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  1. 13 points
    ALeagueFR

    What's wrong with WS Wanderers?

    For those who wanted, I translate my article into English with the link of it. Australia: the fall of the Wanderers Created by its supporters in 2012 and the only Australian club to have won the Champions League, the West Sydney franchise will end another season in anonymity and will not participate in the final phase of the championship. A slow drift from a forgotten history. January 25, 2019, the Western Sydney Wanderers publishes on its website the signature of the Australian international forward, Mitchell Duke. The latter declares: "I am twenty-eight years old, I want to be the leader of the club, I want to help lead and teach young players to grow and become footballers". A year and a half later, Duke left the club. He scored fourteen goals in twenty-six games, leaving a team once again without a captain and without a captain. Unparalleled beginnings In the suburbs of the city of Sydney, people are clinging to the idea of seeing the club at its highest point again and hanging a new trophy next to the 2013 Premiership, acquired in its very first season. But since the golden era, WSW has become a mid-table club whose only glory this year has been being the bête noire of local rival Sydney FC, inflicting its only two wins before the championship was interrupted by the COVID-19 pandemic. Still, the Wanderers' story is an incredible one. The club arrived in the A-League in 2012 and had Aaron Mooy or Shinji Ono on the field and Tony Popovic at the head of the group. Under Popovic, from 2012 to 2017, the club will captivate the hearts of some very special fans in the Australian landscape, with a culture close to the ultra movement in Europe that makes the WSW the second club with the most subscribers behind the Melbourne Victory and one of the biggest sellers of derivative products. Barely launched in the league, WSW has twice reached the play-off finals (2013, 2014), finished first for the first season contested (2012/13) and twice runner-up in the regular season. Better still, in 2014, its participation in the AFC Champions League makes it go down in history as the Wanderers win the title against the Saudis Al-Hilal. A more complicated season ensued (penultimate A-League, elimination in the group phase of the ACL, in the first round of the FFA Cup) before a rebound the following year, despite a defeat in the final of the championship against Adelaide United of Guillermo Amor and a course marked by a mythical match, the semi-final against the Roar, which saw the Wanderers lead three goals to zero in less than half an hour, pass in front in the second half, catch up on the wire, then win 5-4 in overtime. A match that perfectly symbolizes the Wanderers and their identity, summed up by the tifo of the fans for Popovic: "Success cannot exist without passion". Heart and Soul Tony Popovic was, without a doubt, the heart and soul of this club. Forced to deal with the recurring turnover of members in the A-League, he saw his team weaken over the years and the club fall in the rankings (sixth in 2017). Undoubtedly weary, and seeing players such as Terry Antonis and Kerem Bulut not kept, Tony Popovic ends his winning cycle by leaving the club a week before the recovery to try his luck in Europe, at Karabükspor (he will lead only nine games). Since then, however, the Western Sydney Wanderers have not been the same, as the club's supporters*, those who gather under the banner of the Red and Black Bloc, testify: "Popovic was a management maniac at the club and he made all the decisions, probably getting what he wanted in most cases and challenging the owners and the CEO. It worked and we won titles because everyone was on the same page. When Tony left, all these people in the club suddenly had to agree on how to make decisions and work together, but they failed miserably. It's a bit like Alex Ferguson who left Manchester United. A big fall. Unfortunately, we now have an owner who dominates everyone and makes the key decisions. Nobody wants to challenge that. It's simple, we need WSW to have a culture where people are empowered and agree on the same roadmap. If we have a CEO who is too afraid to think independently, it's time for a change. Bring back Lyle Gorman who wasn't afraid to pursue what he felt was best despite opposition from the owners. This is the problem pointed out by the fans, a manager who fails to manage a club and has been vegetating off the top of the board for four seasons. On a recurring basis, the best players at Western Sydney Wanderers do not play for more than one season or club and pursue their careers elsewhere, at other clubs in the league or abroad. Several cases over the years point to this mismanagement and the inability to retain the best to build around it: Chris Ikonomidis, Terry Antonis, Mitchell Duke, Alexander Baumjohann, played only one season or even one and a half. Ikonomidis went to Perth Glory with Tony Popovic, where he won the regular season title and played in a Championship final. Terry Antonis went to Melbourne's Big V and Alexander Baumjohann to rival Sydney FC. Both lifted national titles. Duke, on the other hand, got back in shape and landed a better contract abroad. "Recruitment at our club is a mess, we're handing out long-term contracts to average players while all the good players seem to leave almost as quickly as they arrive and Lederer doesn't pay to keep them. Since we won the Champions League, we haven't been able to find a top striker with a top team at the same time. We signed Oriol Riera, but the rest of the team was average to bad. When Brendon Santalab scored fourteen goals in 2016-17, the rest of the team barely managed to make it to sixth place". This instability is also symbolized by the captains' waltz, five in five years when the neighboring Sky Blues have only had four in ten years. Rediscover your identity It is important to remember that WSW is a special club. When the federation opens a new franchise in West Sydney, it implements an unusual strategy: appealing to future fans. Through online surveys and social networks, the future fans of the club can define the name, colors, location, but also the culture of the club, its style of play. It is this DNA that fans now invoke. Find a communication between all the members of the club (managers, fans, players...). A few days ago, the president Paul Lederer evoked in front of the press, a big clean-up in the administration of the club in order to separate from people who do not have their place. It remains to be seen if Lederer will activate the right levers, if he will be able to remember what makes the WSW identity to allow him to come back to the forefront. The leaders now have until December to demonstrate their willingness to once again make this club a place for soccer in Australia. A club that is probably the best in terms of passion, fervour, culture and dedication. Dedication that can't be bought, but built. End.
  2. 9 points
    Erebus

