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  • The FFA's Punishment For Perth Glory Is Woefully Inadequate


    mack

    Perth Glory's salary cap cheating punishment of a $269,000 fine & being banned from the A-League final series is completely inadequate, and should see Perth expunged from this season's records, Damien de Bohun should be sacked for his role in allowing the situation to turn out how it has, and the FFA need to rebuild the salary cap so players can be paid centrally, with more flexibility in squads & payments, while removing the rorts and additional payments that allowed Perth to breach the cap by so much.

     

    When Perth "Glory" started this season, they played with a squad comprised of players on contracts that would have left them over the end of season $2.55 million salary cap. After signing high profile players such as Mitch Nichols, Youssouf Hersi, Andy Keogh, Richard Garcia and Ruben Zadkovich, questions were raised about their adherence to the salary cap that were only temporarily quietened by the shifting of Nebosja Marinkovic & Michael Thwaite to the so called "marquee" contracts. Damien de Bohun spoke out in defence of the Glory, talking about how it was a 'dynamic' situation and that he had 'no concerns'.

     

    My first thought when this happened was that neither of these players should be considered 'marquee' players, and that the FFA should have stepped in immediately to investigate the Glory. Instead, Damien de Bohun rubber stamped the change, one that supposedly left Perth on a forecast of $50,000 under the cap, and he even gave a few choice quotes about how he had 'no concerns' about the club breaching the cap. Additional reports showed the club rorting the cap as long ago as the 2010/11 season by having the laughable situation of Robbie Fowler being listed as sharing a house with Steven McGarry... a house just happened to be owned by Tony Sage, the Perth Glory owner. Neither player was ever actually living there of course. Ryo Nagai was listed as living at the club office when he was actually living at a location owned by a person affiliated with the club, while getting paid over $20,000 in accommodation costs.

     

    Perth declared after these initial reports they had not breached the cap. They now still deny they have despite the overwhelming evidence.

     

    Several months after Damien de Bohun gave Perth the all clear, his boss David Gallop reported to the media today that Perth would be banned from the final series because of a salary cap breach of over $400,000. At least 6 players were involved and it was determined that Perth had deliberately cheated by hiding these payments. In addition to the breaches in this season, Perth also failed to disclose $69,000 of payments in the past two seasons. Their total fine is $269,000 for three seasons of breaches.

     

    This should be the end of De Bohun. His substandard performance in his role, his destruction of the embryonic attempts at creating an active support culture for the Australian national team, has now been compounded by his bungling "nothing to see here" initial reaction to a situation that should have see De Bohun immediately launch a full investigation. Instead, he not only ignored the situation, he actively defended Perth until a whistle-blower stepped forward and tipped off the FFA to begin an actual investigation. He has no credibility left and must go.

     

    The punishment for Perth is not enough. It is a weak punishment that isn't in keeping with the scope of their long term systemic cheating of the salary cap.

     

    Perth should be expunged from the record of this season. They should not be dropped to 7th at the end of the season, they should be dropped off the ladder entirely. It should be as if we had a 9 team competition.

     

    Tony Sage should be stripped of his license. Perth have become an even bigger joke year on year under his leadership, but at least previously their circus had never really impacted on more than just their position on the ladder.

     

    The first action of the new FFA ownership should be to sack all the staff affiliated with the breaches, and to withdraw the contracts of the players who greedily accepted payments going to their family members. FFA should immediately begin work to create a community owned club, as yet another ultra-rich owner using his club as a plaything and either taking his hands off the wheel and letting it crash, or being complicit in a massive salary cap breach. The time of the rich magnate is at an end. All future clubs should start as FFA owned then transition to a community owned club with 51% control over the club.

     

    I would seriously investigate winding down the club and putting an end to this tainted brand. The heads of Tony Sage, the players who took this money, and the management of the club involved should hang in shame, having bought both the club and the league into disrepute at a time when we are starting to look toward a longer term sustainable future along with a regeneration of our national team.

     

    The PFA need to make a full disclosure about what they knew about the contracts, and if they at any point had any knowledge about payments that are clearly the kind that risked clubs going over the cap. Instead of doing anything to ensure their members get paid regardless of contractual obligations or the rules, they must now start a process where their own members can report such attempts at subversion of the cap, and to immediately bring them to the attention of the FFA. So far all the PFA have done is released a statement telling the players they can get off scot free, walk out on their clubs and go sign for another club.

