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  • Ben Williams Takes Centre Stage In 0-0 Draw

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    By mack

    A number of contentious decision by full time referee Ben Williams contributed to a 0-0 draw in Parramatta tonight.

     

    As usual for the so called 'professional' referee, Ben William made the game all about himself, costing the Wanderers all three points. 16 minute into the game Williams set the course for the rest of the match with an atrocious decision that saw a goal from Federico Piovaccari ruled out. The Wanderers marquee was being held onto by Dylan McGowan, and in the struggle for position, Williams decided that somehow Piovaccari was illegally holding the central defender.

     

    2 minutes later and as a direct result of the poor call against Piovaccari, Adelaide went up the other end and drew what should have been a penalty against Nikolai Topor-Stanley who stuck his leg out, bringing down fullback Michael Marone, only for Williams to wave the claim away.

     

    In the dying seconds of injury time Williams made another abysmal decision, with Mark Bridge on the edge of the 6 yard box, he cut back inside his defender, who cleaned him all ends up, yet somehow the ref saw no foul.

     

    Western Sydney were unlucky not to win the game despite the obvious errors, as they spurned numerous chances to take all three points, Piovaccari & Bridge both missing unmarked shots in the box in the second half. The stats bore out the dominance of the Wanderers, who had 57% possession to 43%, as well as better passing accuracy for far more passes than Adelaide.

     

    Despite the draw, the Wanderers remain top of the A-League overnight, although a win for Brisbane in their match against Perth could see them go top pending the scoreline.

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    Wanderer747

    Everyone has said it - Williams looked like he was effected by the night before, there aren't any excuses for how bad the calls were (against both teams).

     

    I was happy to escape with the draw - we looked tired and couldn't counter ADL's defence int he box. We could have easily conceeded in the end. It was a game you just have to get through and hope that we are refreshed for the next 2 games. 

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    TheDugong

    The funny thing is a mate of mine is a Reds supporter and is just as livid with Williams' reffing as we are.  I asked in the other thread and I'll ask again here, as the A League's supposedly best referee has this clown ever had a game that could be considered not terrible?

     

    On a positive note I thought Topor had a great game.  The man is a defensive wall and I like this new "don't mess with us" edge he seems to be developing.  Already mentioned Fred as one of our best and I think Neville and Redders would have to join him too.  Also really like how Golgol is looking too.

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    eggs

     

     

    Average performance, Neville looked a yard off the pace tonight and he wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have taken off Castelen, as he was looking dangerous and didn't look happy to go off.

     

    But still unbeaten and top of the league.

     

    The people booing Pio when he went off and at full time, pull your ***** necks in.

    I didn't hear booing when Pio was replaced, a fair few in the western stands stood up and clapped him off

    I was in the East terrace (RBB end) and I heard a couple of people. Idiots.
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    WestSyd

     

     

    Average performance, Neville looked a yard off the pace tonight and he wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have taken off Castelen, as he was looking dangerous and didn't look happy to go off.

    But still unbeaten and top of the league.

    The people booing Pio when he went off and at full time, pull your ***** necks in.

    I didn't hear booing when Pio was replaced, a fair few in the western stands stood up and clapped him off

    I was in the East terrace (RBB end) and I heard a couple of people. Idiots.
    You will always have a few people who do something like that. If that is the way they feel there is not much you can do about it. Best way is to usually ignore people like that as they are usually acting on their own and will begin to stand out after a while. After a while they also begin to realise they are making arses of themselves.

     

    But really not much you can do if someone wants to boo.

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    Nnnnnathan12

     

     

    Average performance, Neville looked a yard off the pace tonight and he wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have taken off Castelen, as he was looking dangerous and didn't look happy to go off.

     

    But still unbeaten and top of the league.

     

    The people booing Pio when he went off and at full time, pull your ***** necks in.

    I didn't hear booing when Pio was replaced, a fair few in the western stands stood up and clapped him off

    I was in the East terrace (RBB end) and I heard a couple of people. Idiots.

     

    The same people that are more interested in throwing paper planes?

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    lloydy136

    Some thoughts....