    What's wrong with WS Wanderers?

    Sure this isn't the Armageddon thread?
  3. 6 points
    Edinburgh

    Shannon Cole

    Good luck to him https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/meet-the-ex-socceroo-coaching-in-america
  4. 6 points
    sonar

    Melbourne Victory

  5. 5 points
    mack

    Squad Development 2019/20 Part 2

    It amazes me how naive some of our players are. That club finished dead last, only got saved from relegation by the fact relegation got cancelled for the season and have already gone through 3 managers, including sacking the previous manager after just 45 days. The new manager was appointed on the 8th, of course he's going to cancel any deals the last guy made. And in the end it doesn't matter if the contract gets signed, it has to be put into the FIFA TMS to be official. After what happened to Popa, no-one should be signing for any of the Turkish sides outside the big 3 istanbul clubs + trabzonspur.
  6. 4 points
    Kitto

    Jokes

    What do you get if you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
  7. 4 points
    billybob

    Off Topic Thread 4

    I must say that i agree Neverbloom. As much as i still love the club, i don't have the same excitement around game day, and i think this is down to a few things: Even before we left Parra for SOP, there were many people in the crowd who were there to chat and catch up instead of watching and being absorbed in the game The RBB. As great as everyone of those people are in creating the atmosphere, the impact has been slowly melting away. This was a huge reason for me becoming a member instead of just watching the team from afar Away fans - I used to love seeing the huge numbers of Victory and SFC fans filling into the north end of Parra Stadium. These numbers have dwindled away some what The football - for the last 3-4 years the football has not been exciting. This doesn't mean we don't win every game (but lets be clear, winning is better) but the games haven't had that excitement that we had in the early days. I am not one to worry about the club and what they do for me. I understand for some, this is important. I am just interested in being excited about turning up and watching my team every 2nd week. Look forward to hearing from other fans.
  8. 4 points
    Edinburgh

    Interesting Football Stuff.

    I suppose this could belong in one or more other threads, but here goes https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/45th-anniversary-of-first-women-s-asian-cup-highlights-australia-s-forgotten-football-history
  9. 4 points
    not true.........we hired a lot of coaches and changed our away jersey cololurs, we also teamed up with a pyramid scheme in herbalife so we have done things
  10. 4 points
    StringerBellend

    A-League Expansion Thread V3

    They've done no more or less than any other A League club. Our club has done sod all since about season 3
  11. 4 points
    mack

