Dismal 3-0 Defeat To Melbourne Victory

Just now, sonar said:

I believe his contract is for this season and next.Happy to be proved incorrect if it isn't the case.

As to your question....mmmmm......I think we will make the six,

If we don't I would give him next season. Let him pick his own squad, have a decent preseason and judge him them.  If he is not the manager then a replacement would need to be in  place at the end of tnis season not left to the last minute.

Watching the game tonight and given the result of the one before it, unless we get our **** together soon we won’t make the six.

If we don’t make the six, and keeping in mind he will then have had nearly a full season, he’d have to go (contract or not) as the club can’t afford to piss a third season away.

Making the 6 would be the bare minimum.

I’d be interested to know what target the club set him, top 4? 

Next two games are vital Perth (the one team who seem to be more of a shambles than us) and the Mariners both away.

If we lose both of them, I’d be surprised if he lasts past that

6 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Watching the game tonight and given the result of the one before it, unless we get our **** together soon we won’t make the six.

If we don’t make the six, and keeping in mind he will then have had nearly a full season, he’d have to go (contract or not) as the club can’t afford to piss a third season away.

Making the 6 would be the bare minimum.

I’d be interested to know what target the club set him, top 4? 

Next two games are vital Perth (the one team who seem to be more of a shambles than us) and the Mariners both away.

If we lose both of them, I’d be surprised if he lasts past that

 

Who would come in and do any better with this shyte within this season...

6 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

I dunno.......i hear everyone.....but the situation is a bit like the shite at Boro this season. Monk bought players and went wide eyed and wild in the cash available, but he forgot to build a team; he bought individuals that to this day dont look like a team, just parts that never looked like gelling. 

So in comes Pulis and while i am not a fan of his stylw his is a VERY good organiser and will sorr this out, but he needs to get shot of some that dont want to be at Boro since Monk left and bring in his own players in to the side, Boro are starting to look more coherent now.

I dont like Gombaus style but this still is not his side as he would want it. Yes i would give him another year, i dont think  Popa recruited all that well again.

Unpopular post of the night lol

The thing is Pulis is the total opposite of Gombau. Pulis is like Large samual at Everton total pragmatist he’ll make you hard to beat, organised, lump the ball long etc.

He won’t try and introduce a possession based Philosophy ball and he won’t try and tell you they played well when they get thumped three 0. Pulis will work with what you have, although he’ll, if you don’t have one already try and get a massive lump up front.

Ive not followed boro but Im guessing if you replace 

Monk = Koeman

Pulis = Large Sam

It pretty much sounds like the Everton story. 

I’ll guess that nobody wants to see him stay but accept that he will keep you up. (I could be taking about either team here) 

I don’t think we have the same here. 

WSW signed an ok but flawed squad (no number 10, not enough creativity and the slowest centre backs)

However the manager quits before season stars so we can only speculate about if we would be better or worse off. Judging by the early foxe games, I’d say we would be better off.

Gomabu comes in, and he isn’t the pragmatist he’s the we play my type of football type guy. He doesn’t organise the defence at all.

As much as I rant about him, if we had brought gombau in at start of preseason I’d have been happy about it.

But if he can’t get the squad he has into the finals and have them playing with some semblance of organisation then I wouldn’t risk another season on him. I doubt the club will, particularly of attendances and membership drop off any further 

Am I close on the boro stuff?

6 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

Who would come in and do any better with this shyte within this season...

Who would and who we can get are different.

Merrick would have this squad playing far better than it is, but obviously he has a gig 

I think it’s academic anyway as I think he will do just well enough to stay

1 hour ago, mack said:

This team making the top 6 will probably just lose to City or Victory anyway so does it really matter?

He should get next year regardless. We don't want to turn into a SFC circus sacking coaches constantly.

this, i know some changes have been made by him losing jumpei and gaining MC, so he has made positive changes but its still not his team yet

The only positive thing positive from the game was seeing Carrusca and showing that elegance and skill amazing to see and pleasure to watch

6 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

The only positive thing positive from the game was seeing Carrusca and showing that elegance and skill amazing to see and pleasure to watch

a player our new shiny coach brought in

I may as well repost my comments from the Nix post game thread. #wesuck

3 hours ago, mack said:

This team making the top 6 will probably just lose to City or Victory anyway so does it really matter?

He should get next year regardless. We don't want to turn into a SFC circus sacking coaches constantly.