     

    To prevent this from ever happening again the FFA need to rework the salary cap rules. All contracts should be centrally paid by the FFA, and the range of rorts and perks that Perth have used and appear to believe were legitimate, and may in fact be legitimate for other clubs if used within the cap, should be simply put, outright banned. Attempts to subvert the cap must result in the club ownership, club management both football wise (vested in a technical director and/or club head coach) and in the office (CEO, financial officers and suchlike) being severely punished and being banned from involvement in football.

     

    I believe that this change will require a raise in the cap to improve the contracts to a level that are roughly equivalent to the method that exists now. These reforms should also be taken as a chance to lower the salary cap floor, to remove minimum payment and remove squad caps to give clubs the ability to sign more players on cheaper contracts that better reflect their ability and situation, while still having the ability to sign high quality players.

     

    The Western Sydney Wanderers went into this season knowing their A-League squad could only ever be comprised of their youth league players and the 26 men who made up the first team squad. The Wanderers could not start the season by having Kearyn Baccus in from the start to put pressure on Vitor Saba. We might have been able to sign Bulut earlier. We weren't able to offer a contract to Jerrad Tyson to provide 3 way competition in the goalkeeping position. We couldn't retain our captain Michael Beauchamp. Or Aaron Mooy. Or Rocky Visconte.

     

    Instead we had to wait until our players was hurt. Any additional players outside injury replacements are only able to play in the Asian Champions League, waiting until another of our players got hurt or had to be released. We won the Asian Champions League despite these limitations, but our domestic season was badly hurt by fatigue, and without a wider squad that can cope with the higher demand, their performance on the pitch suffered.

     

    Perth went into this season not only having no ACL commitments, but went on a spending spree, cheating their way to assembling a squad that went through to the FFA Cup final (which ironically featured Perth complaining that Adelaide getting the home final was not 'fair'), and was challenging for the Premiership.

     

    Western Sydney faced Perth twice this season so far. On both occasions, dozens of Wanderers supporters spent hundreds of dollars to go to Perth, myself included. We watched our team lose both times, to a team who cheated. On both occasions, Perth played effectively full strength but illicitly acquired squad, comprising the likes of Andy Keogh (alleged to have been paid up to half of his $300,000 wages through his wife), Marinkovic, Thwaite, Vukovic, Sidnei, Dino Djulbic, Hersi, Daniel De Silva & Garcia.

     

    We lost each game by a goal.

     

    Our punishment is that we will finish below a team who cheated.

     

    That is a disgraceful way to end the season.

     

    I call on the Wanderers to tell Perth to get stuffed and to play a charity match as our final game of the season. What are the FFA going to do? Take points away? "Adjust" our position to 10th, assuming we don't end up there anyway?

     

    I also call on the club to immediately release a statement confirming that the club either does not use these tricks and rorts, and if they are using them, that they are 100% certain that there is no chance that the club will breach the cap now or in the future.

     

    Supporters deserve better than one of the clubs in the league destroying the credibility of the season in such a fashion.

     

    I hope that our team is never ever put into this situation by the management.


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    A seventh place finish is mystifying - does that mean the Mariners, Jets and Wanderers didn’t suffer?

    Muddying the waters still further is the punishment dealt out to Sydney FC for cap breaches in season one - yet imposed only in season two. Sydney received a substantially lower sanction (three points deducted, plus a fine of $129,000), even though they are widely believed to have exceeded the cap by a “six-figure†sum.


    Otherwise - and working on the basis of “if you cheat, you cheatâ€- then if Glory are out of the finals, shouldn’t Sydney be stripped of their season one title?


     

     

     

    My points exactly, well said Mr Hill!

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    Smurfs weren't trying to hide the breach or circumvent the regulations. It also wasn't half a million bucks. From what I know the smurf breach didn't allow them to sign anyone extra, just that their players collectively got paid for cap liable work without actually doing the sponsor work because of their match commitments.

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    Here's a curveball for ya lol

     

    if the Glory had won the FFA Cup against Adelaide, should they be able to keep it? 

     

    There's no Salary Cap for the FFA Cup so I would say yes they should (had they won it.)

