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    The Wanderers inability to score reared it's ugly head again as they were kept scoreless despite an early red card to Victory defender Sam Gallagher.

     

     

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    An own goal to Michael Beauchamp and a counter-attack finished off by Archie Thompson consigned the Wanderers to their second straight home defeat.

     

    Tony Popovic left Dino Kresinger in the starting line-up, Shannon Cole was given a start as Popovic shuffled his squad to accommodate the loss of Hersi. The Wanderers started well through D'Apuzzo. Shinji Ono attempted an audacious lob from half-way after spotting Victory keeper Nathan Coe off his line.

     

    The 15th minute set the scene for the match to come. Shinji Ono climbed above the Victory midfield to head a flick-on over the defensive line of Melbourne. Dino Kresinger took advantage of a stumble by Sam Gallagher to take control of the ball. Gallagher dragged down the Wanderers target man and Ben Williams showed the starting debutante a straight red card for denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity. The foul occurred just outside the penalty box and the Wanderers were unable to take advantage of the situation from the set piece.

     

    Mark Bridge had the best of the Wanderers early chances when Aaron Mooy dinked a cross to the back post. Bridge ran onto the ball but from the tight but point blank range Nathan Coe was able to tip the ball over the bar. With the Wanderers pressing and creating chances Ange Postecoglu sacrificed starlet Andrew Nabbout to bring on Jonathan Bru to shore up the Victory defense.

     

    On the stroke of half time disaster struck for Western Sydney. Melbourne spread the ball wide to Guilherme Finkler, who took on Shinji Ono, got around him and drove a cross low into the box. Wanderers captain Michael Beauchamp stuck out a boot, deflecting the ball past the stranded Ante Covic and into his own net. The first ever Wanderers own goal and meant the Wanderers went into the break a goal down despite being a man up.

     

    Iacopo La Rocca was substituted for Jason Trifiro, Popovic replacing his holding defensive midfield with Trifiro who has a better range of passing and is better going forward. Cole had the first chance of the 2nd half when he attempted a curling side footed shot from outside the area. He placed the shot well going for the top corner but the ball didn't drop enough and hit the top of the net after going over the bar.

     

     

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    On 60 minutes the Wanderers task became that much harder. Michael Beauchamp, having one of the worst games in his entire career, picked up a pass from Trifiro. With all but Topor-Stanley and Covic behind him the Wanderers Captain dribbled 10 yards into the Victory half before he attempted a pass out to Shannon Cole. The pass was extremely poor, Beauchamp did not spot Marco Rojas drifting infield to make the interception. Rojas blocked the ball to a team-mate, who returned the ball instantly, setting the Kiwi flier into the Wanderers half. Topor-Stanley came across in cover defence. With Archie Thompson looming large on the opposite side of the pitch Topor-Stanley was only able to deflect the pass. It fell kindly to Thompson, Covic had come out for the ball but was beaten to it and Thompson finished through the legs of the keeper to put his side 2-0 up.

     

    Mere minutes later Western Sydney committed heavy numbers up forward again and were almost punished with a third. This time it was Topor-Stanley who made the error and only a poor pass from Thompson to Rojas dulled the attack. At this point the Wanderers attack devolved into the same long shots and aimless crosses from deep areas. Despite moving to a 4-4-2 formation chances were few and far between, a heavy volley by Trifiro flashed wide in the 73rd minute. Mooy, D'Apuzzo, Polenz and Bridge all had similar efforts with no result.

     

    The final action of the game served as a microcosm for Western Sydney's performance on the night. Dino Kresinger escaped from the tight marking of the Victory defence to get on the end of a deep cross. He rose above and won the ball cleanly, only to miss the target completely.

     

    Analysis. Yet again Dino Kresinger hurt the team rather than helping it. This has gone on long enough. Dino needs to be booted out of the squad and sent to the youth team until he figures out how to score. You could say he won the red card, but it was lucky because he not only clipped the Victory player to create the chance, but a fast player would have just sprinted past and gone one on one with the keeper. Dino had only 3 shots, and got none of them on target. The rest of the team were just as poor with their shooting. Non-stop long shots, blasting from distance but failing to work the keeper, 24 shots for only 6 on target is a pitiful amount. We can't keep carrying a target man who can't head the ball on target even on free headers, can't hold the ball up properly, is too slow to make effective runs behind the last line of defence and can't shoot. His end product is not up to A-League level and it is punishing the team. Our midfield is one of the best in the leagues, and we need a striker who can take advantage of that.

