10 Men Mariners Hold Wanderers To Draw

1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

Agree, dismal turn out. They will get 14k today just watch 

unless we string a decent set of performances together at spotless it’s going to be 11k each week for us 

Think from memory we were averaging 12.5K in our first season at Wanderland, with all those wins and based on a max of 7500 members.

I really do get the hate towards Soulless and the reluctance to go to games there. However surely with over twice the members now that we had in season one we should be able to better S1 attendance numbers

44 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

and the missed shot on goal that Bridgey could've tapped in (and I agree with what wswtragic says...put it in the net then worry about the decision).

I think this was farther away from Bridge and Riera than people think. I think they would have tapped in if they could.

45 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

Hopefully Thwaite will be fit for next week, as we need someone who understands the heat and light that comes from an Oz derby in there kicking. 

Aspro has played and held his own in derbies, hasn't he?

46 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

RBB experience last two weeks has been very good. Sometimes our chants are a bit discombobulated but still getting out the pride, passion, west message.

I think some of the discombobulation is new capo and getting used to his style, but mainly due to la banda starting some songs with no drum. Songs like Euphoria don't really work without drums and only got good once the big drum kicked in. One of my mates called one version of a song last week (can't remember which, maybe Matador) the "lounge version". I understand that on some songs that they are not drumming to make people sing and think this works on "chorus" type songs like Colours Unite us All etc, but some songs need that kick for people to follow and feel.

Didnt go to the game I was down in Melbourne for a wedding. 

Just saw bits and pieces  of last night's game... we just looked 2nd best to everything. 

Mariners didn't look like a team that got thrashed last week. We can laugh about mariners being the easy beats of the a-league but that's far from it this season,  okon has built a good team there and they'll be competitive this season. 

Thwaites injury may be a concern but we have good cover in Aspro 

22 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

Think from memory we were averaging 12.5K in our first season at Wanderland, with all those wins and based on a max of 7500 members.

I really do get the hate towards Soulless and the reluctance to go to games there. However surely with over twice the members now that we had in season one we should be able to better S1 attendance numbers

The whole homebush bay is a shithole, doesn't matter which areq come from you need an hour to get there and getting out of homebush post game is even worse

1 hour ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

and the missed shot on goal that Bridgey could've tapped in (and I agree with what wswtragic says...put it in the net then worry about the decision

Cejudo should have just knocked it across for Riera to have a tap-in, using his right foot.

I'm guessing Cejudo wasn't sure if they were onside so went for a shot. Unfortunately he shot with the outside of the boot instead of the inside and it skewed wide. Maybe Bridge should just be sprinting to the back post in case it was going wide, but he likely wouldn't have made it without being offside at the point of release.

2 hours ago, GD07 said:

We like to take the piss out of the sky blue teams for their membership/crowds and then we dish up that pathetic effort. We haven’t got a leg to stand on when it comes to abusing them. 

Unfortunately this is becoming a league wide problem, and not just a Wandrerers one. Last night's Melbourne Derby got 36k. The days of even 40k are becoming a thing of the past. Eventually the Sydney Derby might go through the same thing.

Our problem is that the shine has worn of the new team. It's natural considering our first few seasons and what we achieved. The league is also a bit stale with a lot of musical chairs going on between players and clubs. Same old, same old. The thing we can most look forward to is moving into the new stadium. That should lift crowds again for a season or two..until we start playing shite again.

I would have preferred Full Strength go down to Ten Sauce Drunken Mariners as a mast. More in line with last weeks Foxxe on the Run. I'm not sure what came first. The football or the headline. Can't wait for the Storm ruse Thwaited match. 

1 hour ago, WestSyd said:

The league is also a bit stale with a lot of musical chairs going on between players and clubs. Same old, same old. 

Is it too early in the season to say that we need new teams?? I struggle to watch games other than ours and the "big" ones.

Also, as you say, it's just musical chairs. Without some serious thought put into the salary cap etc, as well as development of juniors, then we just end up with the same pool of players rotating around.