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    I'd like to know why the **** they've even been given a chance to appeal? They cheated, they're guilty as sin. All it's gonna do is drag it on way longer than what it needs to be.

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    FFA has no interest investigating salary cap breaches. What happened over the last three years happened on Gallop's watch. Gallop and DeBohun would effectively investigate themselves.

     

    Just watch: soon will learn about an ethics committee, spearheaded by Westfield Frank, who is going to provide us with same Blatterism.

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    We should consider breaching the Salary Cap, maybe we we can still finish = 7th this yr :nono:

    This was an underrated post, we could've kept Mooy for $529 000 and finished 7th with a stronger fan base at the end of the season. Not to mention walked through this ACL group stage and FFA Cup.

     

    The crime is assembling an illegal squad to compete in games that the whole country analyzes and makes allegiances upon. How many fair weather friends have we lost by being bottom of the table this season? How much worse are our ACL ticket sales? How much less merchandise did we sell?

     

    By being $X00 000 over the cap and being fined $229 000, Perth have been fawned over and respected all season while qualifying for the FFA Cup final. While we have been on the receiving end of backhanded comments and sledges while maintaining our morals.

     

    Seems like they breached the cap and got fined a fraction of the money they made while we lost revenue on multiple fronts.

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    I'd like to know why the **** they've even been given a chance to appeal? They cheated, they're guilty as sin. All it's gonna do is drag it on way longer than what it needs to be.

     

    Nothing wrong with appealing a decision in my eyes. It would've been good if that same rule applied to all the banned fans across the country though.

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    Simon Hill made a good point on the Fox podcast yesterday, saying doesn’t matter how much or when they did, they cheated in the end.

    He even said Sydney should be stripped of their title in 2005 as they went over it and the amount should be no factor, you go over then you cheated so you will should be on the floor (last place)

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    Simon Hill made a good point on the Fox podcast yesterday, saying doesn’t matter how much or when they did, they cheated in the end.

    He even said Sydney should be stripped of their title in 2005 as they went over it and the amount should be no factor, you go over then you cheated so you will should be on the floor (last place)

    Apparently another breach notice today - does that mean they'll take all their points and we'll miss the spoon :) ?

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    According to the ABC:

     

    "If Glory are found guilty of the latest allegations, they can be fined and/or docked competition points going into next season."

     

    It would make more sense to just strip them of all their points and finish them in dead last with zero points for this season. Spend the off season getting them back under the cap and then starting off fresh next season.

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    So lets recap:

     

    Victory fans are jaded after being screwed out of fan ownership.

     

    Jets fans are jaded after Tinkler spunked his fortune up the wall.

     

    Sky Blues fans are jaded after Arnold assembled a defensive team.

     

    City fans are jaded after Villa walked out not even halfway through his contract.

     

    Mariners fans are jaded after their club went skint.

     

    Wanderers fans are jaded after being lumped with the schedule from hell.

     

    Glory fans are jaded after their management was caught cooking the books.

     

    So the FFA remaining possible friends are Roar fans, Phoenix fans, Reds fans and Socceroos fans. God help them

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    lol at the glory fans giving it to there active support for protesting. saying you need to support the players and your letting them down and secondly sage isnt responsible he didnt know??

    firstly you support the club not the players no player or players are bigger then the club and the club is who have let them down so they have every right to protest, and two sage owns the club he knew what was going on and if he didnt he deserves to be dropped anyone.

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    lol at the glory fans giving it to there active support for protesting. saying you need to support the players and your letting them down and secondly sage isnt responsible he didnt know??

     

     

    LOL, I wasn't aware that Perf had active support. :xbop:  

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    FFA welcomed Perth Glory’s announcement which will bring resolution of the matter. As the matters related to the third foreshadowed Show Cause notice were of the same nature and fall within the same period covered by the current sanction it has determined no further sanction will be applied.

    Read more at http://www.a-league.com.au/article/joint-statement-ffa-and-perth-glory-fc/rsewxeo5xu3g1kiskfb883mde#35UpTOSP7g3dpgEq.99

    :nono:

     

    Isn't the fact thet found another example of Perth Glory cheating that they should face further sanction? Or is the fact they have found (& fired) the person solely responsible (Ex-CEO Brewer) who was the only one who knew about the breaches/deception, so it's okay now? This whole saga is a joke! The FFA really need to look at themselves here, truly is pathetic!

