inconsistent and generally poor, I think he would’ve been in strife. He needs to do something big this year to show he’s not just keeping the seat warm IMO. I think they will struggle next year, they are a side in decline not on the improve. Their better players are all a year older next year (Nincovic largely missed the grand final another year isn't go to help). Their new recruits are pretty average. City smashed them in the GF and that was without McClaren etc. Can we take advantage, only Carlo knows Link to comment
Keithie Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Sydney FC were in a bit of trouble with Buhagar and Barbarosus up front early in the season ,I admit I thought they got it wrong with Bobo a couple of years older but he did alright and when Fondre came back they started to get it together. Bobo a year older , Ninkovic a year older and Wilkinson a year older will be difficult for them. Edinburgh and jockman 2 Link to comment
matty Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 10 hours ago, theseeker said: We don't need an Arnold , a Bimbi or even a Bimbo. We need a David Traktovenko. I think you'll find it's their CEO, Danny Townsend that turned them around, that one staff change made all the difference. It did with us too. dcrow 1 Link to comment
Carns Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Tony Pignata brought Graham Arnold to SFC (in 2014) and was there when they won the double in 2016/17 and resigned after that season. Danny Townsend inherited a much better run operation and continued to improve it. Stokz 1 Link to comment
Hughesy Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Arnie was the one who made all the difference. He took the smurfs from a club who used to spend every opportunity convincing themselves how big and successful they were (sound familiar?) and actually made them big and successful. The fact his system still stands and delivers despite him not being there for over 3 years is a testament to that. Anyone who says they wouldn’t want him at their club is kidding themselves. Edinburgh 1 Link to comment
BoyFromTheWest Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, hughsey said: Arnie was the one who made all the difference. He took the smurfs from a club who used to spend every opportunity convincing themselves how big and successful they were (sound familiar?) and actually made them big and successful. The fact his system still stands and delivers despite him not being there for over 3 years is a testament to that. Anyone who says they wouldn’t want him at their club is kidding themselves. That speaks into the failure of Popa - not only leaving quickly but never building a style or team. Changing, evolving and turning over every year. The other A League coach who left behind legacy and changed how things are done was Ange, although not everyone got him. His style and ideas changed the A League more than any other as teams had to catch up to Brisbane, in particular. He left a good team and build in Victory and Muscat benefited and did well with it. Came unstuck the last year or so. Edinburgh 1 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, hughsey said: Arnie was the one who made all the difference. He took the smurfs from a club who used to spend every opportunity convincing themselves how big and successful they were (sound familiar?) and actually made them big and successful. The fact his system still stands and delivers despite him not being there for over 3 years is a testament to that. Anyone who says they wouldn’t want him at their club is kidding themselves. Helped by Smurf FCs handling of the cap. Corsica recently said: “I look at our current starting eleven and it’s the envy of the country.” Had the cap rules been applied to them they would not have been able to have that consistency over the years. What also made a difference was Arnie’s persistent interference from the sideline, his bullying of officials that remained unpunished over the years, and resulted into winning points. In contrast: Babbel’s red card at SCG. I am one of those who is kidding himself then. He is the manager I will not tolerate at WSW. sonar, EmMac, matty and 5 others 8 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 58 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said: That speaks into the failure of Popa - not only leaving quickly but never building a style or team. Changing, evolving and turning over every year. The other A League coach who left behind legacy and changed how things are done was Ange, although not everyone got him. His style and ideas changed the A League more than any other as teams had to catch up to Brisbane, in particular. He left a good team and build in Victory and Muscat benefited and did well with it. Came unstuck the last year or so. Popa was successful in the first four years. I am one of those who considers making Grand Finals a success, three of those and winning the ACL ain’t half bad. Despite his shambolic S5 squad selection WSW made the finals, and we would have been competitive had FFA not blocked the Eduardo transfer. We would have been competitive in S6 had he not ****ed off the way he did. MartinTyler, THEWANDERERSPOST, GunnerWanderer and 3 others 6 Link to comment
