Wanderers Penalised In Wellington

#maintainthefaith

#maintainthefaith

Now I have that Bon jovi song keep the faith stuck in my head

Can we get a new away kit ffs?

 

 

 

 

This is turning out to be a nothing season - bottom of the table and far too many midweek games (which are difficult to attend when you're 280km or so away).

 

Anyway, I'll go against the grain on be penalty and claim that it was, based on real time viewing, a reasonable decision. On the first replay it looked like inadvertent contact caused the player to fall (and it was a fall, not a dive), and the lack of protest action on the part of our players didn't exactly sway my interpretation.

 

For me the most frustrating thing about the game was how often our team seemed to vacate the middle of the park. Far too many attacks seemed to break down on the wings because the formation was hollow, allowing the Nux to press our players and restart their attack from the centre of the park. It was only later in the game when La Rocca pushed forward that our team was able to reset above the halfway line and had a period of sustained pressure that didn't involve 100 passes along the backline.

OK i am sick of your trolling attempts.

 

If you continue with it a suspension is coming your way.

Does every post we make have to be a happy clappy worshipping post? Or are people allowed to have a different opinion to you? Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade, wake up to the real world brother. It isn't always sunshine and rainbow.

Well Said....

 

 

This is turning out to be a nothing season - bottom of the table and far too many midweek games (which are difficult to attend when you're 280km or so away).

 

Anyway, I'll go against the grain on be penalty and claim that it was, based on real time viewing, a reasonable decision. On the first replay it looked like inadvertent contact caused the player to fall (and it was a fall, not a dive), and the lack of protest action on the part of our players didn't exactly sway my interpretation.

 

For me the most frustrating thing about the game was how often our team seemed to vacate the middle of the park. Far too many attacks seemed to break down on the wings because the formation was hollow, allowing the Nux to press our players and restart their attack from the centre of the park. It was only later in the game when La Rocca pushed forward that our team was able to reset above the halfway line and had a period of sustained pressure that didn't involve 100 passes along the backline.

OK i am sick of your trolling attempts.

 

If you continue with it a suspension is coming your way.

Does every post we make have to be a happy clappy worshipping post? Or are people allowed to have a different opinion to you? Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade, wake up to the real world brother. It isn't always sunshine and rainbow.

Mate,

You dont need to agree with me, its not about being a happy clappy worshiper. Its about calling a troll by what he is. a troll.

I have seen a majority of Generator's posts and most are there to instigate arguments and to troll.

Thanks

Balkanite

Generator loses me.

I'm honestly not sure how one man can be so negative about everything in life.

The most frustrating part is that we've got wins in us. Ffs we have players like Juric, Spira, Topor, Ruka, Castelen. Ruka has such good pace on him. I'm still very hopeful about him. Castelen can squeeze through the tightest spots and get the ball through. The only thing missing is that finishing touch from the final third. We get there easy enough but then scramble in front of goal to score. There's no real focus on our shots.

Also I know we've never been an Atletico Madrid when it comes to set pieces but **** me. With 10 corners, we gotta do better than waste all of them.

This thurs we'll win. We have to. Fate can't be that cruel. Then we have a good break so the lads can pull their heads in and really develop a goal scoring strategy.

 

Funny. Seeing the team lose inspires me even more to be there the next home game.

We need to get some stability in our starting line up. I am all for rotation but we are over doing it I think and its to our detriment.

Players need familiarity and consistency.

Rotate around the edges sure, but we need to get some consistency in the starting line up.

We need to stop blaming " rotation " we were forced to make changes due to NTS suspended , Poljak wedding and bridge and castelan injuries . The rotation did not harm us during the last campaign and the ACL , The squad was full of confidence and players like Haliti , Cole, Apiah , Trifiro and Mullen came in and performed to their full potential . This season confidence is low and most of the squad is underperforming .

Good points mate. But I think the devil is in the detail.

We cant make broad statements like rotation is cr ap or rotation is good.

We have to consider how we are rotating and just as important the psychological framework of the club in season 3.(and offcourse we have other problems apart from rotation).

Like I said I agree with rotation, I just think we are overdoing it. Was it the Perth game where we had 9 or 10 new players from the previous game?

Secondly who are we rotating? If our main playmaker is Saba and we expect him to be our main creator is it worth having him on the bench or coming off the bench as we jave been or should he be starting virtually everygame? Again broader problem is we seem to lack players with creative spark in the mid.

Out of curiosity I would like figures on how many games Shinji started after he became fit in season 1.

The other factor which some astute fan of the game raised with me is the psychology of season 3.

What is different now to season 1? We are more established and we have won titles. In just 3 short seasons. With that comes expectation which includes expectation from the players whether they be new or old.

Season 1 the club was new. Players couldnt demand anything because they had not yet achieved anything to hang their hats on. Many were rejects from other clubs, or had faltering careers through injury.

They were happier to go along with Popas policy which included rotation. So in that way its easier to keep a squad unified snd pulling in the same direction.

