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  1. 21 points
    The whole Kogarah Derby thing was interesting. Having special trains to/from Central was good, although it seemed not too many people actually used them. The police were hopelessly prepared and briefed. It was as if they had no idea how to manage crowds. There were a few at the station, when we arrived, but not many as we walked down the road. Rather than let large crowds gather at corners near the station… maybe stop traffic when the train comes it and let the crowd move as quickly as possible to the ground? Luckily supporters, for both teams, were in good spirits and seemed to just want to get into the ground. I’d never been to the ground before, and it seemed like I wasn’t the only one, so it was odd that nobody seemed to be directing people to gates. Information was poor. There were no bag searches on the way in – well there were a few, but they were hopelessly inadequate. The seating arrangements are what they are, but I’ve still no idea where I was supposed to go? Every man for themselves? The big hill? The narrow row of seats? Loads of folk seemed unsure. I had 3 x 13 year olds who wanted to be with the RBB. Terrible view. It would be impossible to sit down and watch the game. The seats were never intended to view a game with 1m high advertising boards surrounding the playing area. So it would be perfectly reasonable for spectators to stand-up, and smaller ones standing on seats. It was odd that the hill behind the RBB was blocked off and only had 20 or so police. It would have been a better area to view the game. The fence around that ground is simply not fit for purpose. It’s old and dangerous. The section near me was held on with a few tek screws. In the second half, I feared the whole thing giving way, like the issue at Blacktown FFA Cup game a few years ago. I got the 3x 13 year olds to move slightly back. I felt a major safety issue was avoided, because a few hundred RBB supporters had left the ground just before the goal was scored. I don’t know the capo, but he has always seemed like a very reasonable guy. I saw him there with what looked like a wife and kid the other week. If I was the head of security arrangements, he’d be the very bloke I’d want to know and liaise with. I saw him asking people, on the megaphone thing trying to get people to get down from standing on seats both at Kogarah and Geelong. [at Geelong, it worked, albeit that there was a smaller crowd.] I’ve always thought he’s got the balance right of being a capo, passionately driving support for our team, whilst also doing the right thing. If I saw him at the pub I’m buy him a beer. If you want to inflame a situation, you march 15 police to block views and stand in a menacing pose in front of, at that stage, a light humoured crowd. So it seemed to me that once the police posturing happened, the police were escalating the issue, which is the opposite of what I thought they were there for. I’ve always thought the Supporter Marshalls to be a good thing and the 4 or 5 regulars seem like good guys, especially the really big guy and the bloke with the funny haircut. If I was the senior police officer on duty, I’d be using these guys the way there were intended – as liaison people. This didn’t seem to happen. When the capo was removed, with unnecessary force, I saw the bloke with the funny haircut run from his position on the field to try and intervene/negotiate with the police, but alas to no avail. This moment changed everything. By that stage, the police, like the school bully had simply decided to pick a fight. That’s wrong. As a reasonable citizen, and seasoned football supporter, I changed from feeling a degree of safety with police to feeling threatened by them. After the game they aggressively stopped by 13 year old son from going to the toilet block and tried to usher him and his two buddies out the other way. After the game, outside the ground, some stewards were ushering people to Kogarah station. Really sensible that. Longer walk and incoming trains are already full? We walked down to Carlton and got the Special train which was good. There was nobody there directly people to platforms and it was tricky enough to work out which train was going where and what platform to go to. At Carlton station, a young bloke sprinkled some water on Sydney supporters below (in a way that an 8 year old kid would do at school)… a few robo-cops below ran up the stairs and smashed him up against the roller door before manhandling him with excessive force to the ground. It was uncalled for. And finally, it’s a long time since I’ve celebrated a goal like that. I thought we’d missed our chance with Cox moments earlier. But when that ball came over and Mitch rose like a hungry salmon. And the ball looped in what seemed like, real life, slow motion. And then smashed the net, in a way that was beautiful. I was a kid again. Football it’s the beautiful game.
  2. 14 points