BoyFromTheWest Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, FCB said: Popa was successful in the first four years. I am one of those who considers making Grand Finals a success, three of those and winning the ACL ain’t half bad. Despite his shambolic S5 squad selection WSW made the finals, and we would have been competitive had FFA not blocked the Eduardo transfer. We would have been competitive in S6 had he not ****ed off the way he did. Absolutely agree that Popa had success - and wouldn't change that for anything!! (Well maybe add a Championship?). I am suggesting that Popa is not the type of manager to successfully create a legacy, a lasting impact. His success depends upon his presence at a club. Others mentioned created change, success and legacy. Too much depends on Popa being present. THEWANDERERSPOST, Zelinsky, Edinburgh and 1 other 4 Link to comment
theseeker Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 How can losing three grand finals be considered a success. To me it is a catastrophic failure. Lost one with Perth as well. Link to comment
MartinTyler Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, theseeker said: How can losing three grand finals be considered a success. To me it is a catastrophic failure. Lost one with Perth as well. If losing a Grand Final is a catastrophic failure, how would you describe that past 5 seasons? Zelinsky, Stokz, DinoPresinger and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
theseeker Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, MartinTyler said: If losing a Grand Final is a catastrophic failure, how would you describe that past 5 seasons? …..a continuation of the catastrophic failures. Link to comment
Davo Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, theseeker said: …..a continuation of the catastrophic failures. So you're classifying anything other than a Grand Final win as "catastrophic failure"? matty, Zelinsky, GunnerWanderer and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment
theseeker Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 53 minutes ago, Davo said: So you're classifying anything other than a Grand Final win as "catastrophic failure"? Well yeah , if you get to a grand final , let alone three, and lose it's catastrophic. I think if you would ask any top coach that lost a grand final if they considered it a " success " the answer would be " no ". And from what I have read from coach quotes ,this would be a universal answer. If they said it was a success they should be at Centrelink looking for a new job. Harsh but true , the only thing that matters in football is winning , that's why they have a scoreboard and trophies and why supporters , like on here , get all aggro , when the coach doesn't get results. Link to comment
Hughesy Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, FCB said: Helped by Smurf FCs handling of the cap. Corsica recently said: “I look at our current starting eleven and it’s the envy of the country.” Had the cap rules been applied to them they would not have been able to have that consistency over the years. What also made a difference was Arnie’s persistent interference from the sideline, his bullying of officials that remained unpunished over the years, and resulted into winning points. In contrast: Babbel’s red card at SCG. I am one of those who is kidding himself then. He is the manager I will not tolerate at WSW. It doesn't excuse any of it but Arnie's sideline conduct was no different to that of several dozen other managers we've seen over the course of the A-League. I could name multiple managers who were far more aggressive in their manner. You're just proving the WSW bias against Arnie cause he had our measure and tormented us in the process. The truth hurts. Trust me, this is coming from someone who abused the **** out of him for years... Carns 1 Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, FCB said: Helped by Smurf FCs handling of the cap. Corsica recently said: “I look at our current starting eleven and it’s the envy of the country.” Had the cap rules been applied to them they would not have been able to have that consistency over the years. What also made a difference was Arnie’s persistent interference from the sideline, his bullying of officials that remained unpunished over the years, and resulted into winning points. In contrast: Babbel’s red card at SCG. I am one of those who is kidding himself then. He is the manager I will not tolerate at WSW. I don't buy this they were cheating the cap thing, they used it properly that's all we didn't and still don't. They put their $ into a starting XI then had a couple of versitile bench players and that was it. They used multi year contracts