Come season 3 it becomes more difficult. Players want more money, their demands and expectations increase about entitlments on and off the field as the club is "no longer finding its feet" and has a record of achievement.

This expectation extends to rotation. Players want to play. And they want to play as many games as possible. Thus the chances for discontent increase.

 

At least Dino could find the net.....   

Ah yes, how many times was that ???

 

Twice more than anyone did yesterday...

popa bought saba with the idea of him being the main playmaker, an ono replacement, but he hasn't figured out how popa wants him to defend. he doesn't stay within the team - sometimes he is like a puppy chasing a ball and gets pulled out of the team shape and other times he just lopes around not putting in. he has shown flashes with the ball and had some good stretches but he hasn't been good enough to justify carrying him when we don't have the ball (like say ccm did when rogic was at his best). so popa has used him in 20 minute cameos when the hope is that he might provide the inspiration for a goal when we are chasing the game. he has gotten frustrated with his role and has had a whinge publicly. definitely a no-no with popa.

will be interesting to see whether being left out vs wello was a 1 game punishment and he is back in the squad or if he is not then it would be safe to assume that there is no way back for him and he will be gone by the end of the window.

Saba is frustrating. I dont ubderstand our attacking set up at any rate.

Saba is too far forward leaving our mids exposed.

Technically as far as ball control and skill he is class - but he hasnt really (overall) been affective.

Its almost like watching the Socceroos. Ball retention that looks good for the sake of looking good but that killer pass or strike is not there.

We have Ruka, Castelen, Juric and Saba almost getting in each others way.

Bunching up providing no width. Has Castelen been given instruction to play a roving role?

If so wtf!

Is it just me or are our first touches getting worse?

Yep, I thought that too, though I thought they're ball control was better later into the first half. That first 20mins was shocking. I think that's indicative of their headspace at the moment. When they're nervous/anxious it shows with their play on the ball, poor first touch/mistimed passes etc...

We definitely played well for quite a bit of the game but our inability to find either the space to execute shots on goal, or to penetrate the defenses of the opposition, is literally costing us games. We had significantly more shots on goal than the Nux, but couldn't convert. That's Popa's challenge at the moment.

yeah agree woc with everything you have said there. castelen has confused the hell out of me this year. he like saba is a good player individually and has played really well at times but seems to often end up very narrow which would be ok if we had polenz to overlap. but we don't - we have cb's masquerading as fullback's or cole who is better crossing from deep than overlapping. the result has been a very congested middle of the pitch in the front third with some juric, ruka, castelen & bridge/saba all wanting to be in the same area and no width..

get some chalk on your boots! would be my instructions to castelen.

 

get some chalk on your boots! would be my instructions to castelen.

First thing I have read in this otherwise depressing thread that really made me smile..

the problem is finishing we have NO FINISHERS. We are creating chances and are getting to the box but the end product is park league. I know we cant compare the two leagues but watch the epl strikers even from the lower sides they bury just about any half chance in tight space they get through control and a good touch. We honestly have had enough possesion and decent chances to have cleaned up 4 wins during the 4 home games in a row....we should have drawn in perth and won yesterday. We are paying a dear price for not having any strikers besides tomi who really hasnt nailed as many as he would hope for. If we couldnt get to the box to have a shot i would say our mids are to blame but we honestly have been peppering the goal mouth but quite bluntly. Even the sydney derby at home should have seen us up 3-0 at halftime with better finishing. You can all tell me the **** off however this is the reality....what is evident is that we dont have mids who can score lots of goals and without our strikers bagging many we are costing ourselves through not taking chances. goals in the net win games not mids that can pass gracefully or be fancy....once the club figures this out and we get some goal scorers wel be on our way up. Go back and watch the 4 home games in a row and tell me if lack of finishing didnt cost us max points.

..on the game - plenty of chances but poor finishing has cost us again. I'm trying to think what happened in season 1 when dino wasn't scoring we were getting goals from shinji and bridge. We don't seem to have any midfielders capable of scoring at the moment.

Anyway looking forward to Thursday and a big crowd - that way we can pose the question to Arnie about how his biggest club in Sydney which is in the top 6 get fewer fans for recent games than the team at the bottom of the table.

Cant wait COYW

Had a look a the pen again, and I am convinved that it was not a pen. I watched it many times and there was no contact. I don't know how O'leary can give that and not give all the other holding , pulling shirts ect in the penalty box.

I think the FFA should really look at the refs. I find it very annoying that the Ref, assistant refs and 4th official are all from NZ, no wonder its hard for anyone to go to NZ and win.

I know that the FFA want to save money but if they want a NZ team in the Australian league, then they need to spend the money and not have all the refs from NZ. It doesn't seem to be a problem flying the NZ to Australia so why not the other way round.

popa bought saba with the idea of him being the main playmaker, an ono replacement, but he hasn't figured out how popa wants him to defend. he doesn't stay within the team - sometimes he is like a puppy chasing a ball and gets pulled out of the team shape and other times he just lopes around not putting in. he has shown flashes with the ball and had some good stretches but he hasn't been good enough to justify carrying him when we don't have the ball (like say ccm did when rogic was at his best). so popa has used him in 20 minute cameos when the hope is that he might provide the inspiration for a goal when we are chasing the game. he has gotten frustrated with his role and has had a whinge publicly. definitely a no-no with popa.