     

    Euro snobs - jaded by a league existence.

     

    I hate those people more than East Sydney fc fans....
    We all start somewhere, I was a eurosnob before WSW & I'm sure there are plenty of new supporters of the league if we can turn them!
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    As a WSW fan I want further sanctions.

     

    As a football fan I don't want appeals and an ongoing saga for the next two years. We've a scapegoat and compliance. That'll do. I was worried that a precedence has been set. Bugger the precedence, get Gallop on the media. If this happens ago, you are rooted. To all.

     

    Nothing more funtabulous than turning a eurosnob.the process that is.

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    The only way to effectively stop salary cap cheating is to publicly disclose the players salaries, (Like the MLS)

     

    That way if your being paid $100K to yourself, $50K to you're wife, and given a $50K car, 
    however only publicly listed as $140K, 
    The player and their agent then knows that something is not right.

    And if a player wants to also cheat and play along with the cheating owner, then they run the risk of being caught and receiving a life ban from the competition. I don't think that FIFA would agree with life ban from football all together.

    It's the same as match fixing or spot fixing, 99% of players don't do it because of the risk, 

    If the same was applied with the salary cap, then that would stop all cheating....

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    The Tax Department will be interesting in the returns lodged by the Perf players in coming months  :grouphug:

    If I was a player and I was being paid via many various methods, 

     

    The ATO would be my major concern...

     

    The players are not innocent in this, they should share some responsibility.. 

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    Euro snobs - jaded by a league existence.

    I hate those people more than East Sydney fc fans....

     

     

    Give me 1 good reason why these so called "eurosnobs" should support and attend A-League games?

    taking into considerations that there are people being banned with no appeal for no reasons,

    give me 1 good reason why they should spend their hard earned money to attend a comp where the leaders run the comp like a dictatorship?

    everyone that got bans before the Asian cup, where also banned form Asian cup as well.

     

    as far as I am concerned, they aren't doing anything wrong by not attending or supporting A-League.....

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    So they should stick to the EPL? Where fans get treated even worse and the leaders run the comp like a dictatorship?

     

    they are not in UK, they are in Australia where they are watching the game on TV

     

    also, I never said they should stay away, I was only making the point that I didn't blame them nor do I accuse them of deliberately avoiding the league, I just don't like when people "hate" them for not supporting the league,

     

    with EPL, they watch it on TV, they are not spending their money going to the games are they?

     

    I support a Spanish and a Greek team, hate they way the LFP and the Greek FA operate their leagues, but it doesn't affect me as I am not in Spain or Greece, I am watching the games on TV...

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    The main task for FFA was to get this issue out of the news. Had Tony Sage mounted a serious legal challenge it would have been very damaging for the league. Instead, they found a scape goat, and the show goes on.

     

    Hyundai and Foxtel will not have been happy with all of this. A debacle like the one with Perth is a major threat to their investment and interest. I have no doubt that the stakeholders will express their view, if they haven't done so already. Gallop and Co have work to do, no doubt.

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    Euro snobs - jaded by a league existence.

    I hate those people more than East Sydney fc fans....

    Give me 1 good reason why these so called "eurosnobs" should support and attend A-League games?

    taking into considerations that there are people being banned with no appeal for no reasons,

    give me 1 good reason why they should spend their hard earned money to attend a comp where the leaders run the comp like a dictatorship?

    everyone that got bans before the Asian cup, where also banned form Asian cup as well.

     

    as far as I am concerned, they aren't doing anything wrong by not attending or supporting A-League.....

    They aren't doing anything wrong but their attitude stinks. Most of them haven't even been to or watched an aleague game either, they just scoff and say oh but it's the aleague.

     

    My gripe is that they all claim to be massive football fans and the most passionate football followers in the world (keep in mind that 90% of them have only ever watched their team on TV and 50% of that number probably only watch if the team is in form) yet they hang **** on their own domestic league like its beneath them and they're so special. Ok cool... You pretend to be the worlds biggest supporter of a club that you've never even set foot in the city that they're located in? Right... If they really are the football fans that they claim to be then why can't they support their local club? So what if the quality isn't on par with the EPL? At the end of the day, football is football and if they were true fans of the game then they'd get behind it. Little do they realise that if they did just embrace it, that's helping to grow the game and continue increasing the quality.

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