to share the cap out across players and would also keep a visa spot up their sleeve for midseason, and use both marquee spots We did very little of that, even last year too many average players not enough good ones Hughesy, 102megan and LetsPele 3 Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, theseeker said: Well yeah , if you get to a grand final , let alone three, and lose it's catastrophic. I think if you would ask any top coach that lost a grand final if they considered it a " success " the answer would be " no ". And from what I have read from coach quotes ,this would be a universal answer. If they said it was a success they should be at Centrelink looking for a new job. Harsh but true , the only thing that matters in football is winning , that's why they have a scoreboard and trophies and why supporters , like on here , get all aggro , when the coach doesn't get results. I take a grand final loss over our last 5 seasons 102megan, matty, Zelinsky and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 36 minutes ago, StringerBellend said: I don't buy this they were cheating the cap thing, they used it properly that's all we didn't and still don't. They put their $ into a starting XI then had a couple of versitile bench players and that was it. They used multi year contracts to share the cap out across players and would also keep a visa spot up their sleeve for midseason, and use both marquee spots We did very little of that, even last year too many average players not enough good ones We’ll, for example, Adrian Pole was a third marquee, and FFA decided to look the other way. Perth was “caught” because a disgruntled ex employee made a phone call. Sage at the time said “yes, but what about the others who are doing the same?” and got smashed into the ground by Gallop. And he had to suck it up. From here onward the HAL will look at the books. The wind has changed, the refs are not afraid any longer to red card a Smurf player in a GF… WSW decided to play according to the rules, for better for worse. Again, FFA shot down the Eduardo transfer because his name wasn’t Cahill. I have no doubt that the Smurfs would not have experienced these issues. THEWANDERERSPOST 1 Link to comment
BoyFromTheWest Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 It seemed that under Lowy's reign he was leaning towards the only Sydney team. They have been darlings. WSW never will be because the west is the west. THEWANDERERSPOST and StringerBellend 2 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said: It seemed that under Lowy's reign he was leaning towards the only Sydney team. They have been darlings. WSW never will be because the west is the west. The Lowys went against the original recommendation and moved the club from West to East, put it in writing that there would not be a second Sydney team in Sydney for x amount of years, got shares in Smurf FC, and dressed them up in Hakoah colours. The team for all of Sydney, right? Thank goodness WSW is not like them. THEWANDERERSPOST, Unlimited, BoyFromTheWest and 4 others 7 Link to comment
Hughesy Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 4 hours ago, StringerBellend said: I don't buy this they were cheating the cap thing, they used it properly that's all we didn't and still don't. They put their $ into a starting XI then had a couple of versitile bench players and that was it. They used multi year contracts to share the cap out across players and would also keep a visa spot up their sleeve for midseason, and use both marquee spots We did very little of that, even last year too many average players not enough good ones 100% - the whole Sydney FC salary cap stuff has become stale and desperate Link to comment
GunnerWanderer Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Lmao 3 years out of 4 in the final game of the season and the one time popa didn’t get us there cause we had more games that any A-League team have ever seen in its existence. I’ve read some outlandish things on this forum that has to be up there. Zelinsky, DinoPresinger, Wobblies and 2 others 5 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 14 hours ago, hughsey said: It doesn't excuse any of it but Arnie's sideline conduct was no different to that of several dozen other managers we've seen over the course of the A-League. I could name multiple managers who were far more aggressive in their manner. You're just proving the WSW bias against Arnie cause he had our measure and tormented us in the process. The truth hurts. Trust me, this is coming from someone who abused the **** out of him for years... We have to agree to disagree here. Arnold has been talking a lot of crap over the years: the Man United of Australia, Smurfs let ANZ to WSW, belittling Popa as his little brother, all his post game beauties. CR never talks down the opponent, or belittles them. For all his gas bagging, he comes across as a decent guy. In contrast, Arnie has been behaving like a dickhead, which no doubt was the inspiration for the infamous Tifo. Arnie’s first year at the Smurfs was a failure, as was CR’s first year at WSW. They both fielded too many juniors who weren’t quite ready. Maybe CR will do what Arnie did in his second year. Maybe I get to like CR again. Despite Arnie’s managerial skills: he can **** off. CR might give me a bleeding ear, but Arnie would want to make me throw up. I will never tolerate him at WSW. Totally unacceptable. GunnerWanderer, matty, EmMac and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment
