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    City Tear Maladroit Wanderers Apart


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    One of the worst performances by the Western Sydney Wanderers has seen them obliterated by finals bound Melbourne City 3-0 tonight in Melbourne.

    The story of the game was heartless, inept football in both attack and defence, that gifted the game to Melbourne City with the Wanderers not managing a single shot on target in the 90 minutes. It was an abysmal display, one that should be utterly embarrassing for the players and the staff and raises extreme questions about the ongoing employment at the club from the CEO to the coaching staff and the players.

    No team wearing the Red & Black of the Wanderers should ever play like that, with numerous players clearly looking disinterested. Our season is over with or without a finals match we'd lose to one of the Melbourne teams or Adelaide.

    The only chance of the game for the Wanderers was Oriol Riera, one of the few who cared, hitting the bar from a corner that was played out for a corner by a City defender in the 40th minute.

    From that corner Melbourne City took the lead with a counter-attack. After clearing the corner, it fell for Atkinson, he evaded Chris Ikonomidis, and Michael Thwaite failed to cut him down for a foul & a yellow card. Spraying the ball wide to Daniel Arzani, before Raul Llorente could close him down the young winger fired a cross into the 6 yard box. Thwaite once again failed to deal with the danger, the ball rolled into the path of Bruno Fornaroli who couldn't miss from 6 yards out.

    The early stages of the second half came and went until Alvaro Cejudo completely failed his team by refusing to mark his designated player. To top off an abysmal performance as the Wanderers attacking pivot, Cejudo let Michael Jakobsen have the freedom of the penalty area to meet a cross from a short corner and blast it unerringly past Janjetovic again from 6 yards out.

    Stefan Mauk completed the rout in the 66th minute with another penetrating attack from City. Hamill, Bonevacia & Lustica did their best impression of traffic cones as Mauk & Fornaroli played a one two, Fornaroli with a backheel that Mauk ran on and fired a first time shot into the bottom corner.

    It was as much as City deserved and far less than the Wanderers did. I've seen a lot of bad performances in the past few years but this one ranks well up there. You could count with a few fingers the players who were playing for the shirt and most of them looked disinterested even before City hit the front. Combined with schoolboy errors in defence, a midfield trio who found the sideline or a city player more than they found their own team-mates, and a squad who couldn't even manage a single shot on target. Marc Tokich may look back on his A-League debut fondly, but it will not be because of the result of the game. That was one of the only high spots of the match and in the end it was little more than a 10 minute cameo.

    Barring the miracle of miracles this team will either make the finals and lose in week one or finish 7th or 8th. The players, the coaching staff and the higher up club management need to take a good long hard look at how they've let the Champions of Asia fall from grace this far. It might not be the disaster zone that exists for the Mariners or Wellington Phoenix, but this club should be a top four club every season without fail, not a collection of awkward, bumbling, incompetents completely detached from the fans who pay good money to watch this garbage, running around with no pride in their performance.

    Next week away to the Victory looks like being a turkey shoot for Melbourne and one I'm not looking forward to. Gombau needs to give the players a kick in the arse and send them on some old school treatment to remind them to earn their money off and on the pitch. Start with 200 laps of the training pitch at lunchtime tomorrow and go from there.

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    The job of the coach is to make the most out of what he has.

    Gombau has done the opposite. He has made players worse....

    Herd, big baccus and corny are all proven players and all have been good enough to be starting 11 players - gombau feuded with all 3 and none are playing.

    Risdon is a NT player and has proven to be a good player in the a-league over multiple seasons - under gombau he has been poor.

    Same with roly - shown he is a good a-league player over several seasons - under gombau he has been a disaster.

    This is on gombau. He has made good players look bad.

     

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    2 minutes ago, mack said:

    Was this it?

    Must have been tough starting next season with a 3 point suspended sentence.

    Aye, thats is, I was there! We left just after half time and ran back to the railway station! Boro fans made a hell of a mess of of the town centre that day also, shameful. No excuse, but also how would you feel knowing that through mismanagement of your club this could be the last ever game, emotions were running very high that day...but again no excuse. Terrible day.

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    We'll be lucky to finish 7th, let alone make the finals. Don't think we deserve to either. 

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    I might be over the top with the questions below after WSWBoro's comments above.I feel for him.

    Do the coach or players that played for us last night, other than Santa, Bridgey, Snake, Brendan or Baby Baccus, really know the core fans and the struggles of the Western Sydney community? Or how our colours and short history define our fans, our core ethos and passion?

    What is the value of wearing our jersey?

    After yesterday, I have no doubt that this current crop feels nothing for us and do not play for us.

    I am down and very disappointed, been in from the very beginning, I'll never stop following our club but individual players that do not give us 100%, we see and know who they are, can take a running jump out of our club.

