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  1. 14 points
    The stadium is ace, but I don’t get why (derby apart) you’d move from Kogarah, it’s about the right size, has ok transport and is in your core area most smurfs I talk to seem to prefer it to rattling round in a 1/4 full Allianz Why would you want to play in your rivals stadium (yes I get it’s government owned) I still find this NRL/AFL all teams play out of the same ground thing weird On the police thing like I said before fans acting like nobs isn’t a uniquely WSW thing and police and security poor treatment of fans isn’t a unique WSW thing either The cops kicked out a bloke and his disabled child at your game last year, for the crime of taking her to the closest toilet , they then followed him home Next day rather than an apology they go on Ray Hadley and attack him Take a lead from the tifo and unite
  2. 12 points
    I seriously don't get you, Hatty. I and others replied and gave voice to your son's awful experience (in the first telling there was no mention of him being upset by flares but idiots abusing him, so what is it?).. We don't condone or like it. Who were the guys, perhaps we'll go and sort them out for you?? Just as you can go and sort out the guys in your colours who are complete idiots. We hear you and agree. BUT, will you hear us? I shared the story of my son on match day and his very traumatic experience - HE DID NOTHING WRONG EXCEPT WEAR RED AND BLACK AND SING HIS GUTS OUT IN THE SUPPORTERS GROUP! I never condoned flares - they aren't needed but I do wonder where the security was at the ground. My son says it was very lax getting into the ground, so why was this so? If you think our issues with cops are incidental to the discussion or a distraction, read Cynth's post!!!! Better still put on a red and black shirt next time and see how it feels. Even you paint us all with the same tarred brush. The RBB give football a bad name... Complete and utter rubbish. There are a few idiots in our crowd (as there are in every crowd!!! - including yours) who are wild, or out of control or just push the boundaries and do stupid things. Young people, a bit of grog, lots of testosterone, a tribal experience and a sense of outrage... Our point, again, is that none of this helps. The cops revved things up and some people were tense, angry, afraid... and responded out of that condensed frustration and anger. I remember the infamous Perth game a few years ago. NOt knowing what had happend, my wife and I walked out afterwards, saw the riot police and their intense intimidating stares and actions and felt we had done something wrong. I felt the intensity and anger rise within me. I am old enough and 'wise'(??) enough to keep walking and not look at them or react - as they were wanting us to. I get that such a response is not likely, perhaps possible for younger people who may be in difficult places. The result? You and your son, other people, property... are impacted because the intense fear, anger and shame has to get out. We have had good experiences with the cops at BankWest this year - they have been laid back, engaging and de-escalated issues. That didn't happen Friday night and many people were left emotionally traumatised and physically hurt. Is that insignificant to you? Doesn't it sound like your son's experience? It wasn't these people's fault - THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!
  3. 11 points
    I highighted that troll bit because it's interesting. I don't think you're a troll, but I do think your opinion is miguided. I say that because of my experience last week. I went to the derby with a smurf mate. First time I've done that since our first season. This was my experience: Got off at Kogarah. Went to pub, had a meal, saw some fc fans walking by chanting **** off westie scum. Got to ground right on kick off, walked around, got a spot. Watched game. Saw flares, laughed at the booing. Saw RBB leave. Watched game. Left, went to another pub near Kogarah station. Two drinks, went home. Got home, read the SMH story about the RBB going out into the street and ripping flares as if they just left to run amok. Point is, had I not come on here, and had I not witnessed the intimidatory behaviour of cops before, my experience and what I am hearing from FOOTBALL "JOURNALISTS" would lead me to believe the RBB were hooligans and brought it all on themselves. In a similar vein, I was in Melbourne once with a dude who had never been to a game before - the one where there was a flare ripped and the Victory fans were booing for ages, it's on youtube - and he couldn't believe it when we got back to our accomodation and the Channel 7 news was saying that Melbourne fans "stormed out" because of the flare smoke, and then showed footage of fans leaving AT THE END OF THE GAME. My mate was like "you guys aren't just paranoid, they just make up stories". It's really amazing how perspectives are so different depending on your experience. Last week I was so jealous of everyone at the away end. I'd never swap the action we get for the boring hum-drum of the middle of the ground.
  4. 10 points
    So as an update I have spoken to Louie who Taurus put me on to. Very knowledgeable and generous with his time. He was part of writing the current ban appeal rules. He said that once they issue a ban the FFA have to make the evidence they based their decision on available to the person and then give them right to appeal. The issue he said is that the FFA have chosen to interpret those rules in questionable ways at times. As far as our situation goes, my brother in law has now learnt that the FFA is claiming they have “evidence” that both my nephew and brother in law handled the flare which is impossible because they didn’t. Hatamoto is involved as the stadium security that handed the info to the FFA which is interesting as this event happened outside the stadium not inside. It’s all very confusing. At this stage we are weighing up whether to wait for the ban to be physically issued or raise hell about it now. I have received the relevant email addresses to send our concerns to at the FFA but of course no one was willing to talk to me when I rang. Our greatest concerns right now are two things 1/ the story seems to have grown bigger between the event and what the FFA are claiming making me think there has been some fabrication of evidence or chinese whispers at work. 2/ clearly a police report exists from the day stating my nephew and brother in law were picked up for lighting a flare. A false report that maybe will stay on record? What does this mean for my nephew in particular for his future.
  5. 10 points
    SomeGuy1977