    A-League Expansion Thread V3

    Canberra'a A-League venture looks set to launch a licence bid in excess of $4 million to finally return Australia's top-tier to the capital. It's believed it's either be to buy the Central Coast Mariners or to form a completely new club. The Mariners licence is officially on the market with owner Mike Charlesworth reportedly wanting $4 million for it. But it's believed Canberra's A-League bid will announce on Tuesday they're willing to offer a figure in excess of that - potentially to relocate the Mariners, but it could also be to set-up the 13th A-League team. It's unclear whether they were looking to take over the licence next season or the following season. Their European financial backers have stood firm with the bid, despite Football Federation Australia overlooking them in 2018 when they announced a two-team expansion of the league. They instead went with Western United, who still haven't built their stadium, and Macarthur FC, who have been beset with turmoil despite not joining the A-League until next season. Macarthur has also had one of their major financial backers pull out. In contrast, the Canberra bid has Canberra Stadium as their home ground, their major backers have stood firm by the bid and they also have the support of the ACT government. Andrew Barr's government was willing to kick in $1.2 million every season to the Canberra bid to help bring elite men's soccer permanently back to the ACT for the first time since the demise of the Canberra Cosmos. The Cosmos played in the now-defunct National Soccer League for six seasons until they were excluded from the competition in 2001. The FFA assured Canberra they were the next cab off the A-League ranks back in 2018 and have repeatedly reinforced that statement. But it wouldn't be the first time the FFA has gone back on their word, with the ACT told the same thing back in 2009 when they missed out to the now Melbourne City - only for the FFA to then go with the Western Sydney Wanderers three years later instead. Canberra's A-League bid has also received the backing of former NSW Premier Morris Iemma. Iemma was part of the failed Southern Expansion A-League bid and is also a Football NSW board member. "If the FFA is minded to allow relocation of the licence, relocating it to the ACT would strengthen the A League and strengthen football," he said when Charlesworth announced he wanted to sell the Mariners almost three weeks ago. Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp was hopeful of keeping the Mariners on the Central Coast, but was open to relocation. The Mariners played two A-League games at Canberra Stadium in the 2016-17 season, but didn't receive enough support to make it worthwhile returning for a second campaign.
  12. 4 points
    wendybr

    What's wrong with WS Wanderers?

    ^^^ Thank you for sharing your article!
  13. 4 points
    wendybr

    Mental Health Thread 2

    Oh no! Well...parts of that post are good ,Kitto! It's good that you'll be operated on and will feel better soon!
  14. 4 points
    Kitto

    Mental Health Thread 2

    How we all doing? Turns out I have a golf ball sized tumour somehow nestled behind my knee cap. It's pushing on the nerves around it and causing mischief. Organised surgery for about three weeks time. It's not cancerous which is good but it's growing and I need to get it sorted out.
  15. 3 points
    Wanderboy

    A-League Expansion Thread V3

    I couldn't disagree more. They had a community. The created a genuinely decent game day experience. Sure, we had a part to play in that but they were fun even before we existed. They have been screwed by their owner, who wouldn't spend money. Sound familiar?
  16. 3 points
    Neverbloom

    Off Topic Thread 4

    thank you for the reply, the RBB are still fantastic but its not the same as it used to be but i do love the atmosphere they bring, i agree away fans used to make it fun, also i remember season one the first time we went to newcastle that was something special, seeing the food vendors faces when we started marching into the part of the stadium with the roof was special, the atmosphere is still amazing just not that level of amazing, i dont know when herbalife joined us but they are dodgy and not a huge fan of seeing them around maybe next season will bring excitement, at least if i tell myself that it has to be true one day i did feel some passion last season a few times but it wasnt common, the main fun i had last season was running into a couple of old friends during match day more than watching the matches but having not much passion for the wanderers has honestly made me feel like a fake fan
  17. 3 points
    Neverbloom

    Off Topic Thread 4

    not entirely sure where to put this(well i know where but i dont want to take over anyone's topic) but how do you all feel about the wanderers? honestly i just dont feel much, i have been hoping many things would reignite the passion i felt and it just didnt happen yet i am not a gloryhunter, in fact i signed up for the wanderers i thought we were going to be garbage but i was still all in, with depression passion rots and interests fade away, there are a few things i still feel passionate about but its not a long list just doesnt feel like the same club anymore and i dont know if that is my fault or if its the direction the club is taking but i know i should be passionate about the red and black but sadly it just doesnt happen, cant force passion, didnt need to try to force passion in the past still hope it magically becomes something i am passionate about but cant see how that would happen, was hoping going back to parramatta would make me feel more, doesnt feel like my club, somewhere i belong but again i am not sure if that is my own fault or the club becoming a lot less focused on its fans
  18. 3 points
    MistahCampoy

    A-League Expansion Thread V3

    We need the N2D in place then expansion will be easier if the FFA iron out this mess we have ATM. I think clubs will have to bite the bullet and take a loss on the license fee (Maybe they can sort it out with the FFA in term of some sort of buy back thing but only get a certain amount back over x amount of seasons) Say we hold off reg for 2 seasons but we promote two teams up from N2D so we can make it a 16 team comp then start reg. Plus it will give the AL teams some time to adjust and make sure they invest to stay up in the AL. We cannot hold back this sport any longer in this country, it was held back enough by Lowy/Gallop and fox..
  19. 3 points
    Prydzopolis

    Mental Health Thread 2

    Oh Kitto!! Just be grateful it isn’t cancerous, good with the bad I guess! Hope the surgery goes well! How are you battling on the other fronts @Kitto?
  20. 3 points
    MathyouWSW

    Interesting Football Stuff.