     

    - good chat at the BBC pre match

    - it's all been said about the refereeing. The sort of jostling that pio got picked up for happens between forward and defender every time the ball goes forward. Shame too because it was the sort of goal he has been threatening to score and could have launched his season. Jeggo tackle should have been red - lunging, studs showing, loss of control = excessive force = red card.

    - both keepers were excellent.

    - new challenge for Popa and co - how do we break down a packed defence set up to stifle us? Not something we have encountered very often.

    - best chance of the game was the bridge one from about 80 minutes - great release by neville, Vidosic with a perfect cross from the byline and bridge just didn't get good contact. Would have been a great goal.

    - they were very worried about castelen and sent an extra player or two across every time he had the ball at his feet. He kept trying to dribble through all of them anyway. Was frustrating.

    - good numbers and a pretty engaged crowd. Better participation in 55 than at other times this season - although a head turn to 54 and people sitting and chatting. I just don't understand. Buy active membership so I can sit and talk. There are 17000 other seats in the stadium where you can do this and NOT be letting your fellow fans down. WTF.

     

    Overall a good performance lacking in composure in final third. Onward and upward. A couple of big games on the horizon...

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    KGee

    We went home happy last night (kids).  They managed to scavenge a couple of programs from under the seats that hadn't either flown on to the pitch or been torn up for confetti.

     

    How Jeggo stayed on the pitch I have no idea.  Two penalties one each side missed.  Pio just doing what Berisha does every week and use his strength!  Great game from him and looking fitter all the time.

     

    And I'll say it.  I couldn't hear Glorious from RBB over the chatting in the Eastern Stand.  If you guys can't even get some volume out of it (was the quietest all night), there's zero chance of it catching on in the stands.

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    scarcev

    All been said but been wanting Pio to how some real strength on the ball all season, he finally does, and that happens.  Feel sorry for him at the moment, at least he is having a red hot go and putting himself around the park now but its just not falling for him, and whatever can go wrong will go wrong, but it will turn around.  Williams, the Bill Harrigan of the HAL, he will be happy as once again it is all about him.  Adelaide played 11 behind the ball and tried to break quick but we had chances to win the game.  We had a few that were not on last night, they held Castelan well, Bridge and Nichols couldn't really get into it and thought Jamieson and Dimas went well.  A point is a point and as other have said, Glorious is not the answer, cringey at best, tried it, didnt work, find something else, move on.

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    Hughesy

    People falling over themselves to say well done to that cockbreath Williams for apologising for his stuff ups.

     

    Yeah, tolerate incompetence from that arse clown who reckoned he should've give a pen to 'Michael Bridges' (his words).

     

    Fûcking numpty should be put back into U/10s

    I'm sure there were some honest intentions behind it but it was really just a strategic move to save his bacon. He knew all the right things to say to diffuse the situation and finished off by saying he'll work hard in training. So basically that's just about all that will come from the situation yet again.
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    Jukes01

    Some thoughts....

     

    - good chat at the BBC pre match

    - it's all been said about the refereeing. The sort of jostling that pio got picked up for happens between forward and defender every time the ball goes forward. Shame too because it was the sort of goal he has been threatening to score and could have launched his season. Jeggo tackle should have been red - lunging, studs showing, loss of control = excessive force = red card.

    - both keepers were excellent.

    - new challenge for Popa and co - how do we break down a packed defence set up to stifle us? Not something we have encountered very often.

    - best chance of the game was the bridge one from about 80 minutes - great release by neville, Vidosic with a perfect cross from the byline and bridge just didn't get good contact. Would have been a great goal.

    - they were very worried about castelen and sent an extra player or two across every time he had the ball at his feet. He kept trying to dribble through all of them anyway. Was frustrating.

    - good numbers and a pretty engaged crowd. Better participation in 55 than at other times this season - although a head turn to 54 and people sitting and chatting. I just don't understand. Buy active membership so I can sit and talk. There are 17000 other seats in the stadium where you can do this and NOT be letting your fellow fans down. WTF.

     

    Overall a good performance lacking in composure in final third. Onward and upward. A couple of big games on the horizon...

     

     

    Those sitting and chatting would be WST. They add nothing. GTFO already. 

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    beatsurrender

    referee controversy aside. Adelaide deserved a point. They were very well organised and came to frustrate us. We are going to have to learn how to break down teams as this will be the method most will employ when they come to Wanderland.