    What Floats Your Boat 4

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  6. 9 points
    mack

    Brisbane Roar Pounce On Dismal Wanderers

    Looks like the team deciding to blame it on the hot weather. Never had that before in Australia during the A-League season. Once off must be.
  7. 9 points
    wswnick

    Squad Development 2019/20 Part 2

  8. 8 points
    Smoggy

    What Floats Your Boat 4

    When my great grandmother hit 100 in 1993 they local press came to the party and interviewed her and asked her that question....she had an interesting life and wanted a few quotes. She told them to bugger off. They wanted to put a party hat on her to take the photo...that wasnt going to happen either.... Then after that she asked if we were all buggering off because her program was starting on the telly soon.... There is a photo of all of us stood around her that made the paper with her looking well pissed off sat in the middle. If the secret of a long life is being a miserable sod i have it ******* nailed...
  9. 8 points
    I don't think I'm asking for much when I say, if the team played with half the heart Santa showed every time we took the field, we'd be top 2 or 3. We have the talent but no heart.
  10. 8 points
    And then he immediately called up his lawyers to confirm they'd never have to be legally required to follow through. Active support has never recovered from De Bohun & Gallop's actions in and after those negotiations.
  11. 8 points
    marron

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Holy crap I just realised at my kids birthday party on the weekend we went through 5 rolls of toilet paper in a mummy wrapping competition.
  12. 8 points
    Contact Louie via twitter. He's attended meetings with the RBB & other active supporters groups together witth the FFA & is across the appeals process or lack thereof. Louie El Khoury 1,375 Tweets See new Tweets Following Louie El Khoury @EliaselkhouryEl Lawyer - Football Tragic Western Sydney, Australia counselco.com.auJoined April 2015 149 Following 157 Followers
  13. 8 points
    That is just completely inadequate. If the club has had your evidence in their possession for 6 months, they should have provided it to the FFA to PREVENT the banning order. Shame on them!
  14. 7 points
    This is not the Western Sydney Wanderers way.... I did a load of half marathons between the age of 18 - 21, sometimes on plus 25c days and up hills, when you hit a hill you ran ******* harder and got your head down...you ******* dig deep until it hurts bad. Lack of graft was disturbing.
  15. 7 points
    I think this is one of those must win games. With games against ESFC, City, Perth to come after, 3 points tonight is invaluable .Drop points and it makes it harder with games against opposition higher on the table than us to come. Beat the Roar and we send a message.....'underestimate us at your peril' WSW to take 3 points. Don't care what we win by as long as we win.
  16. 7 points
    I didn't say they weren't lying...... - but if you got Bozza involved we've probably have a better chance than if the club alone is..... Bay 217 United !!!
  17. 7 points
    Im telling u hes talkin 💩
  18. 7 points
    MathyouWSW

