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    Honda Runs Over Wanderers


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    Keisuke Honda lead his star studded Melbourne Victory team to a dominant 4-0 win over the Western Sydney Wanderers tonight in Melbourne.

    Western Sydney Wanderers were played off the park, battered against the formidable attacking quintet of Toivonen, Antonis, Barbarouses, Baena and the marquee man Honda. Victory took the lead after 10 minutes, Toivonen isolated Tarek Elrich on the byline, the Melbourne striker found Terry Antonis with a perfect diagonal cut-back, he turned and fired a lobbed cross to the back post, finding Honda all alone, taking advantage poor positioning from Raul Llorente to fire an uncontested header past Vedran Janetovic.

    The procession began in earnest on the half-hour. Barbarouses played a simple ball into Baena, Hamill dived to intercept but missed, leaving Elrich to prevent a shot on goal, the winger paused momentarily to allow Tarek to slide off into the sunset before striking it home. The rout continued from the penalty spot, Elrich giving away a penalty by falling at the feet of Barbarouses and knocking out the Victory winger's feet with his head. Barbarouses took the penalty he won, shooting to the opposite direction of Janjetovic's dive for 3-0.

    3-0 at the break and Victory looked hardly troubled, the Wanderers were inept across the park. That did not change at the break despite the withdrawal of Abraham Majok & Jordan O'Doherty in favour of Jaushua Sotirio and Marc Tokich. What little opportunity Western Sydney created in the Victory half was inevitably snuffed out by a poor ball or the numerous offside flags from the assistant referee.

    Victory took the foot off the pedal, conserving energy while still maintaining a level of danger to the Wanderers goal when required. Honda continued to pull the strings from midfield, carving apart the Wanderers defence like a samurai sword through a Christmas turkey. The final blow came 10 minutes from time as Victory produced the goal of the game and likely the round.

    A left foot Honda ball over the top found Barbarouses yet again, the Kiwi international on for a lovely first touch cross into the penalty area. Unselfishly, Toivonen killed the ball dead with a single touch into the path of Antonis. He put his laces right through the ball, Vedran dived the wrong way, and all the Wanderers defence could do was hopelessly appeal for an offside that was neither coming or deserved.

    The 4-0 result was a bollocking that drew comparisons to the 2014 Round One 4-1 loss in Melbourne, and to more recent hammerings such as the 4-0 loss in Newcastle or the 5-0 thrashing at the hands of Sydney FC. The Wanderers remain in 8th place, there is little hope of a top 4 run let alone a trophy this year. The club haven't started a season this poorly since the disastrous 2014/15 season where they had a solitary point after 6 rounds and ended the season on just 18.

    The Wanderers face the Central Coast Mariners at the Homebush Showground next Friday the 7th of December.

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    17 minutes ago, thefairy said:

    so are we (wsw fans) patient enough to wait for babbel to form some sort of structure in our team?

    i don't think so. such an aussie mentality we have. 

    happy to have a tough few years but **** last night was embarrassing and a backwards step IMO.

    still having shitiro and buccus in our squad puts a ****en bad taste in my mouth. if we these two starting for us it just shows this whole "big club" talk is bullshit.

    i hope the next transfer window or next season babbel bring in the players he needs. if babbel is still producing the same results as of now next season. he has some explaining to do.

    My expectations with the squad we have was low this season, it you look back I think the majority here said we were no better than a 7th to 5th places side at best and MV will be top 2 and more than likely in the GF again. But that is no excuse for situations like yesterday or like the Jets last week when a few let us down

    We had **** all organisation yesterday we gave the freedom of the pitch to the best player in the whole comp. I would have been more than happy this season with a solid workman like team grinding out a few results here and there and hard to breakdown and low on excitement, a team with limited ability but gets stuck in, we are ******* miles away from anything like that. MV kicked us around yesterday and we bent over and took it without any come back, that isn't acceptable.

     

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    honestly i wouldnt mind losing everyone and restarting, there are a few gems there like vedders(made up new name) but we need a marquee who isnt terrible, we dont really have any leaders either

    also bring back bulut(......not too serious :P ) seriously though we kinda need help all over the board scoring is a major issue for us but we have always been like that

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    58 minutes ago, thefairy said:

    so are we (wsw fans) patient enough to wait for babbel to form some sort of structure in our team?