    They never lost their shape and whenever Romeo got the ball they instantly had another defender come over meaning he usually had 3 to beat. Which unfortunately he tried doing on too many occasions and just lost the ball.

    One of those frustrating nights.

    Fed played well and so did Redders.

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    lloydy136

    @jukes

     

    Yes and no.

     

    Wst are in 53 and are taking whatever political stand they are taking. I do wish they would get more involved.

     

    I was more talking about the random passengers in 54 (not including the first couple of rows) who are there for god knows what reason and consistently do nothing.

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    Valter43

    Very frustrating game with an awful ref...I nearly went deaf when the booing and yelling started when the goal was disallowed lol. There were a lot of chances where we should have just taken a shot instead of trying to weave our way through the box I think; the Adelaide defenders were packed in like sardines. I'm not too bummed out by a draw though, at least we have still gone 10 games unbeaten.

     

    Great atmosphere, the only other A-league game I've been to so far was for Sydney FC at Allianz and it was pissweak support from the 'fans'...proud to spend my first day of 2016 as a Wanderer :)

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    Dyssius

    Ben William's probably is that he always thinks he has to make a decision in 50-50 tackles/incidents that should just be play on. And then when something clear cut does happen he seems to see something entirely different to what actually occurred. 

     

    So glad we recovered from the opening 15 mins no goals down, because Adelaide were all over us. 

     

    A lot of balls being played into the box but then our players trying some fancy flicks and dummies when they just need to shoot *****. Although when Pio did he screwed his shots. Twice. 

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    Alexander

    Very frustrating game with an awful ref...I nearly went deaf when the booing and yelling started when the goal was disallowed lol. There were a lot of chances where we should have just taken a shot instead of trying to weave our way through the box I think; the Adelaide defenders were packed in like sardines. I'm not too bummed out by a draw though, at least we have still gone 10 games unbeaten.

     

    Great atmosphere, the only other A-league game I've been to so far was for Sydney FC at Allianz and it was pissweak support from the 'fans'...proud to spend my first day of 2016 as a Wanderer :)

    Glad you enjoyed it mate. Give the club a call to see if there's any ticketed memberships still available. If we keep performing this season, tickets will become even more of a rare commodity

     

    The last 2 nights of refereeing is not doing the game any favours..

     

    I thought the booing at 1/2 time was at the ref...

    It was definitely at the ref. Fathead's penalty appeal only happened about 90 seconds before half time Edited by Alexander
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    Stevo99

    Piovaccari

    - Was a physical presence up front, and bullied the defence at times

    - Linked up well with attacking mids, creating a couple of chances

    - Pressed well defensively 

    - Scored a fantastic goal

     

    Now, he did also miss a few chances that he should have buried. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a marquee to finish at least one of those. But it's just frustrating that all comes after he's robbed by Ben Williams, if that goal's given then the rest of the game is a different story

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    marron

    Piovaccari

    - Was a physical presence up front, and bullied the defence at times

    - Linked up well with attacking mids, creating a couple of chances

    - Pressed well defensively

    - Scored a fantastic goal

     

    Now, he did also miss a few chances that he should have buried. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a marquee to finish at least one of those. But it's just frustrating that all comes after he's robbed by Ben Williams, if that goal's given then the rest of the game is a different story

    No need for the fan club man it looks like everyone in here is in it anyway!

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    Stevo99

     

    Piovaccari

    - Was a physical presence up front, and bullied the defence at times

    - Linked up well with attacking mids, creating a couple of chances

    - Pressed well defensively

    - Scored a fantastic goal

     

    Now, he did also miss a few chances that he should have buried. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a marquee to finish at least one of those. But it's just frustrating that all comes after he's robbed by Ben Williams, if that goal's given then the rest of the game is a different story

    No need for the fan club man it looks like everyone in here is in it anyway!