    Alexander Baumjohann

    I'm glad I'm not the only one calling him OWEN FIVE, this was on the Smurfs forum:
  19. 7 points
    Whenever this stuff comes up everyone always talks about the culture of football, or of the RBB. No-one ever talks about the culture of the cops. They've been proven throughout the years to be corrupt, bullies and power-trippers. Yeah some of them are alright but they are far outweighed by knobs who love the power and authority. In fact, I'd argue that being part of that blue gang turns decent people into bullies and powertrippers. Having a badge doesn't automatically make you a good bloke. Just like wearing red and black and chanting and singing doesn't make you a hooligan.
  20. 6 points
    mack

    Brisbane Roar Pounce On Dismal Wanderers

    The Wanderers halted their trek towards the Top 6 with a game in Brisbane they figuratively failed to turn up for, being easily defeated 3-1 by the Roar. Brisbane started strongly and took the lead 4 minutes into the game with an absolute scramble on the penatly spot. After launching in a free kick the ball dropped to the floor and within a tangle of legs, the Wanderers defence couldn't get it clear and it fell to Scott McDonald and he turned and swept the ball past the dive of Daniel Lopar. The Roar were all over the visiting side and nearly doubled the advantage in the 20th minute. Jack Hingert turned inside onto his left foot and hit a hard strike that Lopar pushed away, and off the rebound the Roar reacted quickest, the cutback found Muratovic and thankfully for the Wanderers, he completely mucked up what would have been a tap-in. Western Sydney finally had their first shot on target in the 35th minute, Pirmin Schwegler took matters into his own hands striding forward into the Roar penalty area, played it to Simon Cox who laid it off for a strike on target for Duke, it fell straight into the arms of Jamie Young. McDonald scored a second after some abysmal defence from the Wanderers. A cross in front the left flanked found McDonald whose forward run wasn't picked up, and he made no mistake with a 6 yard tap in. Initial hopes that he was offside were denied by a VAR intervention that gave the goal the all clear. It was nearly 3-0 shortly before half-time, Jay O'Shea smacked the bottom of the goal post with a long range free kick. The start of the second half was better for the Wanderers, and they managed to pull a goal back in the 53rd minute. Mitch Duke was released down the left wing, he made a 40 yard run, beat Jack Hingert with a neat cut inside, and fired a low shot that deceived Young and saw the Roar keeper wrong footed and beaten. Matt Jurman, having spent the entire game with his head in the clouds, finally cost his team decisively in the 70th minute. Brisbane counter-attacked after the Wanderers lost the ball, Jurman ended up facing Brad Inman a long way from goal, Jurman waited until the attacking player was inside the penalty area before a dismal, lazy attempt at a tackle that was so poor it could appear intended to give away a penalty. He missed the ball completely, upending Inman to send Jay O'Shea to the penalty spot, which he duly converted for 3-1. The Wanderers pathetic night ended without troubling the Roar defence again after the goal, Patrick Ziegler compounded the poor display by getting a yellow card that sees him suspended for next week. The Wanderers are now 3 points behind 6th place Adelaide, and with matches against Wellington, Melbourne City, Sydney FC and Perth Glory all coming up in the last 7 rounds, this defeat may have crushed any hopes of a finals berth, and perhaps the chances of Wanderers interim coach Jean-Paul de Marigny taking the job permanently. The Wanderers next game is against Melbourne City on Saturday March 14 at AAMI Park. View full article
  21. 6 points
    Their penalty summed up the last three seasons of our football, lazy stupid pass to give the ball away idiotic tackle in the box
  22. 6 points
    Oh, I don't know about that, I'm sure Gallop got a bonus for screwing over the fans once again.
  23. 6 points
    Seems to be the case doesn't it. It will never happen with the current Administration of Football in Aus, but just once I would love for them to come out and say 'we back our fans who are innocent of any wrongdoing, prove to us they are guilty and we will take the appropriate action'
  24. 6 points
    Paul01

    David Squires Cartoons

    Good one this week David Squires ... on toilet tissue and panic buying in the A-League https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/mar/05/david-squires-on-toilet-tissue-and-panic-buying-in-the-a-league?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
  25. 6 points
    Paul01

    Football Media Discussion 2

    The website Football Today closed yesterday. Sad day for independent football journalism
  26. 6 points
    Carns