It matters in that we can’t have another **** year, if he can’t shape this squad (with whatever changes he can make in jan) into a half decent side then on what basis would you trust him with next year? 

When he finishes the season he will have had something like 21 Out of 27 games with the team, surely that is enough for him to be somewhat responsible for the results?  

I dont think we are making the 6, 6th will go to the nux

I can foresee a situation where Gombau gets another season regardless of what happens this and then depending on how that goes will determine the one after that. I can see the headlines already, Wanderers return home, new stadium, new coach new squad and the club will make out that everything's ok and they didnt really treat the fans like mugs for the past 3 seasons because 30,000+ turned up on day 1 of the new stadium.

Are there even any rumours about us signing any one else at the moment?

Gombau stays regardless I can’t see lederer paying him out 

im sick of this whole it’s not his players crap every coach in the world inherits a team unless it’s a new club and you start from scratch 

his job is to get the the maximum return on what he has, but he seems intent on the process.. and good on him if he convinced his bosses he could write this season off and essentially use it as 10 month pre season. 

Lederer and co can then get farked, gombau is showing that if he can do this then it’s not a question of gombau out it’s bigger than that.

So if the problem is that the players will need to to get used to the system and he didn't pick these players. Does this mean a clean out at the end of the season and wait till mid next season before the new players play the new system?

Also I dont think we can count CCM as an automatic win - they, at least, can hold ESFC to a draw

We have played 16 games this season and are 1 point ahead of where we were last season, where at the time we we were in 8th on 18 points. We have more wins at this stage, and the same amount of losses.

http://www.ultimatealeague.com/standings.php?season=2016-17&round=17

1 hour ago, GunnerWanderer said:

Gombau stays regardless I can’t see lederer paying him out 

im sick of this whole it’s not his players crap every coach in the world inherits a team unless it’s a new club and you start from scratch 

his job is to get the the maximum return on what he has, but he seems intent on the process.. and good on him if he convinced his bosses he could write this season off and essentially use it as 10 month pre season. 

Lederer and co can then get farked, gombau is showing that if he can do this then it’s not a question of gombau out it’s bigger than that.

 

^ This

If he can’t get this squad to top 6 (which is the bare minimum) then if club think he’s the man to take us forward long term then they have less ambition than they say 

2 hours ago, sonar said:

We have played 16 games this season and are 1 point ahead of where we were last season, where at the time we we were in 8th on 18 points. We have more wins at this stage, and the same amount of losses.

http://www.ultimatealeague.com/standings.php?season=2016-17&round=17

Last season was unacceptable for such an ambitious franchise.

Limping into the post season knockout competition is hardly an inspiring result & shouldn't be used in any comparison, unless our performance this season is commensurate with such a poor season.

2 hours ago, tardotz said:

So if the problem is that the players will need to to get used to the system and he didn't pick these players. Does this mean a clean out at the end of the season and wait till mid next season before the new players play the new system?

And a complete clear out for 2 seasons following the eventual departure of Gombau.

3 hours ago, leslie said:

Are there even any rumours about us signing any one else at the moment?

Jason Davidson 

3 hours ago, GunnerWanderer said:

Gombau stays regardless I can’t see lederer paying him out 

im sick of this whole it’s not his players crap every coach in the world inherits a team unless it’s a new club and you start from scratch 

his job is to get the the maximum return on what he has, but he seems intent on the process.. and good on him if he convinced his bosses he could write this season off and essentially use it as 10 month pre season. 

Lederer and co can then get farked, gombau is showing that if he can do this then it’s not a question of gombau out it’s bigger than that.

 

In the BL, pre season kicked off July 1st, and the first round was played on Aug 19th, seven weeks later.

Gombau took charge of training Nov 9th. 72 days/10 weeks later his track record stands at 3 wins, 3 draws, and 5 defeats, if I am counting correctly. 

Gombau clearly needs more time, as he is an apprentice at senior level. For the first time in his career he is not coaching a senior men's team in a minor league, or a piss ant town.

Unless the club is serious about the "big club", "top three", "bold plan", "winning games" talk they tell themselves and others, Gombau's time and the club's patience would have to run out in tandem. I thought he'd get the sack yesterday. 

19 hours ago, mack said:

Popa greatest hits:

• 4-0 Sydney FC Rd 1 2016/17
• 3-0  Melbourne Victory, R6 & 10 2016/17
• 5-2 Wellington Phoenix R19 2015/16
• 3-0 Melbourne Victory R21 2014/15
• 4-1 Melbourne Victory R1 2014/15
• 6-1 Urawa ACL 2017
• 5-1 Shanghai ACL 2017
• 4-0 Urawa ACL 2017

That's more than a handful.