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    This apparently dud squad was undefeated, in 4th place, and averaging 1.6 points per game when Gombau took over. If we kept ticking over at that ppg rate, we'd be on 38 points and only looking up at Newcastle & Sydney. 

    Oh and that ppg rate would've been higher had:

    1. Baccus & Herd not got injured at ~the same time against Newcastle. A team we were dominating 

    2. Foxe made a freakin substitution when Sydney were getting on top of us when we were up 2-1 against them. Oh and had the ref not fallen for Carney's patented 'stop-and-drop' when in the box

    And those paying attention, those 2 examples involved us going toe-to-toe with the 2 best teams in the league. 'A dud squad'? Please

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    Stick the youth players in. Maybe not for the victory game but the last 2 home games. Give the team a lift. It’s so stale.

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    1 hour ago, Alexander said:

    This apparently dud squad was undefeated, in 4th place, and averaging 1.6 points per game when Gombau took over. If we kept ticking over at that ppg rate, we'd be on 38 points and only looking up at Newcastle & Sydney. 

    Oh and that ppg rate would've been higher had:

    1. Baccus & Herd not got injured at ~the same time against Newcastle. A team we were dominating 

    2. Foxe made a freakin substitution when Sydney were getting on top of us when we were up 2-1 against them. Oh and had the ref not fallen for Carney's patented 'stop-and-drop' when in the box

    And those paying attention, those 2 examples involved us going toe-to-toe with the 2 best teams in the league. 'A dud squad'? Please

    If only your national team takes were as accurate as this. 

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    This apparently dud squad was undefeated, in 4th place, and averaging 1.6 points per game when Gombau took over. If we kept ticking over at that ppg rate, we'd be on 38 points and only looking up at Newcastle & Sydney. 

    Don't you mean 1.4 points per game? Foxe was in charge 5 games. Round 1 to Round 5. We had 7 points, which would be 1.4 points per game. Didn't get to 8 until Gombau's 1-1 draw with City in his first game. Gombau has got us 1.21 points per game.

    Another way to look at it was the dud squad only won 1 game in 5. Most of the teams in the league have between 4 & 6 draws. We're the outlier with 9 draws. Perth only have 2 draws but they are in 8th place. Getting draws instead of losses is a marginal benefit in a 3 points per win league (looking at the table, Roar have 4 less draws than we do, but with 1 win more than us they are only a point behind).

    I think using stats after 5 games isn't enough time to be a viable sample size. However, here are some calculations.

    • Foxe in charge for 24 games with 1.4 ppg we'd be on 33.6 points.
    • Gombau from Round 1 with 1.21 ppg we'd be on 29.
    • Popovic (1.48 ppg all time) we'd be on 35.5.
    • Popa from last year (1.33 ppg) we'd be on 32.

    Our position on the ladder wouldn't be much different on these hypothetical PPG spreads over the 24 games. Maybe in 5th place with Foxe depending on goal difference. Maybe 4th place on goal difference with all time Popovic. Same spot with last year Popovic. We'd still need results in the last 3 rounds no matter who was in charge and we still wouldn't be in the ACL positions.

    Foxe lost our FFA Cup Semi-Final. We had 65% possession and spent the whole game passing around the midfield using the same Popovic tactics as last year, made poor subs (took until the 80th minute to make his 2nd & 3rd subs when the team was exhausted long before). Foxe probably would have got the entire season (or at least to the FFA Cup final) if he hadn't bottled that semi-final at home.

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    3 hours ago, ptwsw said:

    Do the coach or players that played for us last night, other than Santa, Bridgey, Snake, Brendan or Baby Baccus, really know the core fans and the struggles of the Western Sydney community? Or how our colours and short history define our fans, our core ethos and passion?

    What is the value of wearing our jersey?

    After yesterday, I have no doubt that this current crop feels nothing for us and do not play for us.

    I am down and very disappointed, been in from the very beginning, I'll never stop following our club but individual players that do not give us 100%, we see and know who they are, can take a running jump out of our club.

    I was at AAMI Park last night with my kids, after my MV-supporting nephews in Melbourne have pleaded with us for the last 3 years to join them for a MCY vs WSW match in the away bay.

    When the team came around to the away section at the end of the match, I stood 1 row behind my kids. Bridgey & Santa went out of their way (& caught me off guard!) to walk right up to the fence line, & stuck their hand out to shake my hand. These 2 were hurting. It was written very clearly on their faces & slumped shoulders. There is not an ounce of doubt that these 2, like all of us, bleed red and black.

    Win or lose.

    The WSW fan base is not merely a supporter group, but a coming together of genuine, salt of the earth people, a spirited community that is the envy of all others. We do not choose to be included. We are chosen.

    Forever red and black.

    Forever.