    The stadium is ace, but I don’t get why (derby apart) you’d move from Kogarah, it’s about the right size, has ok transport and is in your core area most smurfs I talk to seem to prefer it to rattling round in a 1/4 full Allianz Why would you want to play in your rivals stadium (yes I get it’s government owned) I still find this NRL/AFL all teams play out of the same ground thing weird On the police thing like I said before fans acting like nobs isn’t a uniquely WSW thing and police and security poor treatment of fans isn’t a unique WSW thing either The cops kicked out a bloke and his disabled child at your game last year, for the crime of taking her to the closest toilet , they then followed him home Next day rather than an apology they go on Ray Hadley and attack him Take a lead from the tifo and unite
  3. 12 points
    I seriously don't get you, Hatty. I and others replied and gave voice to your son's awful experience (in the first telling there was no mention of him being upset by flares but idiots abusing him, so what is it?).. We don't condone or like it. Who were the guys, perhaps we'll go and sort them out for you?? Just as you can go and sort out the guys in your colours who are complete idiots. We hear you and agree. BUT, will you hear us? I shared the story of my son on match day and his very traumatic experience - HE DID NOTHING WRONG EXCEPT WEAR RED AND BLACK AND SING HIS GUTS OUT IN THE SUPPORTERS GROUP! I never condoned flares - they aren't needed but I do wonder where the security was at the ground. My son says it was very lax getting into the ground, so why was this so? If you think our issues with cops are incidental to the discussion or a distraction, read Cynth's post!!!! Better still put on a red and black shirt next time and see how it feels. Even you paint us all with the same tarred brush. The RBB give football a bad name... Complete and utter rubbish. There are a few idiots in our crowd (as there are in every crowd!!! - including yours) who are wild, or out of control or just push the boundaries and do stupid things. Young people, a bit of grog, lots of testosterone, a tribal experience and a sense of outrage... Our point, again, is that none of this helps. The cops revved things up and some people were tense, angry, afraid... and responded out of that condensed frustration and anger. I remember the infamous Perth game a few years ago. NOt knowing what had happend, my wife and I walked out afterwards, saw the riot police and their intense intimidating stares and actions and felt we had done something wrong. I felt the intensity and anger rise within me. I am old enough and 'wise'(??) enough to keep walking and not look at them or react - as they were wanting us to. I get that such a response is not likely, perhaps possible for younger people who may be in difficult places. The result? You and your son, other people, property... are impacted because the intense fear, anger and shame has to get out. We have had good experiences with the cops at BankWest this year - they have been laid back, engaging and de-escalated issues. That didn't happen Friday night and many people were left emotionally traumatised and physically hurt. Is that insignificant to you? Doesn't it sound like your son's experience? It wasn't these people's fault - THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!
  4. 12 points
    I highighted that troll bit because it's interesting. I don't think you're a troll, but I do think your opinion is miguided. I say that because of my experience last week. I went to the derby with a smurf mate. First time I've done that since our first season. This was my experience: Got off at Kogarah. Went to pub, had a meal, saw some fc fans walking by chanting **** off westie scum. Got to ground right on kick off, walked around, got a spot. Watched game. Saw flares, laughed at the booing. Saw RBB leave. Watched game. Left, went to another pub near Kogarah station. Two drinks, went home. Got home, read the SMH story about the RBB going out into the street and ripping flares as if they just left to run amok. Point is, had I not come on here, and had I not witnessed the intimidatory behaviour of cops before, my experience and what I am hearing from FOOTBALL "JOURNALISTS" would lead me to believe the RBB were hooligans and brought it all on themselves. In a similar vein, I was in Melbourne once with a dude who had never been to a game before - the one where there was a flare ripped and the Victory fans were booing for ages, it's on youtube - and he couldn't believe it when we got back to our accomodation and the Channel 7 news was saying that Melbourne fans "stormed out" because of the flare smoke, and then showed footage of fans leaving AT THE END OF THE GAME. My mate was like "you guys aren't just paranoid, they just make up stories". It's really amazing how perspectives are so different depending on your experience. Last week I was so jealous of everyone at the away end. I'd never swap the action we get for the boring hum-drum of the middle of the ground.
  5. 11 points
    That is just completely inadequate. If the club has had your evidence in their possession for 6 months, they should have provided it to the FFA to PREVENT the banning order. Shame on them!
  6. 10 points
    SomeGuy1977