     

    My suggestion is get Kubi on. Get him up front and centre. This would stop the pointless long balls and aimless diagonal crosses, and would mean we could start playing to get in behind the other teams. Kubi scored in the recent Youth League fixture against the AIS and perhaps it is time to unleash speed instead of height. Secondly, Popovic and the coaching stuff must delve into the transfer market to find another striker. Thanks to Joint A-League Strategic Committee (JALSC) the club has room to bring in a foreign player.

     

    Defensively the red card to Victory pulled the Wanderers out of their defensive shape. This hurt them for the second goal, a lightning counter started when Beauchamp lost possession deep inside the Victory half. They almost conceded again due to the exact same error by Topor-Stanley. There was no way either central defender would have been pulled that deep with 11 men on the pitch for Victory and I doubt it was part of Popovic's plan. The first goal came from a corner not cleared effectively and caused Shinji Ono to have to try and defend inside the Wanderers penalty box. There were only 2 Victory players up for that attack after the corner was cleared, but none of the 8 Wanderers defenders were in position to defend the resulting cross. Topor-Stanley for example was standing on the penalty box marking no-one.

     

    The team need to improve markedly with their end product and with their defensive concentration. This was not an acceptable loss and we were completely outplayed by a team with less men on the field. There are no excuses and the players will demand better of them self for their next match.

     

    The Wanderers next match is against Wellington at Westpac Stadium on Sunday the 2nd of December at 2:30pm Eastern Daylight Savings Time.


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    i gotta say none of the core RBB guys booed Dino, i know them well enough from how they acted in previous matches that they wouldnt do that, also we are doing better at stopping and drowing out those chants with some of us yelling at them to shut up, the people with the whistles using them to try to stop the chants though that is for a different thread

     

    this is the first time in the history of the wanderers that we were outplayed, that is something to be proud of

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    Our usual problems bit us last night. I mean...

    • Ineffective throw ins - We never seem have anyone clear to throw to. We take very little advantage from these opportunities.
    • No running the line - We saw that big time when MV parked the bus. We need to cut in behind the defence to create chances. Whip ins from the wing can work, but not when the defence knows you'll try that every time.
    • Mooy holding the ball - I love this guy, but something he does is hold the ball for far too long while red & black shirts are standing on the defensive line like Lowe's dummies. Pop it over or shoot it through already.
    • Shots from outside the box - Ban them, please.

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    For a positive I thought Polenz had a great game up and down the line all night, he gave his all.

     

    10 men holding out over 11 is becoming a constant theme each week is this league... I thought the main problem was the lack of quick passing in the final third too many times we ended up going backwards. It's up to the coach to change things mid game to come up with a plan to outsmart the two lines of four men 'walls' you end up facing against playing a team with a man down - like wswgeorge mentioned the system perhaps could have changed.

     

    My two cents on the Dino man - as i said last night popa selects him so if he's not up to scratch in people's eyes, perhaps bagging the player isn't the smartest thing. Also there was a moment in the game last night I think around the 80th minute when he tracked all the way back and made a wonderful challenge to gain possession - it was more about firing up the team. I am not saying this forgives all, but I loved the fact he did it. He wanted to win as much as anyone.

     

    What I will say about him is he knows he isn't going to get in behind the last defender due to foot speed, but it would be good if he tried once and a while thus mixing up our attacking play. Right now if I was an opposition coach I would be doing exactly what Ange did, shut the space on Mooy and Ono and force someone else to beat you, it's obvious we are relying on them to create. Dino is never going to score when Hersi, Bridge, Cole or whoever are crossing in because every time he is the only in the box and he gets squeezed by the two central men, he isn't agile enough to create space for himself.

     

    We all know scoring goals is out issue, this is the next step it popa's short term coaching evolution now, to show he is up to the challenge of getting the best of what he has to start getting the ball in the net. If he can't by the Sydney derby, we really should be looking at bringing in someone in the Jan xfer market.

     

    That was a good post Gunner. Lets hope Popa goes searching for a striker in Jan transfer window we desperately need one.

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    We missed Hersi last night thats for sure. He gives us a bit of pace, movement and skill on the right flank. I also think that where missing Poljak as the link between Mooy, Ono and our back line. He cleans up a lot of the loose balls and covers well for Mooy and our centre backs if need be. Anyone know how long his out for? Most of all is the lack off pace up front, Kresinger tries hard but is completely ineffective and although Bridge has scored twice for us but he has missed a good half a dozen sitters as well or just wastes good opportunities. Gibbs for Kresinger and Minnecon for Bridge and Kubi on the bench. We won't score hardly any goals with our current front line.