    Actually...this would have to be the worst...Cierny Balog Stadium. it's an amateur ground for TJ Tatran Cierny Balog The video below will explain it all: I guess if your team is losing during the first half, you can just hop of the train home.
  21. 3 points
    Davo

    Interesting Football Stuff.

    Good thing the Lowy's are out of football otherwise we'd have every club playing on top of a Westfield.
  22. 3 points
    Championship thread?, He'll be back in a year's time
  23. 3 points
    MathyouWSW

    Interesting Football Stuff.

    I think I found one of the most weirdest/absurd stadiums in the world. This is Vozdovac Stadium in Belgrade, Serbia. The stadium is a rooftop stadium which is built on top of a shopping centre. Capacity of the stadium is 5.175.
  24. 3 points
    MartinTyler

    A-League 2019/20 Finals Series

    I've also thoroughly enjoyed both games....the only sad part is that I haven't seen the Wanderers play with the same cohesion all season !!
  25. 3 points
    wendybr

    Off Topic Thread 4

    Shame there isn't an Australian Current Affairs Thread to put this, so I guess here will do. Michael Gunner 'very confident' Labor will retain government after NT election but CLP yet to concede http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-22/nt-abc-projects-labor-set-to-retain-government-nt-election/12586356
  26. 3 points
    MathyouWSW

    Picture needs a Caption

    It's Untitled checking someone FIFA rankings...
  27. 3 points
    Davo

    Squad Development 2019/20 Part 2

    Shame he never managed to attack any opposition players quite sharply.
  28. 3 points
    JackDoff

    Jokes

    I tried donating blood today , never again! Too many stupid questions “Who’s blood is it ?” “ Where did you get it from?” “ Why is it in a bucket? “
  29. 3 points
    Davo

    Football Media Discussion 2

    I think we all saw this coming.
  30. 2 points
    wendybr

    Off Topic Thread 4

    I pretty much agree with all you and Billy Bob have written, Goat. You cannot force passion. Even loyalty wears thin when you really aren't sure what you are being loyal to. No need to feel like a "fake fan", I don't think! Look at all those extraordinarily passionate early supporters who have drifted off from here....and perhaps away from the club. Of course they may still be supporters, but I'm not sure that all would be, from some of the departing comments I saw here. It IS NOT only about winning. I personally would find winning all the time a bit tiresome... seriously. And embarrassing. And greedy. To me you need tension and uncertainty in a game, elation when you win a nail biter, and disappointment to lose a game you nearly won, that could have gone both ways. You need more than one or two dazzling moments ( and not just from your own side) to make you feel engrossed. You need to see progress. You need to see continuity within the team, and feel connection. I can't say I've felt any of that for years. Passion and loyalty, largely have to be earned. It's not your fault it hasn't been.
  31. 2 points
    Kitto

    Mental Health Thread 2

    Good, real good actually. When I get closer to depleting my medication I'll go back to the gp. I'm going to cancel my next appointment with the psych since I didn't really felt like it all 'clicked', but I'll get a referral to someone else. On that thought, do I actually need a referral or should I just get some local recommendations (no idea where though)
  32. 2 points
    Neverbloom

    Animals/Pets thread

    i dont usually post about pets health problems because i dont want to depress people here(i'll just depress everyone in all my other posts ) but yesterday my dog was acting weird, restless and hiding under tables(when not restless), took her to the vet, i dont know what was wrong but she is back to her energetic annoying self now just nice to see one of my dogs recovering
  33. 2 points
    Neverbloom

    Mental Health Thread 2

    thank you, they are more harsh on the system then anyone with mental health issues but i still dont get why they focus on a few cases all of which are people with mental health issues murdering other people, i mean dont get me wrong i know these things happen but they are so rare compared to someone who just ends up killing themselves honestly i dont feel much stigma around my mental health issues as most people i have been friends with had their own mental health issues but for other people its just not a good look to focus on those people who murder others
  34. 2 points
    sonar

    Mental Health Thread 2

    Don't take it to heart....the media always do this sort of crap (and the ABC is not exception).....depicting everyone/anyone on benifits are dole bludgers etc......
  35. 2 points
    The man with the highest transfer rumor news lol.. Worth a marquee spot, i'm not too sure though i think he would still rip up the AL. I wonder if a real football god is going to grace us with his presence before he retires lol, gods gift to football as he would say it.. Zlatan!!! Muller should be coming back if all goes to plans, i don't think we have seen the best of him and hopefully JP can find some players that can fit well with him. Any news on Ziggys citizenship btw??
  36. 2 points
    Elrich Just played for Perth on winning team into the Finals , I don't know why we let him go mid season Well it had to happen Popa accused of Nepotism , is Popa favouring his 2 boys over better players ?
  37. 2 points
    We brought him back 2 years too late
  38. 2 points
    Wish we could've done something like this for when we signed Kamau, Tongyik and Elrich lol. Meant that we had 3 players signed by Gombau which restricted what Babbel could do.
  39. 2 points
    Wanderboy