    What Floats Your Boat 4

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  7. 10 points
    Keithie

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    You know what grinds my gears Sydney FC , what a bunch of arrogant Turds , Last week all we heard from the Turds was revenge, we want revenge , the first derby was stolen from us , etc: etc: they couldn't shut up all week Now this week is: We have moved on from that game in the scheme of things it meant nothing , Redmayne quote being 10 points in front allows us to be off our game at times but that game is forgotten we are focused now on the important game on Wednesday night, Geez I hope they get flogged again
  8. 9 points
  9. 8 points
    And then he immediately called up his lawyers to confirm they'd never have to be legally required to follow through. Active support has never recovered from De Bohun & Gallop's actions in and after those negotiations.
  10. 8 points
    marron

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Holy crap I just realised at my kids birthday party on the weekend we went through 5 rolls of toilet paper in a mummy wrapping competition.
  11. 8 points
    Contact Louie via twitter. He's attended meetings with the RBB & other active supporters groups together witth the FFA & is across the appeals process or lack thereof. Louie El Khoury 1,375 Tweets See new Tweets Following Louie El Khoury @EliaselkhouryEl Lawyer - Football Tragic Western Sydney, Australia counselco.com.auJoined April 2015 149 Following 157 Followers
  12. 8 points
    Whenever this stuff comes up everyone always talks about the culture of football, or of the RBB. No-one ever talks about the culture of the cops. They've been proven throughout the years to be corrupt, bullies and power-trippers. Yeah some of them are alright but they are far outweighed by knobs who love the power and authority. In fact, I'd argue that being part of that blue gang turns decent people into bullies and powertrippers. Having a badge doesn't automatically make you a good bloke. Just like wearing red and black and chanting and singing doesn't make you a hooligan.
  13. 8 points
    You're assuming cops in Sydney and Melbourne give a **** about anything but what they want. Cops view is they'll do whatever they want and if you get in the way we're going to take you out.
  14. 8 points
    Terrific post Boh. The liasing step is absolutely crucial and when things go wrong it is ALWAYS this step that has been ignored. Always. I get that it is harder when away, but seriously. How these riot police are employed and either clearly not getting, or ignoring, the brief, after all these years, is just inexplicable. Like Jaush said on the podcast, it's either intentional or negligent. And the thing is, everybody is reasonable who are in those liasing positions. The capo position, that's the person who can get everyone to calm down or whatever, and in our case, we've got one of the nicest most genuine and most reasonable fellas you could hope to have in that position - boh, your impression is spot on. But uninformed or ignorant cops just see "gang leader" and they are trained that if you take out the leader that's job done, I guess. Which is just bloody dumb; or, worse, they KNOW this and WANT to inflame things so some heads can be cracked.
  15. 8 points
    Good stuff @BohemianDublin You should send that fair & balanced post to the CEO of our club.
  16. 8 points
    Kitto

    Jokes

    At age 4 success is not peeing in your pants. At age 12 success is having friends. At age 16 success is having a drivers license. At age 20 success is having sex. At age 35 success is having money. At age 50 success is having money. At age 60 success is having sex. At age 70 success is having a drivers license. At age 75 success is having friends. At age 80 success is not peeing in your pants.
  17. 8 points
    StringerBellend

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    They are full of ****
  18. 7 points
    I didn't say they weren't lying...... - but if you got Bozza involved we've probably have a better chance than if the club alone is..... Bay 217 United !!!
  19. 7 points
    Im telling u hes talkin 💩
  20. 7 points
    MathyouWSW

    Alexander Baumjohann

    I'm glad I'm not the only one calling him OWEN FIVE, this was on the Smurfs forum:
  21. 7 points
    JackDoff

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    The problem with all these morons panicking , is that when you try and do your usual shop, nothing’s there, it’s all sold out. To calm down , I’m happily downing a Corona right now !
  22. 7 points
    FFS more comebacks than John Farnham. Yes we know you have a kid and there are thousands of kids at games, if you don't feel safe taking them to games (god knows why) then leave them at home. If you struggle to explain things to your son go get some help, explaining a flare is as easy as, its a flare, its illegal but some reckon it adds to the atmosphere, if they get busted they will get a 5yr ban, watch the game move on. There are elements of every active group that are dickheads, you have the Harbourside something or rathers that called out in between police lines and ended up chasing around a group of Wanderers supporters in Jubilee Pk with weapons after the game but we don't go on about it and the media doesnt want to know about it unless it is RBB or WSW so pull your head in and get a clue mate. And yes you are a troll, you get bored and decide to see what reaction you get, and when you get found out you go all over and out on us, just **** off and save us all the drama.
  23. 6 points
    Paul01