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    Is it my imagination, but whenever we lose it is the worst game ever?

    Get beaten like that but still in a finals spot.

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    I'm just not getting all this wait till he gets his own squad stuff.

    baby Baccus meh

    Ikon. great for couple of games but lets be honest since then?

    Carrusca - needs to play CCM and Nux every week.

    If we make the six we would be away against Citeh or Vic, I hope we come 7th.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The 1st derby under Gambou is still the worst game for me.

    It seems that most of the players are playing with no interest, pride it passion. The two things that I put it down to....(1) they know they will not be here next season....(2) they know the coach won't be here next season

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    1 hour ago, tardotz said:

    The 1st derby under Gambou is still the worst game for me.

    It seems that most of the players are playing with no interest, pride it passion. The two things that I put it down to....(1) they know they will not be here next season....(2) they know the coach won't be here next season

    Mostly it's  (1) I think. The shock of Popovic's departure, Foxe resigning, and then Gumby and his changes may all be contributing factors.

    I do not buy into it's all the coaches fault crap.There are serious issues with the attitude AND skill level of some of the so called proffessionals players in our squad. Some are not vey skillful or professional. Gumby is not perfect, then again neither was the previous manager.He was renowned for giving players the Popa treatment for bad sttitudes.Not many questenioned HIS decisions to do so, with the reasoning being the player deserved it. Now, when it comes to Gumby and a player(s) in your squad are at logger heads with each other...iie Baccus Snr v Bridge having a training park fight, or Herd for whatever he has done now it's Gombau's fault and he's not a man manager .If Gombau stays, and it appears he may be, then regardless of where we finish or who is the manager I hope there is a cleanout and players are brought into the squad who will put in. 

     

     

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    On the bright side, we can't finish lower than 8th*. 

    * Assumes no points deduction.

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    Lol this league is so terrible that even after that terrible performance, we're still in the 6.

    Finals will be such a waste of time across the board. Again.

    Week 1 - 5th and 6th will be eliminated

    Week 2 - 3rd and 4th will be eliminated

    Grand Final will be 1v2 yet again. Redundant again.

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    6 minutes ago, sonar said:

    Mostly it's  (1) I think. The shock of Popovic's departure, Foxe resigning, and then Gumby and his changes may all be contributing factors.

    I do not buy into it's all the coaches fault crap.There are serious issues with the attitude AND skill level of some of the so called proffessionals players in our squad. Some are not vey skillful or professional. Gumby is not perfect, then again neither was the previous manager.He was renowned for giving players the Popa treatment for bad sttitudes.Not many questenioned HIS decisions to do so, with the reasoning being the player deserved it. Now, when it comes to Gumby and a player(s) in your squad are at logger heads with each other...iie Baccus Snr v Bridge having a training park fight, or Herd for whatever he has done now it's Gombau's fault and he's not a man manager .If Gombau stays, and it appears he may be, then regardless of where we finish or who is the manager I hope there is a cleanout and players are brought into the squad who will put in. 

     

     

    It’s by no means ALL Gumby’s fault, players, club etc are all culpable, but so far he has shown nothing to say that he is the right dude for the gig. 

    If he stays or goes clearly there will be the annual WSW player clear out and this year with good reason 

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    4 minutes ago, Erebus said:

    Lol this league is so terrible that even after that terrible performance, we're still in the 6.

    Finals will be such a waste of time across the board. Again.

    Week 1 - 5th and 6th will be eliminated

    Week 2 - 3rd and 4th will be eliminated

    Grand Final will be 1v2 yet again. Redundant again.

    Not sure about that, I’m not convinced Jets are a sure thing for GF, they have lost players, I wouldn’t write Victory off

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    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    Not sure about that, I’m not convinced Jets are a sure thing for GF, they have lost players, I wouldn’t write Victory off

    Yeah, Jets are struggling, hope they make the GF but possibly the first team to finish second to not make the GF in a while. Could well be ESFC V MV in the GF again depending on how it all flows through with final standings.

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    The seeming lack of effort is the big disappointment. We have won only 3 games all season against teams other than the yellows but that doesn’t bother me as opposed to the lack of desire out there on the pitch. Perth got at Victory last night. Will we see the same intent when we play next in Melbourne?

    In our first couple of seasons we had players like Dino, Beauchamp & Shannon Cole. Nowhere near as gifted as this lot but we over-achieved. Popa cared about the club. He felt part of it and what a marquee Shinji Ono was. He came to a club he had never heard about and to a League that was but a footnote in the World game and he put in, game after game, 100%.

    We are not good enough for the top 4 but this squad are significantly under achieving.

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    3 hours ago, HillsPanther said:

    Is it my imagination, but whenever we lose it is the worst game ever?

    Get beaten like that but still in a finals spot.