    He's been here as long as Gombau was, we should have a structure in place already.

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    Gombau still didn't have structure the day he was sacked. If he was still here now he still wouldn't have structure. 

    Babbel  .... ?

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    If we are going to compare Babbel to anyone it should be Kurz not Gombau. Gombau had heaps of A league experience, understood the differences here (should have anyway) and what was needed to win.

    Kurz, like Babbel, struggled in season one for consistency. Finishing 5th by season's end with a negative goal difference. It takes time to understand the league. Pitches, referees, lack of technical skills...

    In time Babbel may get his head around it. 

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    Was a poor performance and not having a cb and young dm's muscat targeted it. I have to say I enjoyed watching Honda and they are a good team. But yeah very hard to watch that and don't look forward to soulless 

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    4 hours ago, Unlimited said:

    Anyone watch the post match press conference?

    On the penalty: “This is the second time, with the same referee... I dunno - maybe he likes the colour blue?” - Babbel

    :rofl:

    On the question of the penalty, I thought it was rather soft, if warranted at all.  Harper, Boz and Thompson all seemed to accept the decision without question and without explanation, so perhaps someone here can tell me what I missed.  From the comfort of my lay-back lounge and with only the benefit a single replay, the incident as I saw it unfold involved a ball though to Barbs who got his body between Elrich and the ball.  Barbs then attempted to flick the ball over their heads, but in doing so, Elrich then managed to get his body between Barbs and the ball,  With an awkwardly bouncing ball, Elrich went low to head the ball away, but in doing so caught Barbs' foot  as he tried to kick at the ball from behind Elrich.  That Barbs went to ground, to my mind, had more to do with his being off balance than with anything Elrich did to him.  Happy to hear from anyone who saw something different, perhaps with the advantage of a slo-mo replay.  Just felt this was a poor call against Elrich especially after  the soft yellow he received earlier in the game.

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    Some very good discussion here. 

    OK the chop and change Popa, Gombaos, Babbel, very different styles with no overiding football philosophy from top to bottom means we are like a jenga puzzle waiting to fall over.

     

    Gombao was a coach with a very particular style that takes a while to adopt under a club management woth very little patience and players not willing to adapt.

    A similar thing is been played out now with Babbel. Certain players are digging in. Will manaegemt support Babbel?

    Look at SFC. There is a football philosophy that is consistent from the top all the way through to the juniors to the scouts to prospective youngsters looking to come on board.

    I'm not sure what the current state of play is with our juniors but a couple years back WSW youths were badly neglected. An accusatory rather than nurturing environment and Kalac very much neglecting his duties towards junior players. 

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    Sure we're **** but at least we have snazzy marketing videos.

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    Honestly i am not saying we should bring back NTS but we need someone like him in the defense

    EDIT: only just realised that ziegler might be that player

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    1 hour ago, westofcentre said:

    Some very good discussion here. 

    OK the chop and change Popa, Gombaos, Babbel, very different styles with no overiding football philosophy from top to bottom means we are like a jenga puzzle waiting to fall over.

     

    Gombao was a coach with a very particular style that takes a while to adopt under a club management woth very little patience and players not willing to adapt.

    A similar thing is been played out now with Babbel. Certain players are digging in. Will manaegemt support Babbel?

    Look at SFC. There is a football philosophy that is consistent from the top all the way through to the juniors to the scouts to prospective youngsters looking to come on board.

    I'm not sure what the current state of play is with our juniors but a couple years back WSW youths were badly neglected. An accusatory rather than nurturing environment and Kalac very much neglecting his duties towards junior players. 

    A number of players need to be moved on but is not easy to do so. In the meantime we wait for old man Bridge and Patrick 'sick note' Zeigler to come back and save us.

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    I’m not sure how people say it’s not a pen, elrich is clumsy never gets the ball and takes him out when there’s a chance to score. If that happens away for us at in the east of Sydney every forum member is calling it pen. 

    Without blaming individuals (you can blame them all really) the crux of this issue is the players can’t execute consistently what babbel wants. Whose fault is it well simply EVERYONE 

    Babbel, Gumby, Popa, players and WSW board and owners hell even half of our members... pathetic memebers share blame who barely show up. 

    Babbel doesn’t seem too concerned from his press conference he seems to accept it, I’m assuming he’s been told this season is a write off in terms of honours. It’s about a long term project. 