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    We lack real wingers and missed Hersi. Cole and Bridge were constantly cutting inside and couldn't find Dino with any crosses.

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    The last thing that frustrates me is people saying that Dino is putting in a lot of effort. No one is questioning the guys heart and the effort he is giving to the team. But I am sorry but effort just isn't enough. If it was, myself along with a lot of others here on the forum could be out there running on the field and giving our all for the team. Unfortunately that doesn't take into account the fact that we would not be up to the standard of the A-Leauge.

     

    I am going to assume this quote was directed at my earlier post. I agree that effort is not enough and he needs to start to producing. But thats not my call to make. Thats Popa's he is the coach, but while we have 11 players out on the field I will be supporting them no matter what and that includes Dino. Do I think Dino is up to the A league standard, no I do not. Do I think we should start players like Gibbs or Kubi? Yes I do. Why the f*ck is Dino getting booed? I dont understand this mentality of supporters booing a player. Thats what frustrates me as a supporter of our team. I remember when Terry McFlynn was getting booed by Sydney FC fans. While we were grinning with delight seeing the Sydney fans turning on one of their own, we end up doing the same thing. I hoped as a club we are better than that. STOP FU*KING BOOING DINO.

     

    Hey I totally agree. I support Popa and the decisions he makes. I also support the 11 players he sends out, Dino included. As much as I feel we have a few players who should be starting in front of him and he does frustrate me, I will never ever boo one of our players. The fans that were booing last night aren't real Wanderers fans. They are the same fans that start 'your a wanker' chant, like the one directed at Archie last night.

     

    And i agree, Victory were excellent last night and their tactics and play once down to 10 men really frustrated our team and we couldn't find the answers to break them down. Credit where credit is due. And well done to their travelling support. Hopefully we can have similar numbers when we head down to Melbourne.

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    this is the first time in the history of the wanderers that we were outplayed, that is something to be proud of

     

    +1

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    Correct and that's what makes this loss hard to take. With all other losses we were the better team, either marginally or by a long way. Not withstanding problems in attack, we stood up and were better. Last night we may have had more possession but we were not the better team. We were out thought and lacked creativity.

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    I am tempted to already say that Melbourne Victory will win the league this year. It is the Postecoglou factor coming into play. They pressed us with 10 men, and we had no idea how to go forward. They played their men extremely wide on the flanks, and looked dangerous every time. With Thompson, Nabbout and Rojas, they are lethal going forward.

     

    They reminded a bit of the Brisbane Roar two seasons ago. If they keep their team fit, they will really give it a few teams this year. Popa was the apprentice tonight. Postecoglou was the master. Next Socceroos coach for me.

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    Firstly everybody is going to be talking about Dino after tonight. I thought he looked a useless signing after the first game, but I felt tonight that he played his role quite effectively. At one point in the first half, Dino peeled off to the left to make a run for Ono, and Popa yelled out "Dino, stay in the middle!". He is being instructed to act as the focal pivot in the middle, to carry the ball, and distribute back to the AMC, AML or AMR in the initial 4-2-3-1 (433) we always start with.

     

    Back to Kresinger, so many people were screaming "take him off" for the sake of bagging the man without realising the role he was playing. I'm not Haliti's biggest fan, but having him on the bench allows for a more attacking impetus, same with either Kubi or Tahj. Our only attacking move was Gibbs.

     

    Polenz came off because he ran to the bench, asked for a Gatorade and was tired. I couldn't work out why he changed La Rocca for Trifiro at HT. LR didn't do anything noticeably wrong, perhaps the reasoning was to get more pace and endeavour in the centre of the field.

     

    Which brings me to the topic Mooy. Unfortunately Mooy, like a few others, was off tonight. We were dominated in the centre of the field by Bru and Finkler, especially Finkler.

    NTS resorted to a few useless long balls tonight, and D'appuzzo didn't have the best of times out there.

     

     

    I'm putting our performance just down to "you can't win them all".

     

    Hey George,

     

    Interesting to read that you believe Dino is being criticized in part because people dont understand his role?? (paraphrasing I am)

    This is exactly what i thought and as per my earlier post I have held off in my judgment of him. But last night we saw the contination of poor form and i will tell you why.