    Squad Development 2019/20 Part 2

    Disgraceful tbh.
  40. 2 points
    PS Looking forward to Weds night tbh. Unlike some purists here, I like the finals. It's actually quite easy to take when you just want to see a close, hard fought contest, and you don't really mind who wins (altho there is one team you don't want to win - ).
  41. 2 points
    Edinburgh

    The Weather Thread.

    So, how's the pneumonia?
  42. 2 points
    EmMac

    Squad Development 2019/20 Part 2

    Omg thanks for that, I've just spent a blissful 20mins clicking on The Thick of it YouTube clips
  43. 2 points
    Midfielder

    Armageddon Thread

    I am happy to be proved wrong but SA, WA, NT, Tassie four months without a community case.... and you still see risk and the risk you see is akin to the USA ... I see a brilliant response by the state leaders which should allow these states to operate with less restrictions, with trade and travel allowed... There is also a risk of depression, violence against women increasing, male especially suicide, economic damage to small business... When you have gone over four months each .... I struggle to see the risk level you see... but I do see other risks... Also I see an increasingly divided society i.e. people with government type positions safe in any decisions made and those effected by these decisions now out of work and in many cases desperate .. and getting angry ... Its not like we are saying open up to QLD, NSW or VIC ... I am blessed to live in a paradise, with a semi tropical national park less than 4 meters from my front door, and I back onto a private reserve littered with tropical palms many over 400 years old and this leads onto Brisbane Waters and they are so clean and between my house and my out of work now neighbour we share a small 1.5 meter waterfall that pours out of an underground creek running under his house... my street has only five houses of which I am the second and at the end of the street the semi tropical national park wraps around both the houses and our private reserve... I can walk for hours from my front door, go swimming, sailing, from my back door.. all 30 minutes drive to where the M1 ends at Hornsby.... Why do I mention this because even in the worst of the lockdowns my life was hardly changed in fact we all got to enjoy our location better... but I can see the anger growing in a very humble, very kind, quite man with a huge intellect, worldly travelled ,,, I make it a point now of popping over with a beer just to talk .... even in the paradise we as neighbours share in a 1000% squared to the power of 1000% with like minded environmental people... many in business for themselves there is anger growing in those locked out of work, when after four plus months of no cases ... travel and other bans exists.... My neighbour who has had two days paid work since the lock down had to sell one of his cars, he personally has worked with now 8 people who have committed suicide ... his wife's brother who lives in Western Sydney ... they were telling us of someone they know who was badly bashed by he husband to the extend this guy stepped in [he is huge BTW and a Truck Driver and can handle himself] ... Depression, anxiety, fears, financial mental stress - on marriage- people- business are also medical issues etc, .... I am not saying its a free for all ... what I am saying we need realistic rules...
  44. 2 points
    How good is Fall Guys? Been playing it quite alot and loving it. I read somewhere they are trying to make it a cross platform game sometime soon.
  45. 2 points
    Edinburgh

    Squad Development 2019/20 Part 2

    Rename the thread The Dreaming
  46. 2 points
    The Squad Omnishambles omnishambles /ˈɒmnɪʃamb(ə)lz/ noun INFORMAL•BRITISH a situation that has been comprehensively mismanaged, characterized by a string of blunders and miscalculations. "anyone with five minutes to spare, a Maths GCSE, and a calculator could have averted the entire omnishambles by checking the civil servants' sums"
  47. 2 points
    Hopefully they are selling 3 centre backs, a left back, a couple of midfielders and a striker cheap, all cheap Crazy Crazy prices, buy one slow immobile centre back and get one free.. Pay cash and we'll throw in a left back that waves his hands around, but doesn' track his man
  48. 2 points
    wswnick

    What's wrong with WS Wanderers?

    If club knew how COVID was going to screw up any chance of a good replacement they may have kept Babbel
  49. 2 points
    Smoggy

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    My old grandad wouldn't touch parsta. Foreign muck he would call it..far too adventurous for him Chinese takeaway around the corner and he would get omelette and chips That generation I guess.
  50. 2 points
    mintoff

    Football Media Discussion 2

    There is no such soccer it is FOOTBALL, or league is RUGBY LEAGUE or union is RUGBY UNION, or AFL it got no other name just AFL or ping pong
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