Had the name of one of our CBs been Baro instead of Borda you'd be able to scratch quite a few entries of that list.

It is impressive that Gombau has managed to oversea 0:3, 0:4, 0:5 results in the short time he has been at the club. 

16 hours ago, mack said:

This team making the top 6 will probably just lose to City or Victory anyway so does it really matter?

He should get next year regardless. We don't want to turn into a SFC circus sacking coaches constantly.

We are into Smufs circus territory aleady. Big time.

At real football clubs, when a coach doesn't get results, he gets shafted.

At WSW we hired a coach who doesn't get results, and we are meant to give him "more time"? Why???

It's lunacy!

Piss him off before he can do any long lasting damage, and get a coach who can put "West" back into Wanderers instead. 

Ange Postecoglou didn't immediately turn around Brisbane Roar when he took over. He had 17 games and only won 5 of them. He had to completely destroy the Roar as they stood as a club because they were a dysfunctional basketcase. He gutted the senior members of the squad by releasing the drinking buddies foursome of Liam Reddy, Craig Moore, Charlie Miller & Bob Malcolm, lost 3 quality young players who were bought by Utretch and his striker left to join Adelaide.

Graham Arnold didn't win a trophy in his first year. He had a full pre-season, had a very expensive squad that wasn't much different in  composition to his current squad. Finished 2nd. Lost the Grand Final. Lost the FFA Cup quarter final. Then they went back to 7th the year after as Arnold cleaned up his squad that included several 30+ players and lost several players to transfers. 3rd year he came within an FFA Cup final of a domestic treble and one derby from an invincible league season. This year he's basically won the Premiership already and got the FFA Cup.

Muscat took over Ange's squad 3 rounds into 2013/14. Managed 4th place, beat SFC in Round 1 of the finals then lost to Brisbane. It's one game more than a team who finish 6th then lose get, and 2 more than the team who finish 7th. Not a big difference to me. Next year they won the Premiership & Championship, year after the FFA Cup (despite finishing 6th in the League), then 2nd place in the League & Finals.

Ernie Merrick had 4 awful seasons and 1 good season at the Nix, and now is at Newcastle and took them from last to 2nd. They won't win the Premiership, they probably won't win the Championship, but maybe they will next year.

Lederer could have appointed Guardiola, Mourinho or Klopp and they would still have needed time.

You sack a manger after he's just joined the club when the last one leaves a week before the season starts, hasn't had a pre-season, has had to deal with players sabotaging his new methods and hasn't had a chance to sign new players that aren't January transfer window offcuts, and you are a circus. If you take the same "finish outside the 6 and you're sacked" viewpoint and apply it to Ange, he goes before he's finished his first season. Arnold goes at the end of his 2nd season. Maybe Muscat gets sacked because he finished 4th & doesn't make the Grand Final. All before they actually managed to win a trophy.

Now if the reason people want Gombau out is because they don't think he can deliver, then who should be signed instead?

Seriously if he can’t get this squad to finish top 6 in this years a league

if he can’t finish above 

Mariners (a team with Andrew hoole as star player) 

phoenix 

roar 

perth 

you would keep him? 

our current squad was built by popa, who buys below average players and tries to make them good again. I want a good pre season from gombau buying his style of players. 

our midfielders are terrible. baccus is better than cejudo and roly, that's ****ing crazy. goes to show how shiity recruitment was with popa. thank god riera is decent. 

1 minute ago, bkaza said:

our current squad was built by popa, who buys below average players and tries to make them good again. I want a good pre season from gombau buying his style of players. 

our midfielders are terrible. baccus is better than cejudo and roly, that's ****ing crazy. goes to show how shiity recruitment was with popa. thank god riera is decent. 

At what point do you stop blaming Popa. 

A team with Andrew Hoole as it’s star, featuring Appiah, Golec, Blake Powell, and a 17 year old from Gosford just put in a far better performance than us last night.

Do you honestly think that he has the team playing near potential? 

Mack, 

I hear you, and it pains me to say that you are missing the point I am trying to make. 

The coaches you are mentioning are pragmatic football managers. Gombau so far has been talking, man managing, and coaching like an idiot - the signs that he actually is an idiot as far as managing a serious HAL club is concerned.