     

    Dino's runs are all the same. Straight runs. Why??? Lack of pace! Not bent or held up. As a #9 I get why he is trying to be the central point, but in a 4-2-3-1 the #9 must drop deeper to allow a slower more patient build up. In that area I too think he does fine. But we are only in the second 3rd of the field here. So yes he drops in and lays off.

    My big issue is his final 3rd. Where he has to be smarter, faster and better than the defenders and unfortunatly he is a one trick pony. For a big guy he isnt dominant in the air either and in many games has had the chance to show this in the penalty box and always fails.

     

    IMO Dino's time is up. Back to popa. I think his natural coaching philosophy is to be reserved. That showed on his bench tonight.

     

    The Larocca sub for Triforo was strange and I agree with you on that. It slowd everything down and I think popa moved Mooy from his normal position to wide of the 3 and it certainly did not work. Hence why he was out of position. I will have to watch the replay to see positional stuff biut Triforos touches and body shape was always negative and forced us back each time.

     

    Finally playing 4-2-3-1 with Cole and Bridge as the wide men just doesnt work, especially with Dino as #9 and Ono always playing so high as a #10. Hopefully Poljak will be back next week. The guy is class.

     

    And George, will you be joining big Chief on 10th Feb for pre season trials v my Mt Druitt Rangers?? LOL.

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    Yep dissapointing result, but I think if you asked everyone before the season if they'd be happy with being in 6th position after round 8, with a win against the roar and a not being outplayed in any game (MV aside) we'd have all taken it. Oh and also above Sydney as well. :xbop:

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    Was amazing to hear the RBB live for the first time last night. You guys are so epic.

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    Firstly everybody is going to be talking about Dino after tonight. I thought he looked a useless signing after the first game, but I felt tonight that he played his role quite effectively. At one point in the first half, Dino peeled off to the left to make a run for Ono, and Popa yelled out "Dino, stay in the middle!". He is being instructed to act as the focal pivot in the middle, to carry the ball, and distribute back to the AMC, AML or AMR in the initial 4-2-3-1 (433) we always start with.

     

    Back to Kresinger, so many people were screaming "take him off" for the sake of bagging the man without realising the role he was playing. I'm not Haliti's biggest fan, but having him on the bench allows for a more attacking impetus, same with either Kubi or Tahj. Our only attacking move was Gibbs.

     

    Polenz came off because he ran to the bench, asked for a Gatorade and was tired. I couldn't work out why he changed La Rocca for Trifiro at HT. LR didn't do anything noticeably wrong, perhaps the reasoning was to get more pace and endeavour in the centre of the field.

     

    Which brings me to the topic Mooy. Unfortunately Mooy, like a few others, was off tonight. We were dominated in the centre of the field by Bru and Finkler, especially Finkler.

    NTS resorted to a few useless long balls tonight, and D'appuzzo didn't have the best of times out there.

     

     

    I'm putting our performance just down to "you can't win them all".

     

    Hey George,

     

    Interesting to read that you believe Dino is being criticized in part because people dont understand his role?? (paraphrasing I am)

    This is exactly what i thought and as per my earlier post I have held off in my judgment of him. But last night we saw the contination of poor form and i will tell you why.

     

    Dino's runs are all the same. Straight runs. Why??? Lack of pace! Not bent or held up. As a #9 I get why he is trying to be the central point, but in a 4-2-3-1 the #9 must drop deeper to allow a slower more patient build up. In that area I too think he does fine. But we are only in the second 3rd of the field here. So yes he drops in and lays off.

    My big issue is his final 3rd. Where he has to be smarter, faster and better than the defenders and unfortunatly he is a one trick pony. For a big guy he isnt dominant in the air either and in many games has had the chance to show this in the penalty box and always fails.

     

    IMO Dino's time is up. Back to popa. I think his natural coaching philosophy is to be reserved. That showed on his bench tonight.

     

    The Larocca sub for Triforo was strange and I agree with you on that. It slowd everything down and I think popa moved Mooy from his normal position to wide of the 3 and it certainly did not work. Hence why he was out of position. I will have to watch the replay to see positional stuff biut Triforos touches and body shape was always negative and forced us back each time.

     

    Finally playing 4-2-3-1 with Cole and Bridge as the wide men just doesnt work, especially with Dino as #9 and Ono always playing so high as a #10. Hopefully Poljak will be back next week. The guy is class.

     

    And George, will you be joining big Chief on 10th Feb for pre season trials v my Mt Druitt Rangers?? LOL.