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Just replace him with this guy
  27. 6 points
    Also, you generally need to be followed back by that person in order to DM them. Cynth, I hate to be the one (what seems like the only) to speak about the process itself. Those that have gone on to fight the appeals process head on have gone through a lengthy expensive & frustrating experience. You need a QC in order to represent you & can spend in order of 5-15k without getting very far. I’ve heard that the way it’s set up that the burden on those defending themselves & many people were accused without any evidence it’s been hard to fight it. Apparently that changed after the fan protests but I still haven’t met many people who were satisfied with the process that was established. In your case it looks like you’ve evidence proving that it wasn’t you. Hopefully the club can fight on your behalf & you won’t need to get any expensive lawyers involved. I really hope you get a speedy resolution & the club can actually help.
  28. 6 points
    I'd say there's 11 of 12 clubs that feel that way, including the Bulls
  29. 6 points
    Id like to see Cox score in this one - the chances now of us having a free kick and it rebounding off the post onto young and over the line are now much more remote than this time last week.
  30. 6 points
    Louie El Khoury @EliaselkhouryEl Replying to @Wandererstragic and @WestSydney No problem. I will look into it once she gets in contact. Sad state of events really. 7:42 AM · Mar 5, 2020·Twitter for Android
  31. 6 points
    That is horrible. I was at the Geelong game, about 100m behind the march thanks to food coming out late at the Away Pub and saw the police with your brother-in-law / nephew up against the fence when we caught up (after getting stuck behind the Police Horses). It was clear-as-day that they had nothing to do with the flare on the march. Stevie Wonder could have figured out they weren't involved. The fact that the club has done nothing and are acting like they want to help "after the ban goes through" is absolutely disgusting, poor management, and shows exactly where the club puts it's fans on the scale of importance.
  32. 6 points
    The whole Kogarah Derby thing was interesting. Having special trains to/from Central was good, although it seemed not too many people actually used them. The police were hopelessly prepared and briefed. It was as if they had no idea how to manage crowds. There were a few at the station, when we arrived, but not many as we walked down the road. Rather than let large crowds gather at corners near the station… maybe stop traffic when the train comes it and let the crowd move as quickly as possible to the ground? Luckily supporters, for both teams, were in good spirits and seemed to just want to get into the ground. I’d never been to the ground before, and it seemed like I wasn’t the only one, so it was odd that nobody seemed to be directing people to gates. Information was poor. There were no bag searches on the way in – well there were a few, but they were hopelessly inadequate. The seating arrangements are what they are, but I’ve still no idea where I was supposed to go? Every man for themselves? The big hill? The narrow row of seats? Loads of folk seemed unsure. I had 3 x 13 year olds who wanted to be with the RBB. Terrible view. It would be impossible to sit down and watch the game. The seats were never intended to view a game with 1m high advertising boards surrounding the playing area. So it would be perfectly reasonable for spectators to stand-up, and smaller ones standing on seats. It was odd that the hill behind the RBB was blocked off and only had 20 or so police. It would have been a better area to view the game. The fence around that ground is simply not fit for purpose. It’s old and dangerous. The section near me was held on with a few tek screws. In the second half, I feared the whole thing giving way, like the issue at Blacktown FFA Cup game a few years ago. I got the 3x 13 year olds to move slightly back. I felt a major safety issue was avoided, because a few hundred RBB supporters had left the ground just before the goal was scored. I don’t know the capo, but he has always seemed like a very reasonable guy. I saw him there with what looked like a wife and kid the other week. If I was the head of security arrangements, he’d be the very bloke I’d want to know and liaise with. I saw him asking people, on the megaphone thing trying to get people to get down from standing on seats both at Kogarah and Geelong. [at Geelong, it worked, albeit that there was a smaller crowd.] I’ve always thought he’s got the balance right of being a capo, passionately driving support for our team, whilst also doing the right thing. If I saw him at the pub I’m buy him a beer. If you want to inflame a situation, you march 15 police to block views and stand in a menacing pose in front of, at that stage, a light humoured crowd. So it seemed to me that once the police posturing happened, the police were escalating the issue, which is the opposite of what I thought they were there for. I’ve always thought the Supporter Marshalls to be a good thing and the 4 or 5 regulars seem like good guys, especially the really big guy and the bloke with the funny haircut. If I was the senior police officer on duty, I’d be using these guys the way there were intended – as liaison people. This didn’t seem to happen. When the capo was removed, with unnecessary force, I saw the bloke with the funny haircut run from his position on the field to try and intervene/negotiate with the police, but alas to no avail. This moment changed everything. By that stage, the police, like the school bully had simply decided to pick a fight. That’s wrong. As a reasonable citizen, and seasoned football supporter, I changed from feeling a degree of safety with police to feeling threatened by them. After the game they aggressively stopped by 13 year old son from going to the toilet block and tried to usher him and his two buddies out the other way. After the game, outside the ground, some stewards were ushering people to Kogarah station. Really sensible that. Longer walk and incoming trains are already full? We walked down to Carlton and got the Special train which was good. There was nobody there directly people to platforms and it was tricky enough to work out which train was going where and what platform to go to. At Carlton station, a young bloke sprinkled some water on Sydney supporters below (in a way that an 8 year old kid would do at school)… a few robo-cops below ran up the stairs and smashed him up against the roller door before manhandling him with excessive force to the ground. It was uncalled for. And finally, it’s a long time since I’ve celebrated a goal like that. I thought we’d missed our chance with Cox moments earlier. But when that ball came over and Mitch rose like a hungry salmon. And the ball looped in what seemed like, real life, slow motion. And then smashed the net, in a way that was beautiful. I was a kid again. Football it’s the beautiful game.
  33. 5 points
    I mean, there's not much point in looking at that statement as evidence for what they do. It wasn't worth the air it took for Gallop to say it anyway.
  34. 5 points
    marron