4 hours ago, Carns said:

This was definitely something I noticed throughout the game. He spent a lot of time sitting in his seat. This, to me, was an obvious difference between a manager and an assistant, the involvement from the sidelines throughout the game.

Yep, observed the same thing. 

25 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

Is it too early in the season to say that we need new teams?? I struggle to watch games other than ours and the "big" ones.

Also, as you say, it's just musical chairs. Without some serious thought put into the salary cap etc, as well as development of juniors, then we just end up with the same pool of players rotating around.

Well just saw that Newcastle today got a crowd of 16k+. The league probably needs a fairytale story, and Newcastle could be the team to deliver that. It would be good if they could come good again and average 16-17k. I think people would follow their story closely (much like our first season).

Having SFC and Melbourne City up the top will feel like dejavu and supporters will be apathetic about it.

Fantastic effort from Jets today 

for our game don't mind a kick up the pants prior to derby hopefully it's early reality check 

we seemed happy to let mariners dictate the play, we should have been more aggressive 

Stats comparison 

v Perth 24 shots, 7 on target, 11 blocked, 10 outside, 14 inside

v Mariners 7 shots, 3 on target, 2 blocked, 1 outside, 6 inside 

Just saw that our crowd last night beat SFC's. 11.2k at Allianz tonight. Better to rebuild Allianz and make it 30k like WSS. Both Sydney teams have pretty fickle support.

8 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

Just saw that our crowd last night beat SFC's. 11.2k at Allianz tonight. Better to rebuild Allianz and make it 30k like WSS. Both Sydney teams have pretty fickle support.

A lot of our support will not go to SOP. There will be more of our fans going to Allianz on Saturday than went to Spotless v the Mariners.. Nothing you can do about it. Just the way it's going to be I think.

2 minutes ago, sonar said:

A lot of our support will not go to SOP. There will be more of our fans going to Allianz on Saturday than went to Spotless v the Mariners.. Nothing you can do about it. Just the way it's going to be I think.

That's still fickle. Especially when it is for a short period at SOP. Besides the derbies get huge crowds at SOP. So something tells me it is more than just SOP. Playing CCM on a cold, rainy night just didn't appeal to some people.

I still hold a hope that if we get on a decent roll of results then people will turn up at spotless. 

Apart from the crap transport, the whole experience at spotless is flat. Just too far from the pitch.

Not to take piss out of esfc crowd, as people in glass houses but 11k when you haven’t lost at home in over a year is dismal. Really what more can they do

Now the popa bashing seems to have stopped just a few things about last nights game, we lacked intensity and were ill disciplined, two traits coincidentally that popa ensured his players excelled at, so while we can easily bag popa's selections and tactics on occasion unfortunately there were a few popa traits we really needed last night.

I don't think Foxe's pre-match 'they don't like it up 'em' taunt was the smartest idea...

Not too concerned though, we still had a lot of sexual play (the combination between Cejudo and Risdon for the second being the highlight), and we don't really have a weak position, except Jumpei. The league looks pretty competitive this year, I think it could be a record low amount of points for whoever wins it. 

We still have a team where at least 75% would get into every other teams XI, there are still many rounds to go to fine tune it. I think we'll get at least a point next week (refereeing debacles notwithstanding).

1 hour ago, scarcev said:

Now the popa bashing seems to have stopped just a few things about last nights game, we lacked intensity and were ill disciplined, two traits coincidentally that popa ensured his players excelled at, so while we can easily bag popa's selections and tactics on occasion unfortunately there were a few popa traits we really needed last night.

While there were definitely games under Popa that were like yesterday, I was thinking about this too. Even last year, once we got our defence together, we were damn hard to beat come the back end of the year. We went up to Brisbane and if not for a crazy Sotirio challenge we were probably the most likely to come home strong in that game, at a notoriously difficult place to win. Will we get someone that forces the team to success (or near success) through strength of will alone? I think we'll see this is harder to find than we think. Hopefully it's embedded in the DNA of the club a bit, though it hasn't really had much time to stick.