     

    I'm head of women's football at Bankstown, get Taryn to send over an email if she is interested in organising a trial, we have 1 weekend open in February if she's keen. Could be that weekend, but it's my TD's call.

     

    As for your comment's re Dino I actually agree with the general sentiment. I did prefix my statement with "I think he's a useless signing", and his performances at best have been barely adequate. It's Popa's call whether he persists with him or plays Gibbs up front. I'd prefer Gibbs personally, but if it's Kresinger he still has my full support.

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    I shouldn't be surprised, but honestly the RBB just go on all game. When victory scored, they didn't go silent and then pick up again, they just continually kept singing. Excellent stuff. Makes me proud knowing we have a legit fan base already. Blows my mind to think it's just going to get better and better and better

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    i thought the RBB was pretty awesome last night, rarely quiet which was great being considering we were 2 down , the guys were singing like they were 2 up.

    well done ladies and gents,

     

     

    and as for the "archie is a wanker" chant, i thought it was great.

    and based on fact.

     

     

    pure fact.

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    Was amazing to hear the RBB live for the first time last night. You guys are so epic.

     

    Cheers for that. You guys were pretty decent as well. Can't wait for the away game.

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    Victory fans were the first set of away fans I could actually hear occasionally. Kudos to you guys.

     

    Good turnout too considering the distance

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    Guys, at half time the whole RBB sat down, is that usually the case?

     

    I've been to 3 home games and we have always kept singing, but when the half time whistle went all our bays went down WTF even the Victory supports were on their feet singing....

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    Dino can get all the games all he wants in the Youth Team.

     

    Exactly. Since when does any one player, esspecialy an un-proven one come before the club itself.

     

    I know im a broken record, but its evidence in itself that when we play with Gibbs up front the team gels and performs, and when Dino plays were disjointed in the final third, and revert to predictable crosses that he hardly gets himself in a position for. This is a result of little to no movement from him, he dosnt even leave the last man.

     

     

     

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    Guys, at half time the whole RBB sat down, is that usually the case?

     

    I've been to 3 home games and we have always kept singing, but when the half time whistle went all our bays went down WTF even the Victory supports were on their feet singing....

     

    Most games the RBB go for a beer and a piss at half time. Victory kept going for maybe a minute then they stopped and looked like they went the beer/piss route as well.

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    Guys, at half time the whole RBB sat down, is that usually the case?

     

    I've been to 3 home games and we have always kept singing, but when the half time whistle went all our bays went down WTF even the Victory supports were on their feet singing....

     

    Yes. It's perfectly normal.

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    Guys, at half time the whole RBB sat down, is that usually the case?

     

    I've been to 3 home games and we have always kept singing, but when the half time whistle went all our bays went down WTF even the Victory supports were on their feet singing....

     

    No they weren't. 100%. Some bloke was yelling that we should all stand up and keep singing cos Melbourne were and I looked over and they were either sitting down or walking off for a piss.....

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    The whole western grand stand in bays 6,7 and 8 get your grand dad off Popa get your brother off get your cousin off Popa and when he replaced polenz instead of Dino they where all Booing even the last replacement after that one they where booing as they all wanted Dino off....

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    The whole western grand stand in bays 6,7 and 8 get your grand dad off Popa get your brother off get your cousin off Popa and when he replaced polenz instead of Dino they where all Booing even the last replacement after that one they where booing as they all wanted Dino off....

     

    lol at people referring to Dino as Popa's granddad.

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    Guys, at half time the whole RBB sat down, is that usually the case?

     

    I've been to 3 home games and we have always kept singing, but when the half time whistle went all our bays went down WTF even the Victory supports were on their feet singing....

     

    No they weren't. 100%. Some bloke was yelling that we should all stand up and keep singing cos Melbourne were and I looked over and they were either sitting down or walking off for a piss.....

     

    I'm saying we should not stop singing and defiantly not sit down

     

    So if they aren't singing we shouldn't either? If they go for a piss so do we?

     

    There was enough ppl there to keep chanting, i guess what makes it worse 2-0 at home to 10men half time whistle goes and the place becomes a library

     

    Image the half time whistle went and they stopped chanting and we keep chanting how good would that sound across the stadium and what message would that send to their supporters

     

    Anyway...

     

     

     

     

     

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    We were only 1-0 down at halftime, Carthritis.

     

    Anyway I won't comment on what happens in the bays during that time as it's when I go for a smoke & beer run.

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