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7 hours ago, Midfielder said:

Remember when they painted the red trains blue..

They show the blue trains in this vid 

 

Haha! I'd forgotten about the blue versions, and even the grey ones.

Some great footage in those above videos. Brings back some great memories. I used to hang out of the doors looking up the tunnels on the city circle. Must have been where I got my train nerdism from.

The windows used to drop from a great height with speed when you released the latches on either side. It was a good idea to keep the fingers out of the way.

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Couple of links on the new """Intercity Trains""" should be working some time next year and the existing trains transferred to Sydney routes...

Only thing I don't like about the new trains is the seats are fixed with half the seats facing backwards ... they don't swing over like existing trains....Further they will run 10 car trains with each car holding more than the older cars... some key features individual seats, arm rest, devise ports to run most things., seats have tray tables...

Latest release link

This  vid is a walk through https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/new-intercity-fleet

 

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Some things they don't have

Direction changing seats

Comfortable seats for longer journeys

Guards for when there are ice addicts on your service

Station attendants for when the gap between the platform and the train is massive and you need to make sure everyone is safe.

- A help point, that's nice - what's someone on the phone going to do? :lol:

 

(do they have guards? i can't remember, at one point it looked like they were not going to).

 

 

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^^^^^

The seating IMO is a very backward step.... I remember when some Sydney trains had similar seats and I hated them... no idea on their comfort but they appear harder than the current ones.

Also I am told they could run with 12 cars, with the extra seats due to the change in seating and people standing maybe 1, 500 per train over a say 2.50 hour peak of 20 trains thats 30K people...

The trains will still have guards, this is from a news report pertaining to the guards, seems two different views...

 The issue is a change in the way guards will operate. Train guards physically peer out from their cabs to check the train is safe to depart but when the new fleet launches guards will check a bank of CCTV monitors inside their cabs.

 

“They’re (now) able to listen to people yelling, if they’re running late for the train.

“By being cooped up inside the train they’re not going to hear any of that,” Mr Claassens told the ABC today.

Mr Claassens’ comments come after a report commissioned by Transport for NSW (TfNSW) gave the new trains the safety tick.

Pete Allaway, Acting Chief Executive of NSW TrainLink which will operate the fleet, said the “expert safety review” looked at how safe the trains would be with the changed way guards will do their jobs.

“The technical systems used by the New Intercity Fleet are more advanced than many systems currently in use internationally.

“These systems give the train driver and the customer-service guard a comprehensive View of the complete train length to monitor the platform as customers board and alight.”

 

The stations well most will still have station personal, they just don't sell tickets

The "" help point """ I have no idea about but can't see it being removed or if removed replaced by something else.

With drop down tables and cup holders and far better storage for bags and bike storage areas as well they seem to be a step up aside from the swing seats to the existing fleet.

 

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There must be a difference between the two lines i.e CC & BM...

As I understand stations currently attended will still be attended...

As for 12 car and small platforms... very common on the Coast for small platforms some only one car long... heaps of announcement if going to say Point Claire ride in the back carriage etc...

Wyong I think, Gosford, Woy Woy, Hornsby, Epping I think certainty 10 Stratfield &Central can all take 12 car trains... 

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I will be very surprised if the 12 cars, even with the adjustements, can get around our bends though, given they had to do a heap of work to make things fit for these with 8.

We'll wait and see what they do with station attendents but that was essentially what the snap strike was over last week.

 

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You could be right about the 12 cars ... but sometime ago they ran 10 cars for a while and a number of stations were upgraded to take bigger trains... both Eastwood & Epping as I lived there when they were extended... in those days CC trains used to change with one stopping at Eastwood and the next at Epping... but since the Chastwood to the Hills all trains have stopped at Epping...

They changed hhhmmmm there were not that many 10 car trains... but  when they added extra trains they cut out the 10 car trains saying the extra trains made up for more than the lost cars on the 10 car trains...

According to what I read the new D set trains are coming in two sets.

4 car

6 car

Two four connected form an 8 car

A 4 & 6 form a 10 car.

Some are saying they will join some 6 cars together to form a 12...

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During the peak we get a decent number of trains however they say as they increase the number of signals the trains will increase as well.

https://transportnsw.info/documents/timetables/93-CCN-Central-Coast-Newcastle-Line-20201025.pdf

Peak morning trains as an example from Woy Woy... 

5:47 to 6:43 ===5 trains or one every 12 minutes

6:44 to 7:43 === 8 trains or one every 7.5 minutes

7:44 to 8:15 === 4 trains or one every 7.5 minutes

 

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43 minutes ago, Midfielder said:

During the peak we get a decent number of trains however they say as they increase the number of signals the trains will increase as well.

https://transportnsw.info/documents/timetables/93-CCN-Central-Coast-Newcastle-Line-20201025.pdf

Peak morning trains as an example from Woy Woy... 

5:47 to 6:43 ===5 trains or one every 12 minutes

6:44 to 7:43 === 8 trains or one every 7.5 minutes

7:44 to 8:15 === 4 trains or one every 7.5 minutes

 

That is excellent service from the Central coast.

Considering they generally join the Sydney system at Berowra, it's amazing that there is track space for them from Strathfield onwards towards Central.

Sydney trains have done an amazing job increasing frequencies of services over the past 5 years or so, considering that all our lines are shared, besides the newly built metro. The ongoing digitalization of the signaling system has certainly made a huge difference. It's been worth it too. Passenger numbers have skyrocketed as development around stations has increased.

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Waterboy

Its not great but its not bad neither...

Via Strathfield

Woy Woy to Hornsby ... 37 minutes ... change trains for North Shore line fastest way to Chastwood to City Circle

Hornsby to Epping .... 11 minutes ... total 48 minutes change to Metro or Express bus to Parramatta

Epping to Strathfield ... 11 minutes ... total 59 minutes ... change Western Sydney Lines

Strathfield to Central... 14 minutes... total 1 hour 12 minutes ...

Via North Shore line..North Shore line a train just under every 7 minutes...

Woy Woy to Hornsby ... 37 minutes .

Hornsby to Town Hall ... 46 minutes ...total 1 hour 13 minutes ... heaps of key stops along the way Chatswood, St Lennard's, North Sydney ....Wynyard 

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