    I agree. No one does dramatic like WSW fans 

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    Playing out from the back/in defence: we tend to muck around with it

    Transition forward/on the counter: we tend to muck around with it

    When attacking on goal: we tend to muck around with it

    Is this really anything new???

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    29 minutes ago, hughsey said:

    Playing out from the back/in defence: we tend to muck around with it

    Transition forward/on the counter: we tend to muck around with it

    When attacking on goal: we tend to muck around with it

    Is this really anything new???

    The comically bad marking and giving teams the run of he midfield is newish 

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    From SBS "Five things we learned ...":

    When will you learn?

    The players, Josep Gombau, the Red and Black Bloc; never has a question been more appropriate and able to hit all three of its targets – for different reasons – at once.

    Melbourne City, a team battling a season-long case of inconsistency, welcomed Western Sydney Wanderers to AAMI Park on Saturday night and spent 90 minutes playing them off the park.

    The 3-0 result wasn’t harsh enough, with City spurning several chances and the away side struggling to muster a single shot on target.

    Keanu Baccus (albeit out of position), Mark Bridge, Michael Thwaite and Alvaro Cejudo, to name a few, struggled to impact (or even try) proceedings against a City side without a home win since January.

    Gombau’s inability to adjust in-game has cost his men on multiple occasions this season; with the stubborn Spaniard instead happy to rest on his age-old spiel of “needing time” as an excuse for poor selections, substitutions and tactics.

    If poor performances on the pitch weren’t enough to condemn their mediocre season, the behaviour of some active supporters have caused major sponsor NRMA Insurance to walk away at the end of the season, taking their deal worth over $1 million per year with them.

    "NRMA insurance will not be renewing its sponsorship of the Western (Sydney) Wanderers following the conclusion of the 2017/2018 season," an NRMA Insurance spokeswoman said, as quoted by the Sydney Morning Herald, with Fairfax Media revealing the RBB’s antics as a significant reason why.

    Don’t let the A-League’s system fool you; the Wanderers may have finals football “in their hands”, but the solidarity, pride and passion that built the club six years ago are slowly slipping through their fingers.

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    53 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    "NRMA insurance will not be renewing its sponsorship of the Western (Sydney) Wanderers following the conclusion of the 2017/2018 season," an NRMA Insurance spokeswoman said, as quoted by the Sydney Morning Herald, with Fairfax Media revealing the RBB’s antics as a significant reason why.

    Dodgy journalism. They provide a quote from NRMA saying they’re not renewing their sponsorship, then tack on unattributed speculation in the same paragraph that Fairfax Media can “reveal”.

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    On 3/24/2018 at 11:33 PM, wendybr said:

    Hmmmm...

    I rather like the synonym "clodhopping" more than "maladroit".

    :rofl:

    I like maladroit better as it's an anagram for "admit oral"

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    52 minutes ago, Bob said:

    I like maladroit better as it's an anagram for "admit oral"

    Yeah but clodhopping is an anagram for clod   hopping!

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    33 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    Yeah but clodhopping is an anagram for clod   hopping!

    or chopping old or cold hopping or inch dog plop

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    1 hour ago, Bob said:

    I like maladroit better as it's an anagram for "admit oral"

    Or dram and who cares about the rest

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    Mack is right, I did miscalculate the ppg stats *sighs*. But my point about us going toe-to-toe with Sydney and Newcastle still stands. It's also worth pointing out that the next time we played these 2 teams, Gombau lost 5-0 and 4-0. And in both of those games we could've conceded 2 or 3 more. 

    While I disagree, people have a right to be comfortable with sarcraficing this season in order for Gombau to bed in his style. Different strokes for different folks. But 2 things:

    1. Gombau has not sufficiently shown that he deserves the faith required to throw away a season in order for a greener pastures next year. And I see little evidence that next season will be much better. We've been beyond inconsistent (I need Mack's extensive vocabulary for an appropriate word). We've also copped repeated hidings. We only look good against poor teams and occasionally in the first 20 minutes of matches against decent teams. 

    2. Please don't suggest that using appropriate tactics for this squad wouldn't have us challenging. This squad isn't just our most expensive, it is by far our best ever squad. I'd go over the squad in more detail, but Lloydy has done a fine job of that already

    On 25 March 2018 at 11:01 PM, lloydy136 said:

    The job of the coach is to make the most out of what he has.

    Gombau has done the opposite. He has made players worse....

    Herd, big baccus and corny are all proven players and all have been good enough to be starting 11 players - gombau feuded with all 3 and none are playing.

    Risdon is a NT player and has proven to be a good player in the a-league over multiple seasons - under gombau he has been poor.

    Same with roly - shown he is a good a-league player over several seasons - under gombau he has been a disaster.

    This is on gombau. He has made good players look bad.

     

     

    Edited by Alexander

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