     

     

    Ah well, I still heard it from you first

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    Unlimited

    Piovaccari's workrate is immense - I remember a few times from last night where he charged back 30-40m into our own half to jostle and harry the attacker - and that's the exact sort of attitude which we cannot fault

     

    onwards to the city game next week which i'll be in attendance for :good:

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    marron

    Piovaccari's workrate is immense - I remember a few times from last night where he charged back 30-40m into our own half to jostle and harry the attacker - and that's the exact sort of attitude which we cannot fault

     

    onwards to the city game next week which i'll be in attendance for :good:

    Did some good defensive clearance work from set pieces as well.

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    Guest mickisnot

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    The funny thing is a mate of mine is a Reds supporter and is just as livid with Williams' reffing as we are. I asked in the other thread and I'll ask again here, as the A League's supposedly best referee has this clown ever had a game that could be considered not terrible?

     

    On a positive note I thought Topor had a great game. The man is a defensive wall and I like this new "don't mess with us" edge he seems to be developing. Already mentioned Fred as one of our best and I think Neville and Redders would have to join him too. Also really like how Golgol is looking too.

    I'd agree with them as well. Adelaide came out to play. The wierd fouls being called up ruined any momentum either team had.

     

    The game could of been a lot more exciting. Williams ruined the spectacle.

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    beatsurrender

    Can someone answer definitively.

    Why are there always so many empty seats in the RBB. Season one was better.

     

    Does the club sell every single seat in the NT? Does anyone know. Has it ever been asked?

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    Can someone answer definitively.

    Why are there always so many empty seats in the RBB. Season one was better.

     

    Does the club sell every single seat in the NT? Does anyone know. Has it ever been asked?

    Undersold for insurance purposes, which allows cheaper membership. People also pack to the centre, which gives the allusion of emptiness.

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    Alexander

    Can someone answer definitively.

    Why are there always so many empty seats in the RBB. Season one was better.

     

    Does the club sell every single seat in the NT? Does anyone know. Has it ever been asked?

     

    I can't give you one definitive answer , but I can give you a few reasons .  I think one issue is that people have bought tickets in the NT just for the purpose of scalping. There were apparently RBB tickets being sold on the ticketmaster resale site for over $200.   People don't buy them, thus there is an empty seat.  Although I'm not sure how many people do this, my guess is not many.  

     

    I also believe in order to buy a single ticket in that section, you have to be a member.  Does anybody know this for sure? 

     

    One other thing is that if everyone in the NT sat down, there wouldn't be many empty seats.  People crowd in to the middle, making it look more empty than it actually is.

     

    I can't answer whether every single seat is sold in the NT

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    MartinTyler

     

    Can someone answer definitively.

    Why are there always so many empty seats in the RBB. Season one was better.

     

    Does the club sell every single seat in the NT? Does anyone know. Has it ever been asked?

    Undersold for insurance purposes, which allows cheaper membership. People also pack to the centre, which gives the allusion of emptiness.

     

    I'm not so sure that the 'packing to the centre' argument is a valid one these days. There's too many spare seats and the club really has to address this properly as it's not a good look. Having said that the RBB appears to be down on numbers anyway this season.

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    marron

     

     

    Can someone answer definitively.

    Why are there always so many empty seats in the RBB. Season one was better.

     

    Does the club sell every single seat in the NT? Does anyone know. Has it ever been asked?

    I can't give you one definitive answer , but I can give you a few reasons . I think one issue is that people have bought tickets in the NT just for the purpose of scalping. There were apparently RBB tickets being sold on the ticketmaster resale site for over $200. People don't buy them, thus there is an empty seat. Although I'm not sure how many people do this, my guess is not many.

     

    I also believe in order to buy a single ticket in that section, you have to be a member. Does anybody know this for sure?

     

    One other thing is that if everyone in the NT sat down, there wouldn't be many empty seats. People crowd in to the middle, making it look more empty than it actually is.

     

    I can't answer whether every single seat is sold in the NT

    There's no way every seat is sold. You only have to look at derbies etc, compared to say the Al hilal game. Last night security were insisting people sit in their allocated bays... was anyone sitting in the end ones?

     

    People do squish up but not that much.

     

    You can't on sell through the club.

     

    I'm not sure if you can even buy single tickets. Can you? Even as a member yourself?

     

    I ran some numbers a couple of years ago. If every seat was sold and it was all averaged out with people missing 2 games a season you lose an entire bay every game or something. It doesn't take much for it to start to look empty in other words.

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