    What Floats Your Boat 4

    Reminds me of that old gag. "Ruth, you're a hundred years old today. Tell me, what's your secret?" "I knocked over bank in '47."
  35. 5 points
    scarcev

    Brisbane Roar Pounce On Dismal Wanderers

    We were awful made Roar look like Barcelona. It must be said we were missing some cattle so a lot of our normal attack down the wings was gone as Russell and Cordier had enough trouble defending let along pushing up. Hard to blame them though we were terrible across the park with Lopar and Muller the only two who deserve to be paid. JPM also needs to take that loss on, its easy to get them up for a Derby or the week after your coach is sacked but it’s up to the Coaching staff to get them up for these games. It’s the same 3pts we were playing for last week. Not sure if the 6 is gone but regardless we were only going for the extra week anyway.
  36. 5 points
    Ok now this feeling is more familiar... Normal service has resumed.
  37. 5 points
    And I was silly enough to start planning next week and Ballarat a couple of weeks later, but bugga that after this disgrace. And who said we have great kids coming through , Cordier looked like he was at a jogging carnival and Russel was beaten hands down time after time, I have never seen a team get behind our defense down the wing like this mob from QLD did tonight , kids are average soccer players NPL2 standard and no better.
  38. 5 points
    We had some bad performances.this season but this tops them. We played with 3 players Lopar, Muller and Duke.....the rest could have stayed in Sydney (that's including the coaching group) Looks like the only joy we will get this season is knowing we beat the Smurfs...that's it Not much more to say
  39. 5 points
    McGowan as much to blame, if not more, than Jurman.
  40. 5 points
    We're are so bad tonight that I'd rather watch Kosmina's hair.
  41. 5 points
    That performance felt like I'd walked out of woolworths without any big rolls
  42. 5 points
    If we win tonight I reckon the buzz we haven't had since season 4 will be back for a lot of people. A loss tonight will be so gut wrenching after the high of last week. A month ago we lose this hands down, so at least I have optimism. I reckon we win 3-0 send a statement! WSW are back.
  43. 5 points
    StringerBellend

    What Floats Your Boat 4

    I’m just going to steal it from the pub like I used to do in my student days
  44. 5 points
    He’s basically Sotirio without the work ethic Not a kid anymore, he’s got Central Coast Mariners welcomes Yeboah (2022) written all over him (after his season in Campbelltown)
  45. 5 points
    Cynth