He needed to be privately and publicly reminded by chairman and ceo that he needs to ) be more pragmatic and b) win games. His response in press conferences was that he "won't change". Good for him that he sticks to his confixtions, but that's a worry from a club exec perspective.

Admittingly pure speculation on my part: had we signed Dirk Schuster instead of Gombau we'd have very different conversations. And I dare say that Foxe, with a couple of capable assistants as support, could have become our Muscat. We'll never know.

I consider Gombau a toxic mid to long term disaster. There is no promised land, in my opinion. Amor wound back Gombau's attack at all cost approach for a reason.

But like Lloydy I'd love to be proven wrong. 

44 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

At what point do you stop blaming Popa. 

 

Whem Gombau has his players in the squad.....

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

At what point do you stop blaming Popa. 

A team with Andrew Hoole as it’s star, featuring Appiah, Golec, Blake Powell, and a 17 year old from Gosford just put in a far better performance than us last night.

Do you honestly think that he has the team playing near potential? 

lol, like popavic had a team playing near potential. we nearly lost to blacktown with "marques" like jumpei.

gombau comes in, ****ks off jumpie and cornthwaite and brings in Carrusca who plays like how a pro should play. 

don't blame gombau for our performance on players popa bought, give him a season atleast. 

2 hours ago, FCB said:

We are into Smufs circus territory aleady. Big time.

At real football clubs, when a coach doesn't get results, he gets shafted.

At WSW we hired a coach who doesn't get results, and we are meant to give him "more time"? Why???

It's lunacy!

Piss him off before he can do any long lasting damage, and get a coach who can put "West" back into Wanderers instead. 

 

We will descend into Smurfs territory when we start throwing things at the coach from the sidelines, or walking out of the stadium at half time protesting against the coach. You keep calling Gombau an idiot. That seems to be a very personal attack on him, and it seem like it is getting to you far too much. I get you are frustrated. We all are. But better not to go down to the Smurfs level when you don't get things going your way all of the time. It seems we have to ask ourselves how much better than them are we when things don't go our way?

2 hours ago, mack said:

Ange Postecoglou didn't immediately turn around Brisbane Roar when he took over. He had 17 games and only won 5 of them. He had to completely destroy the Roar as they stood as a club because they were a dysfunctional basketcase. He gutted the senior members of the squad by releasing the drinking buddies foursome of Liam Reddy, Craig Moore, Charlie Miller & Bob Malcolm, lost 3 quality young players who were bought by Utretch and his striker left to join Adelaide.

Graham Arnold didn't win a trophy in his first year. He had a full pre-season, had a very expensive squad that wasn't much different in  composition to his current squad. Finished 2nd. Lost the Grand Final. Lost the FFA Cup quarter final. Then they went back to 7th the year after as Arnold cleaned up his squad that included several 30+ players and lost several players to transfers. 3rd year he came within an FFA Cup final of a domestic treble and one derby from an invincible league season. This year he's basically won the Premiership already and got the FFA Cup.

Muscat took over Ange's squad 3 rounds into 2013/14. Managed 4th place, beat SFC in Round 1 of the finals then lost to Brisbane. It's one game more than a team who finish 6th then lose get, and 2 more than the team who finish 7th. Not a big difference to me. Next year they won the Premiership & Championship, year after the FFA Cup (despite finishing 6th in the League), then 2nd place in the League & Finals.

Ernie Merrick had 4 awful seasons and 1 good season at the Nix, and now is at Newcastle and took them from last to 2nd. They won't win the Premiership, they probably won't win the Championship, but maybe they will next year.

Lederer could have appointed Guardiola, Mourinho or Klopp and they would still have needed time.

You sack a manger after he's just joined the club when the last one leaves a week before the season starts, hasn't had a pre-season, has had to deal with players sabotaging his new methods and hasn't had a chance to sign new players that aren't January transfer window offcuts, and you are a circus. If you take the same "finish outside the 6 and you're sacked" viewpoint and apply it to Ange, he goes before he's finished his first season. Arnold goes at the end of his 2nd season. Maybe Muscat gets sacked because he finished 4th & doesn't make the Grand Final. All before they actually managed to win a trophy.

Now if the reason people want Gombau out is because they don't think he can deliver, then who should be signed instead?

In all of those cases though the managers and teams in question would be showing some signs after 10 games. Muscat, Ange and Arnie there were positive signs even if not the immediate overall results.

I will ask the same question that I have asked multiple times.......

What have you seen from Gombau and the football we have played that gives you the faith you have that given time he will turn us around?