CCM recruited very well. Overall their Dutchmen and Spaniards were more effective than ours. 

That we didn't have an answer to the Mariners pressing and off side trap for 90 minutes seems to point to a knowledge/skills gap in the coaching group. 

We have to do much better in the derby. 

12 minutes ago, FCB said:

CCM recruited very well. Overall their Dutchmen and Spaniards were more effective than ours. 

That we didn't have an answer to the Mariners pressing and off side trap for 90 minutes seems to point to a knowledge/skills gap in the coaching group. 

We have to do much better in the derby. 

I said to young Wanderboy after the match that any team that has seriously pressed us up front and in the midfield has generally beaten us, and we were lucky not to lose last night. It's something we've never handled well, and it's something we've never adjusted to during a game.

Last night was seriously painful to watch. I'm just happy we didn't lose.

17 hours ago, mack said:

Cejudo should have just knocked it across for Riera to have a tap-in, using his right foot.

I'm guessing Cejudo wasn't sure if they were onside so went for a shot. Unfortunately he shot with the outside of the boot instead of the inside and it skewed wide. Maybe Bridge should just be sprinting to the back post in case it was going wide, but he likely wouldn't have made it without being offside at the point of release.

 

What annoys me about this, on the night and still, is that Bridge is calling for the ball but doesn't make the effort to get to it. The complains.

Slide in damnit! All you needed was a touch. Both of them are culprits

10 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

I said to young Wanderboy after the match that any team that has seriously pressed us up front and in the midfield has generally beaten us, and we were lucky not to lose last night. It's something we've never handled well, and it's something we've never adjusted to during a game.

Last night was seriously painful to watch. I'm just happy we didn't lose.

Sydneys high press/force error counter attack style or play will kill us 

I thought we let the Mariners control the ball and didn't fight hard enough to get it back. Does anyone know the possession stats for our game, or where to look for them?

31 minutes ago, sonar said:

I thought we let the Mariners control the ball and didn't fight hard enough to get it back. Does anyone know the possession stats for our game, or where to look for them?

40% for us

Passes 376 v 576 to them

Passing acc 79% v 85% for them 

Pass acc in opp half 63% v 75%

Add ro that ref being Chris Beath

When we were compacted (or from quick free kicks) the threaded ball or lofted over the top was not good enough, Jumpei has reverted to form after last week, goes too early, too often!

last week he was much better, Foxe needs to take him aside and work with him to get him to time his runs in behind the back better, get the signals to the passer working.

16 hours ago, WestSyd said:

That's still fickle. Especially when it is for a short period at SOP. Besides the derbies get huge crowds at SOP. So something tells me it is more than just SOP. Playing CCM on a cold, rainy night just didn't appeal to some people.

Stick me in the fickle category now then.  We gave up our season tickets this time for a number of reasons.  Oddly we don't mind Spotless but detest ANZ.  With so many games there and being even further away up in the clouds and tiny crowds for the ground size, we never went again to ANZ after the first MV game there. 

We held out until the fixture list was announced before deciding whether to renew and with young children, again we felt this was going to be another season of missed games versus the mix of times presented at Parramatta.   Once again the club was being put in a lot of late slots.  Great for TV viewer numbers of course.  I wrote to the club and they said they were listening when my initial feedback about not renewing was this amongst other things like cost of parking etc. I explained that we'd be happy doing late games if the mix was a little more balanced.  Give and take like it used to be.  Not sure what they were listening with to be honest as the mix is pretty much unchanged.  Late games on Sunday before first school day back and not even at 5pm tells us the listening is only to Foxtel.  If Foxtel's money is more important to the club and league then let it become another Super 14/15 like Rugby Union with crowds just simply an afterthought.

In the end we decided we would just buy tickets for some of the games where we could.  Money has become something of an issue of late as I left my job a little while back and with the relative high cost of single games even for family to us right now, we're just going to sit it out.