    David Squires Cartoons

    Good one this week David Squires ... on toilet tissue and panic buying in the A-League https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/05/david-squires-on-toilet-tissue-and-panic-buying-in-the-a-league?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
  24. 6 points
    Paul01

    Football Media Discussion 2

    The website Football Today closed yesterday. Sad day for independent football journalism
  25. 6 points
    Carns

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Just replace him with this guy
  26. 6 points
    Also, you generally need to be followed back by that person in order to DM them. Cynth, I hate to be the one (what seems like the only) to speak about the process itself. Those that have gone on to fight the appeals process head on have gone through a lengthy expensive & frustrating experience. You need a QC in order to represent you & can spend in order of 5-15k without getting very far. I’ve heard that the way it’s set up that the burden on those defending themselves & many people were accused without any evidence it’s been hard to fight it. Apparently that changed after the fan protests but I still haven’t met many people who were satisfied with the process that was established. In your case it looks like you’ve evidence proving that it wasn’t you. Hopefully the club can fight on your behalf & you won’t need to get any expensive lawyers involved. I really hope you get a speedy resolution & the club can actually help.
  27. 6 points
    I'd say there's 11 of 12 clubs that feel that way, including the Bulls
  28. 6 points
    Id like to see Cox score in this one - the chances now of us having a free kick and it rebounding off the post onto young and over the line are now much more remote than this time last week.
  29. 6 points
    Louie El Khoury @EliaselkhouryEl Replying to @Wandererstragic and @WestSydney No problem. I will look into it once she gets in contact. Sad state of events really. 7:42 AM · Mar 5, 2020·Twitter for Android
  30. 6 points
    That is horrible. I was at the Geelong game, about 100m behind the march thanks to food coming out late at the Away Pub and saw the police with your brother-in-law / nephew up against the fence when we caught up (after getting stuck behind the Police Horses). It was clear-as-day that they had nothing to do with the flare on the march. Stevie Wonder could have figured out they weren't involved. The fact that the club has done nothing and are acting like they want to help "after the ban goes through" is absolutely disgusting, poor management, and shows exactly where the club puts it's fans on the scale of importance.
  31. 6 points
    THEWANDERERSPOST

    AFC Champions League 2020

    lol Sydney, just lol.
  32. 6 points
    mack

    Football Media Discussion 2

    I tweeted at various club CEO's and asked them for a response, so far we have the Roar, Wellington, Sydney FC, Mariners, Newcastle's CEO's who all denied commenting.
  33. 6 points
    SomeGuy1977

    Off Topic Thread 4

    My daughter (Olivia) and 3 of her friends are doing The Greatest Shave next Friday. I know there are so many good causes out there that are in need of support, but if you have a few dollars burning a hole in your pocket, or even just a few words of encouragement for a group of 14 year olds, they'd love the support. https://secure.leukaemiafoundation.org.au/registrant/TeamFundraisingPage.aspx?TeamID=118145
  34. 6 points
    hughsey

    Football Media Discussion 2

    What a stupid article. There is not one single bit of evidence to suggest that other clubs are unhappy. Yes flares are illegal, no one is denying that but fmd move on. It’s quite sad that this time round it’s not the non-football media dragging things on, it’s our own football media...
  35. 5 points
    StringerBellend

    What Floats Your Boat 4

    I’m just going to steal it from the pub like I used to do in my student days
  36. 5 points
    He’s basically Sotirio without the work ethic Not a kid anymore, he’s got Central Coast Mariners welcomes Yeboah (2022) written all over him (after his season in Campbelltown)
  37. 5 points
    Cynth

    What Floats Your Boat 4

    Lol. http://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/03/05/your-iq-is-150-minus-the-number-of-toilet-rolls-you-have-in-your-house-right-now-/
  38. 5 points
    Smoggy

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Hope they got rid of that baldy headed drummer, he was shtye,
  39. 5 points
    I agree with banana. The RBB and other Wanderers fans are far from saints, but directly abusing a kid? Rubbish. Singing, chanting, looking at opposition supporters menacingly, yeah. Even some would happily have a scrap with other dudes (though many of those guys are gone now). But direct abuse of a child? Come on.
  40. 5 points
    marron

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    I haven't a SQUARE to SPARE
  41. 5 points
    Horus