    Get ready for a roller coaster season I guess.

    everyone has a right to vent, no doubt but support should not waver. We might not win the league for 40 years that’s football, good bad ups down 

    I’ve long heard out long suffering Boro and Leeds fans mention this in posts over the years. 

     

    WIN OR LOSE.....

    Edited by GunnerWanderer

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    Oh sorry forgot to mention the only blameless person is Mack! 

    Only one with clean hands!

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    no I stopped us signing Zlatan because I wanted too much money to be his Australian agent.

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    Our NYL team and W-League teams out scored the senior team. Both scored one goal.

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    11 hours ago, DamnedUnited said:

    What's wrong with Kamau and Babbel hasn't a squad. 

    Kamau can run fast & that's about it.

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    16 minutes ago, MeurantsLane said:

    Kamau can run fast & that's about it.

    He’s the standard wsw winger really 

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    6 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    So we all looking forward to the derby?

    I am

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    16 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    So we all looking forward to the derby?

    Ohhh god..Wanderes get dicked 4-0, Boro get beat 3-0 , have to put up Christmas decorations and now you remind me of the derby...this is the weekend that just keeps on ******* giving...

    No doubt i will be there and at the CCM game.....only happy when i am miserable anyway...

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    14 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    I am

    I've never liked them. :pardon:

    Always been too aggro for me...too nerve-wracking and intense.

    Just saying.

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    22 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    So we all looking forward to the derby?

    I'm in....lol

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    6 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    I've never liked them. :pardon:

    Always been too aggro for me...too nerve-wracking and intense.

    Just saying.

    How would you cope with promotion and relegation and everything resting on the last game lol Been there a few times with the Boro where a goal in the last 10 min sends us up or down at our game or elsewhere...everyone with the headphones in waiting on news from elsewhere....that is tense...

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    Luckily we live in an enlightened country where the teams are franchises and we don't do something so stupid as allow some to get kicked out every year.

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    5 minutes ago, mack said:

    Luckily we live in an enlightened country where the teams are franchises and we don't do something so stupid as allow some to get kicked out every year.

    The biggest failure of the FFA if you ask me. All it has allowed for at times is a mediocre comp where teams know that regardless of how **** they are they get to go around next season. Players know they can most probably get a gig elsewhere so no incentive to improve.

    Edited by sonar

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    29 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    I've never liked them. :pardon:

    Always been too aggro for me...too nerve-wracking and intense.

    Just saying.

    We first met at one - remember? 

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    ^^^ Yes...that's true. :good:

    But even that wasn't enough to have me like them!   :D  :D

    I forget exactly why......but, despite having briefly met you for the first time.... I left that game particularly not enjoying derbies.

    It wasn't just the result - which I'm sure went against us.

    The hostility from a certain proportion of the fans (probably on both sides)  is what I dislike most.

    From memory,  some in Blue that night were really aggro and gloatly was we left the stadium. I remember it being very unpleasant. :(

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    1 hour ago, wendybr said:

    I've never liked them. :pardon:

    Always been too aggro for me...too nerve-wracking and intense.

    Just saying.

    its funny it used to be like that for me, now because we are **** it doesnt bother me at all i am very relaxed about them but back when we actually could win it was like that for me

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    For me the real problem is the lack of mental fortitude, particularly against our bogey sides: Victory and Sydney. There’s no toughness or stamina to compete with them, we (let ourselves) get intimidated far too easily and we don’t appear to have a winning mentality in general. We have a good team, we’re just very mentally weak and everyone else knows it.

    There are no particular culprits with this as I believe it’s been an issue for a good 2-3 seasons now, with multiple personnel coming and going. There isn’t a specific person to blame, though someone must be the catalyst for it to improve. 

    I have a working relationship with someone involved at Sydney and every person in that club from the CEO to the receptionist who sits at their front desk honestly believe that they are the ******* bees knees of a club and will win every game they play. I’m sick of hearing it but you know what, it’s true and it works. 

    I can’t say we have that and we haven’t for some time now. It’s sad to say that because for our first 2-3 years of existence they didn’t come much tougher than WSW.

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    At the moment we are like a couple whose marriage is failing horribly but we think moving to a flash new house will fix everything.

    SPOILER: it won't.

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