The team may be compelling to younger single folks without a family but for the family contingent which like it or not filled up Parra sides to quite an extent, they may well have decided to do the same as us.

As you say it's only for a short period so the wait to return won't be long.  We won't miss so much in the big scheme of things.

With regards to membership numbers, do they count full memberships only or the plethora of options such as ANZ games only for example?  Maybe this is why we can't convert the numbers to bums on seats.  Maybe our conversion rate of full memberships is actually pretty good but we're not selling so many anymore.

23 minutes ago, KGee said:

Stick me in the fickle category now then.  We gave up our season tickets this time for a number of reasons.  Oddly we don't mind Spotless but detest ANZ.  With so many games there and being even further away up in the clouds and tiny crowds for the ground size, we never went again to ANZ after the first MV game there. 

We held out until the fixture list was announced before deciding whether to renew and with young children, again we felt this was going to be another season of missed games versus the mix of times presented at Parramatta.   Once again the club was being put in a lot of late slots.  Great for TV viewer numbers of course.  I wrote to the club and they said they were listening when my initial feedback about not renewing was this amongst other things like cost of parking etc. I explained that we'd be happy doing late games if the mix was a little more balanced.  Give and take like it used to be.  Not sure what they were listening with to be honest as the mix is pretty much unchanged.  Late games on Sunday before first school day back and not even at 5pm tells us the listening is only to Foxtel.  If Foxtel's money is more important to the club and league then let it become another Super 14/15 like Rugby Union with crowds just simply an afterthought.

In the end we decided we would just buy tickets for some of the games where we could.  Money has become something of an issue of late as I left my job a little while back and with the relative high cost of single games even for family to us right now, we're just going to sit it out.

The team may be compelling to younger single folks without a family but for the family contingent which like it or not filled up Parra sides to quite an extent, they may well have decided to do the same as us.

As you say it's only for a short period so the wait to return won't be long.  We won't miss so much in the big scheme of things.

With regards to membership numbers, do they count full memberships only or the plethora of options such as ANZ games only for example?  Maybe this is why we can't convert the numbers to bums on seats.  Maybe our conversion rate of full memberships is actually pretty good but we're not selling so many anymore.

We gave up seated family membership and became supporter members at SOP but that was nothing to do with the move, that was based on awful personal circumstances at the time, out of work and also almost out of a home for a little while, things looked grim for us in the lead up to last season. Things are a bit better now but we still haven't switched back to full membership again.

Last Sunday night I was there, but on my own. Saturday non of us could make it due to my sons busy social life and an event he has had booked in for 6 months or more for this weekend so that had to take priority.

Unfortunately for us at the moment the days of us rocking up to every home are not going to happen and perhaps a good few are in a similar situation. We will just buy tickets as and when and sit wherever.

I assume supporter memberships are within the total over all member numbers, if so then things might be a bit misleading as these members have no commitment to turning up to every game. 

23 hours ago, mack said:

Cejudo should have just knocked it across for Riera to have a tap-in, using his right foot.

I'm guessing Cejudo wasn't sure if they were onside so went for a shot. Unfortunately he shot with the outside of the boot instead of the inside and it skewed wide. Maybe Bridge should just be sprinting to the back post in case it was going wide, but he likely wouldn't have made it without being offside at the point of release.

 

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH WHY IS THIS HERE??!!! IT HAS NOW ANNOYED ME AGAIN

On 10/15/2017 at 5:11 AM, lloydy136 said:

They played us perfectly and set the template for other teams to follow. They flooded midfield with numbers to make it hard for us to do our short passing game. They tactically fouled and looked to draw as many fouls as possible themselves to break up play and slow the game down. It worked.

Horrendous mistake from janjetovic was very costly because we were in control up to that point.

On a side note hoole is a massive ****wit.

Also just play an organised high pressing line because we do not have a fooking clue how to work it to stay onside.

26 minutes ago, nicknova said:

AAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH WHY IS THIS HERE??!!! IT HAS NOW ANNOYED ME AGAIN

Literally just had to pass it less than a metre