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Yeah, went to buy a pack of pasta for the kids dinner and nothing...what a pack of arseholes
  42. 5 points
    Every pkt of bog roll comes with a complementary "Doomsday Preppers "DVD"
  43. 5 points
    alexd

    AFL Thread 2

    Oh no - what will the Chinese people do in its absence?
  44. 5 points
    Well, you could always do something better with your life than continue replying on an opposing teams forum.
  45. 5 points
    Smoggy

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    The only time i have bog roll concerns is when ordering a vindaloo and ensuring there is a new fresh roll chilling in the fridge ready to go.
  46. 5 points
    Smoggy

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    People panic buying bog roll to excess....idiots. Keep calm and carry on...
  47. 5 points
    I put our fitness down to a combination of, the cooler weather & not being over trained.
  48. 5 points
    StringerBellend

    Football Media Discussion 2

    No one seems to be addressing the issue of the “shot in the arm” for the A League was supposed to be the new teams, yet Western United wouldn’t by getting 4000 to a game, the crowds this year are pitiful. anyhow given the now serious shortage of toilet paper in the stores, football fans everywhere are now left with the important question “Is a Dom Bossi article worth wiping your Bum on?”
  49. 5 points
    Really hope we finally beat the Roar in this one.
  50. 5 points
    Hatty, your story is awful and there is no justification for anyone receiving that treatment - especially a child. As others have said there are a small group of people in every club's supporter base that are plain idiots or worse. I feel sad (angry) when anyone is exposed to vile treatment and abuse simply because they support a different club - this is only sport. So let me tell you my story - one about my son. I wasn't at the game. It is too hard to get to and the ground has difficulties with any decent crowd. My son is much older than yours. He is in his early 20's. He's a good kid who is passionate and loves football. He'd have been giving it to the SFC fans as much as they gave it back. He was in the midst of the RBB jumping and singing, just like your fans in the Cove - creating the fantastic atmosphere. A few idiots let of flares but the security were already intense and on very high alert. Towards the end of the match the police decided the capo should be removed for standing on a chair???!!! A large group went out in support of him and, my son one of them (he has a strong sense of right and wrong, what's fair and what isn't). They were outside when Duke scored. They jumped up and down and sang along with fans inside the ground. Then a line of Riot Squad police with horses and all the gear came walking towards them. They thought the police were just there to be a barrier but the police kept coming and didn't stop. They pushed many of the hundred or more people over - women, children, men... kicked some, hit some and stirred the more agro people up. He was scared and intimidated by this. They tried to ask one of the police what was happening and were abused by him. The abuse and intimidation didn't stop there but continued after they walked to the station and were waiting for friends. This, they believe, is because of the colour of their shirts. We come from Western Sydney and we are always portrayed as thugs, stupid, unemployed, hooligans... We are the ones who will be out of control. We will vandalise, hurt, terrorise and be public menaces because that's what 'Western Sydney people are like'. Now not everyone thinks like that but we are all tarnished with the same brush. Many people have grown up with a sense of being less than other parts of Sydney and they have a chip on their shoulder and react. Others are sick of being seen as inferior or different and they react - overreact. Football has been important for our communities because it is the game many of our broad range of ethnicities play and love. The RBB has united people of so many different backgrounds into a group of people who support their team like your Cove, with passion. My son, joined when he was a teenager and I was not sure about it. A few older fellows told me he'd be okay and they'd keep an eye on him. They did and he was. In fact there has never been any bother from anyone inside RBB, even the few idiots. The only trouble we have had is really from outside security people who do not understand football. He's old enough to give and take the over the top banter that was unfairly dished out to your son, but he isn't old enough not to feel threatened and intimidated by the police, whose job it is to protect citizens. I would like this conversation to broaden out and see that we are all tarred with the football brush and we are all 'football hooligans' according to the NRL/AFL biased media. Your mates and ours are all the same when it comes to those who do not understand and appreciate football and how fans sing and celebrate with passion. The few idiots who let off flares, those who attack people (those abusing your son and those who are violent in other ways!) and those who are the hooligans that help give us a bad name. None of this excuses the treatment your son received and I guess there are too many other such stories both ways. But for every terrible story there are hundreds of good ones where rival fans walk together and share good-natured rivalry, some excited and other disappointed by results. Both teams active supporters contributed to what looked like and felt an exciting and wonderful atmosphere. It is a pity that isn't the story we talk about and is in the news.
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