    What Floats Your Boat 4

    Lol. http://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/03/05/your-iq-is-150-minus-the-number-of-toilet-rolls-you-have-in-your-house-right-now-/
  46. 5 points
    Thanks Prydz, as much as this post is depressing I really appreciate the knowing what the reality is. It’s not fair. It’s likely my brother-in-law will just give away his foundation membership and that of his two boys if that’s the case. On an interesting note I got a message back from Bozza saying he will get to it as soon as possible. Not sure what that means.
  47. 5 points
    Smoggy

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Hope they got rid of that baldy headed drummer, he was shtye,
  48. 5 points
    JackDoff

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Let’s not worry about toilet paper for a moment.....I’ve just read on an Italian website that Genesis is reforming... housewives everywhere will be rejoicing... yeah come at me I’ve had a few vb’s n hangin for a slanging match!
  49. 5 points
    mack

    What Really Grinds My Gears 5

    Went to the shops today, first thing I see getting out of the elevator is woolies employees going the other way with a cart full of them. None left in the store. No pasta, water or flour either. And of course once I finished and got to the checkout the first person who came in behind me had one pack of toilet paper. They must have bought out a new pallet right when I was heading to the checkout. My brother works for Coles hopefully he can get some after his shift tonight.
  50. 5 points
    Hatty, your story is awful and there is no justification for anyone receiving that treatment - especially a child. As others have said there are a small group of people in every club's supporter base that are plain idiots or worse. I feel sad (angry) when anyone is exposed to vile treatment and abuse simply because they support a different club - this is only sport. So let me tell you my story - one about my son. I wasn't at the game. It is too hard to get to and the ground has difficulties with any decent crowd. My son is much older than yours. He is in his early 20's. He's a good kid who is passionate and loves football. He'd have been giving it to the SFC fans as much as they gave it back. He was in the midst of the RBB jumping and singing, just like your fans in the Cove - creating the fantastic atmosphere. A few idiots let of flares but the security were already intense and on very high alert. Towards the end of the match the police decided the capo should be removed for standing on a chair???!!! A large group went out in support of him and, my son one of them (he has a strong sense of right and wrong, what's fair and what isn't). They were outside when Duke scored. They jumped up and down and sang along with fans inside the ground. Then a line of Riot Squad police with horses and all the gear came walking towards them. They thought the police were just there to be a barrier but the police kept coming and didn't stop. They pushed many of the hundred or more people over - women, children, men... kicked some, hit some and stirred the more agro people up. He was scared and intimidated by this. They tried to ask one of the police what was happening and were abused by him. The abuse and intimidation didn't stop there but continued after they walked to the station and were waiting for friends. This, they believe, is because of the colour of their shirts. We come from Western Sydney and we are always portrayed as thugs, stupid, unemployed, hooligans... We are the ones who will be out of control. We will vandalise, hurt, terrorise and be public menaces because that's what 'Western Sydney people are like'. Now not everyone thinks like that but we are all tarnished with the same brush. Many people have grown up with a sense of being less than other parts of Sydney and they have a chip on their shoulder and react. Others are sick of being seen as inferior or different and they react - overreact. Football has been important for our communities because it is the game many of our broad range of ethnicities play and love. The RBB has united people of so many different backgrounds into a group of people who support their team like your Cove, with passion. My son, joined when he was a teenager and I was not sure about it. A few older fellows told me he'd be okay and they'd keep an eye on him. They did and he was. In fact there has never been any bother from anyone inside RBB, even the few idiots. The only trouble we have had is really from outside security people who do not understand football. He's old enough to give and take the over the top banter that was unfairly dished out to your son, but he isn't old enough not to feel threatened and intimidated by the police, whose job it is to protect citizens. I would like this conversation to broaden out and see that we are all tarred with the football brush and we are all 'football hooligans' according to the NRL/AFL biased media. Your mates and ours are all the same when it comes to those who do not understand and appreciate football and how fans sing and celebrate with passion. The few idiots who let off flares, those who attack people (those abusing your son and those who are violent in other ways!) and those who are the hooligans that help give us a bad name. None of this excuses the treatment your son received and I guess there are too many other such stories both ways. But for every terrible story there are hundreds of good ones where rival fans walk together and share good-natured rivalry, some excited and other disappointed by results. Both teams active supporters contributed to what looked like and felt an exciting and wonderful atmosphere. It is a pity that isn't the story we talk about and is in the news.
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