 

will be interesting to see whether being left out vs wello was a 1 game punishment and he is back in the squad or if he is not then it would be safe to assume that there is no way back for him and he will be gone by the end of the window.

Thursday's team selection is going to be very interesting. With Juric and Spiranovic away there are places up for grabs and if the likes of Saba, kubi and Adeleke don't get a start then I guess we can assume that they may have played their last games for the club.

Ron Corry will get a start at this rate..

When is Santalab back??
The moment he is ready we need him back in the team asap

Depressing in itself a team with Juric, Ruka and even Castelen is having trouble finding the back of the net.

popa bought saba with the idea of him being the main playmaker, an ono replacement, but he hasn't figured out how popa wants him to defend. he doesn't stay within the team - sometimes he is like a puppy chasing a ball and gets pulled out of the team shape and other times he just lopes around not putting in. he has shown flashes with the ball and had some good stretches but he hasn't been good enough to justify carrying him when we don't have the ball (like say ccm did when rogic was at his best). so popa has used him in 20 minute cameos when the hope is that he might provide the inspiration for a goal when we are chasing the game. he has gotten frustrated with his role and has had a whinge publicly. definitely a no-no with popa.

 

will be interesting to see whether being left out vs wello was a 1 game punishment and he is back in the squad or if he is not then it would be safe to assume that there is no way back for him and he will be gone by the end of the window.

Failing that, it's out. Unfortunate because I had such high hopes for him at wsw. I still admire his game. Oh well. That's football.

It's a joke that spira and Juric can't play on Thursday. They are still in Australia, the tournament doesn't kick off for another week at least and we need them. They probably won't even play for the Roos anyway.

what typified the plight of our team was the selfish acts by ruka and haliti when in a 3 player vs 1-2 defenders situation yesterday....a simple pass across to support and we score both times yet both tried to be the hero in positions they were never going to score from. until we start working with communication up front and we finish these chances we'll have the bottom of the ladder to float around in. Call me a **** supporter but that is the reality.

Yeah I've noticed a bit of the 'heroic act going south' syndrome as well. Not sure if it's because of the hero complex or because they're in a desperate situation and in just don't see all options clearly.

If it is a hero complex, maybe they should take a page out of Falcao's book. Unselfish pass to Rooney for a sure fire goal.

Yeah I've noticed a bit of the 'heroic act going south' syndrome as well. Not sure if it's because of the hero complex or because they're in a desperate situation and in just don't see all options clearly.

If it is a hero complex, maybe they should take a page out of Falcao's book. Unselfish pass to Rooney for a sure fire goal.

A bit of desperation if you ask me....if these guys did not shoot then we would call them shot shy.....United are in form so unselfish passes like Falcao to Rooney reflect that confidence.

 

Yeah I've noticed a bit of the 'heroic act going south' syndrome as well. Not sure if it's because of the hero complex or because they're in a desperate situation and in just don't see all options clearly.

If it is a hero complex, maybe they should take a page out of Falcao's book. Unselfish pass to Rooney for a sure fire goal.

 

 

A bit of desperation if you ask me....if these guys did not shoot then we would call them shot shy.....United are in form so unselfish passes like Falcao to Rooney reflect that confidence.

 

 

Yeah I've noticed a bit of the 'heroic act going south' syndrome as well. Not sure if it's because of the hero complex or because they're in a desperate situation and in just don't see all options clearly.

If it is a hero complex, maybe they should take a page out of Falcao's book. Unselfish pass to Rooney for a sure fire goal.

A bit of desperation if you ask me....if these guys did not shoot then we would call them shot shy.....United are in form so unselfish passes like Falcao to Rooney reflect that confidence.

What other option did falcao have at full stretch?

 

 

Yeah I've noticed a bit of the 'heroic act going south' syndrome as well. Not sure if it's because of the hero complex or because they're in a desperate situation and in just don't see all options clearly.

If it is a hero complex, maybe they should take a page out of Falcao's book. Unselfish pass to Rooney for a sure fire goal.

A bit of desperation if you ask me....if these guys did not shoot then we would call them shot shy.....United are in form so unselfish passes like Falcao to Rooney reflect that confidence.

yeah but as a professional player on the counter and with support near by you should be passing for the better of the team and not yourself. I am sure they would have known of the extra players when they made the break. I know it sounds like whinging from me but when youve got golden chances for the taking you punish and be clinical that is why we are losing these games. Easier said then done from the comfort of my chair but seriously its not that hard to make a call and lay off a pass to your supporting players. This is what popa needs to sort out....clinical finishing and communication in attack. I actually am very proud of our defence it has improved alot and looking solid once again which is what our team mentality has been based upon since we started.

The return of Dino for a guest stint...miss that fist pump.good times..Im watching some of our wins and goals on Youtube just so im not so depressed.