GE942150 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, FCB said: We have to agree to disagree here. Arnold has been talking a lot of crap over the years: the Man United of Australia, Smurfs let ANZ to WSW, belittling Popa as his little brother, all his post game beauties. CR never talks down the opponent, or belittles them. For all his gas bagging, he comes across as a decent guy. In contrast, Arnie has been behaving like a dickhead, which no doubt was the inspiration for the infamous Tifo. Arnie’s first year at the Smurfs was a failure, as was CR’s first year at WSW. They both fielded too many juniors who weren’t quite ready. Maybe CR will do what Arnie did in his second year. Maybe I get to like CR again. Despite Arnie’s managerial skills: he can **** off. CR might give me a bleeding ear, but Arnie would want to make me throw up. I will never tolerate him at WSW. Totally unacceptable. I think you mean Arnie's second year was a failure. They made the grand final in his first year. Zelinsky 1 Link to comment
Zelinsky Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, GE942150 said: I think you mean Arnie's second year was a failure. They made the grand final in his first year. Yes, of course. Link to comment
StringerBellend Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 hours ago, FCB said: We’ll, for example, Adrian Pole was a third marquee, and FFA decided to look the other way. Perth was “caught” because a disgruntled ex employee made a phone call. Sage at the time said “yes, but what about the others who are doing the same?” and got smashed into the ground by Gallop. And he had to suck it up. From here onward the HAL will look at the books. The wind has changed, the refs are not afraid any longer to red card a Smurf player in a GF… WSW decided to play according to the rules, for better for worse. Again, FFA shot down the Eduardo transfer because his name wasn’t Cahill. I have no doubt that the Smurfs would not have experienced these issues. Again not to be the defender of that lot but wasn't the polish dude under the cap, still big money, with a promise of marquee money the following year If you don't burn yer cap on having multiples of the same type of player and foreign players to sit in the bench you could squeeze a third marquee under the cap. They games the cap well, we haven't Carns 1 Link to comment
Smoggy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, FCB said: I will never tolerate him at WSW. Totally unacceptable. Nahhh, we need to move on from this mindset a little as the comp matures in this country and head in to the next 10 years of the A league. As the comp does mature you will see more managers that win comps with more than one club and also go across city rivalry lines. It will write new stories/ chapters in our game and prob add a bit of extra spice at that time also...all stories yet to be written as we moved forward. Arnie i think would likely never come to us. But it would sure ignite some interest if he did. Your mindset is a bit old school for me. To develop our game we need to be open to all possibilities, even real left of field ones! Edited August 28, 2021 by Smoggy Link to comment
BoyFromTheWest Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 hours ago, GunnerWanderer said: Lmao 3 years out of 4 in the final game of the season and the one time popa didn’t get us there cause we had more games that any A-League team have ever seen in its existence. I’ve read some outlandish things on this forum that has to be up there. Not sure what you're getting at??! No-one suggested Popa was a failure as a manager. If it is my comment you are refering to, I suggested that Popa didn't (and hasn't anywhere else) left anything behind. He is a manager who is successful in and of himself. So whilst he is at the club there will be success but when he leaves it all falls apart. Here, Perth... The point others made was Arnie (for all his other faults) and a relatively few others left a lsting change and legacy that kept things going. Muscat, Corica... have benefited from good coaches who also left a structure, a team and a culture behind. Popa didn't. He really isn't interested in that. He is interested in doing things his way - it works wonderfully whilst he is there. We benefited and enjoyed the ride. It came unstuck very soon afterwards... jockman, Smoggy, Wanderboy and 1 other 4 Link to comment
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